multiple procs not working?

[Giland]

<DIV>Found this in the abilities forum.</DIV> <DIV>Can anyone else confirm or refute this?</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=52919" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=52919</A></DIV> <DIV>Basically he says, if you have multiple spell based procs, only 1 will actually work.</DIV>

[Alluin]

Made a post on this. <div></div>

[Alinon]

<P>I can confirm that as a 25 Paladin with <FONT size=2><U>Blessed Weapon</U>, </FONT><A href="http://eq2.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=249" target=_new><FONT color=#ffffff size=2>Glorious Weapon</FONT></A> and the other Trait self proc spell they do not stack...All I ever see is the blessed weapon proc nothing else.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><FONT size=2> </FONT></P>

[Jgok]

<STRONG></STRONG>On my 48 Conjuror, I can confirm that multiple procs are indeed working. I have personally seen a Guardian proc 4 effects on a pull with an arrow, Short Sword of the Ykesha, Polished Granite Tomohawk, Infernus Seed, and some disease/poison proc from a Warlock. I have also seen both the Wizard and Conjuror proc spells activate on the same hit. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As my 28 Paladin, I have Glorious Weapon up constantly, and I still collect large stacks of Penitent Essences.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, 2 spells cast by me will both proc... Infernus Seed and Vexation (pet buff) can both be procced by my pet.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Jgok on <span class=date_text>06-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:44 PM</span>

[Alinon]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jgok wrote:<BR> <STRONG></STRONG>On my 48 Conjuror, I can confirm that multiple procs are indeed working. I have personally seen a Guardian proc 4 effects on a pull with an arrow, Short Sword of the Ykesha, Polished Granite Tomohawk, Infernus Seed, and some disease/poison proc from a Warlock. I have also seen both the Wizard and Conjuror proc spells activate on the same hit. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As my 28 Paladin, I have Glorious Weapon up constantly, and I still collect large stacks of Penitent Essences.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, 2 spells cast by me will both proc... Infernus Seed and Vexation (pet buff) can both be procced by my pet.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Jgok on <SPAN class=date_text>06-16-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:44 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What does that have to do with Paladin multiple procs?</DIV>

[Jgok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alinon79 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>What does that have to do with Paladin multiple procs?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'll try to be a little more clear.</P> <P>First, this is copied from the linked post in the initial thread (which was actually about Shadowknight procs)...</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>VonSteinan wrote:</P> <DIV>I've been playing my 27 SK recently, and suddenly realized the Grim Harbinger (adept 1, 5% proc chance for Disease damage) was never going off. </DIV> <DIV>Sooo... I went to do some testing.  Through 30 fights it never once went off.</DIV> <DIV>My Berriks sword of thunder?? Yep, worked, and I was getting Essences from Tainted Sacrament.</DIV> <DIV>Swapped Weapons to Skullcrusher... same symptoms... rethrew Grim... same... dropped Grim and put up Holy Wep... no Holy wep proc...</DIV> <DIV>Then I went into battle with no Tainted Sacrament... and all the sudden it started working.</DIV> <DIV>Then I got to thinking... I also have a Ward which proc's a small damage to opponent, and a heal to me... and I NEVER see it work when I have other Proc's going...</DIV> <DIV>Im wondering.... if one Proc goes off, does it continue to check for the others... and if the first proc does NOT go off, does it use the same random number to check the rest of the proc's???</DIV> <DIV>Cause it looks like only one of my proc's at any one time are actually working.... which for an SK is reallllyyy bad.</DIV> <DIV>Anyone else seeing this?</DIV> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Basically, he's saying that, as a Shadowknight, only one self-cast spell with a proc effect will function at one time for him, as a Shadowknight. As a Paladin, we have spells with similar effects, namely Penitent Sacrament and Blessed/Glorious Weapon. My post specifically noted that while Glorious Weapon is up, I can still collect Penitent Essences, so Paladin spells with procs do not have the same problem as Shadowknight procs.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jgok wrote:<BR> <DIV>As my 28 Paladin, I have Glorious Weapon up constantly, and I still collect large stacks of Penitent Essences.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The rest of my post came in two parts, the first illustrating that procs from multiple sources will stack with each other...</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jgok wrote:<BR> On my 48 Conjuror, I can confirm that multiple procs are indeed working. I have personally seen a Guardian proc 4 effects on a pull with an arrow, Short Sword of the Ykesha, Polished Granite Tomohawk, Infernus Seed, and some disease/poison proc from a Warlock. I have also seen both the Wizard and Conjuror proc spells activate on the same hit. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The last sentence illustrates that two procs from the same caster will indeed work...</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jgok wrote:<BR>Also, 2 spells cast by me will both proc... Infernus Seed and Vexation (pet buff) can both be procced by my pet. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The combined evidence presented there would seem to indicate that the Shadowknight problem with multiple procs is indeed a problem and not an intentional mechanic. I illustrated that a Paladin's proc effects will stack (except Blessed with Glorious, which is obviously intended). I also illustrated that proc effects from multiple sources (2 items, 1 Warlock spell, and 1 Conjuror spell). I then closed by showing another example of 2 proc effects from a single caster that stacked.</P> <P>While only one line of my original post applied specifically to Paladins, I believe the entire post was very germane to the discussion at hand... That discussion being whether multiple proc spells are correctly stacking with each other.</P>

[Moonreft]

blessed weapon also has nothing to do with essences, sacrament does and its a chance on being hit. Nothing to do with offence............ I wouldnt trust him as a tank lol

[Jgok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moonreft wrote:<BR>blessed weapon also has nothing to do with essences, sacrament does and its a chance on being hit. Nothing to do with offence............ I wouldnt trust him as a tank lol <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Did you actually read the linked thread?</P> <P>Translating Shadowknight spells to Paladin Spells...</P> <P>Grim Harbinger = Glorious Weapon</P> <P>Tainted Sacrament = Blessed Sacrament</P> <P>When he goes into combat with Tainted Sacrament and Grim Harbinger both up and running, Grim Harbinger does not proc the extra disease damage.<STRONG> </STRONG>In the same situation as a Paladin, with Glorious Weapon and Sacrament both up and running, I will proc Glorious Weapon and still collect essences. That is the core essence of what I was saying. The original poster on the linked thread posed a question, which was echoed by the OP on this thread, which I then answered with my own experiences.</P> <P>What it boils down to? The Shadowknight versions of Weapon and Sacrament appear to be bugged, while ours are not.</P> <P>Honestly, I didn't think I worded my original post that badly.</P> <P>I'm not even going to comment on the part about not trusting me as a tank.</P>

[Phatt]

Might I just point out that what you are calling Penitent Sacrament, you actually mean Blessing of the Pentinent. The former spell is the actual heal, whereas the latter is the spell that is always running and generating Penitent Essences. <div></div>

[Jgok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Phattie wrote:<BR>Might I just point out that what you are calling Penitent Sacrament, you actually mean Blessing of the Pentinent. The former spell is the actual heal, whereas the latter is the spell that is always running and generating Penitent Essences.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Correction noted... I'm not in front of my computer, but I was iffy on the name of the spell. The original intent of the post still stands, of course.

[Alinon]

Ok point taken Jgok. I was under the impression that the SK spells in question were Damage procs like our line of self only dmg procs. What I was trying to say is that Paladins can not have multiple dmg procs working at the same time...now I can see how this would be so for Blessed Weapon being upgraded by Glorious Weapon but my concern is with our lvl 20 trait for self procs. I forget the name off hand but in this form I think they should stack considering it is a special trait compared to just another spell....at the very least there should be a comment about the inability to stack in the description so as not to waste a trait choice on it. I will /bug until I get some kind of answer from the devs. :smileymad: <p>Message Edited by Alinon79 on <span class=date_text>06-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:54 AM</span>

[Alinon]

bumperu!