High Elf (Koada'Dal) Paladin Thread

[Rochir]

<DIV>I decided to try starting a thread for the discussion of Paladin, specificallyl High Elf (Koada'Dal) paladin issues.  High Elf Paladins have unique strengths and weaknesses.  Our most obvious weaknesses are strength and stamina.  Our strengths are wisdom, intelligence and agility.  The Koada'Dal start out as very weak fighters but can become very strong Paladins with the right attribute and racial upgrade choices.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have added both strength and stamina and at level 20, my character started to come into his own as a Paladin.  My high wisdom makes me a very good healer.  My high intelligence makes me a strong spellcaster and my agility increases my defensive abilities.  The racial traits I have added are defense and parry, stamina? and agility.   have focused primarily on skill upgrades rather than expensive rare items with the exception of a good rare shield and weapon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The performance of my Koada'Dal Paladin has been quite impressive.   He can tank as well or better than any other race Paladin and his avoidance is over 61% at lvl 35.   His healing and spellcasting abilities are very good and strength and stamina are no longer a problem after a few uprades.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please post your thoughts on your High Elf Paladin here.  Dark Elf (Tier'Dal) Paladins have virtually the same racial profile as do High Elf Paladins so dicussion of them here would be appropriate also.</DIV> <P>One thing I do not like about High Elves is that silly looking High Elf male forum icon :smileymad:</P><p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>05-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:10 PM</span>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

Whats hilarious is your EQ2 players link in your sig goes to a HUMAN paladin. rofl

[Renn]

More hilarious is the choice to turn an ebon cluster into a longsword over armor.. when a cedar club could be had for pocket change with the same damage rating. <div></div>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR>Whats hilarious is your EQ2 players link in your sig goes to a HUMAN paladin. rofl <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sig fixed, thanks for the tip.   I am very pleased with my Koada'Dal Paladin so far.   His high wisdom makes him a very good healer, high(er) intelligence a good spellcaster and high agility gives him good avoidance and defense.  Low strength and vitality have been remedied by traits, attributes and items.   Low resistances is still a bit of a problem but hopefully can be remedied through items.

[Renn]

Are you under the impression that your Wisdom helps you heal better? <div></div>

[Timth]

<DIV>starting at lvl 20, what do you think are the best training advancements, traits, etc. for a high elf paladin.  given the following lvl 20 training options, which, in your opinion, would be the best choice and why?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <LI>Kasine's Sanctified Prayer - An advanced form of Blessed Weapon. As a bonus to Blessed Weapon it allows  the divine damage effect to occur more frequently.</LI> <LI>Chesgard's Divine Portent - An advanced form of Righteous Anger. As a bonus to Righteous Anger it increases hate with the crusader.</LI> <LI>Arem's Enlightened Judgement - An advanced form of Power Cleave. As a bonus to Power Cleave it heals the paladin on a successful hit.</LI> <LI>Herion's Protective Devotion - An advanced form of Ancient Pledge. As a bonus to Ancient Pledge it allows the paladin to block attacks more frequently.</LI> <UL></UL>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Timthee wrote:<BR> <DIV>starting at lvl 20, what do you think are the best training advancements, traits, etc. for a high elf paladin.  given the following lvl 20 training options, which, in your opinion, would be the best choice and why?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <LI>Kasine's Sanctified Prayer - An advanced form of Blessed Weapon. As a bonus to Blessed Weapon it allows  the divine damage effect to occur more frequently.</LI> <LI>Chesgard's Divine Portent - An advanced form of Righteous Anger. As a bonus to Righteous Anger it increases hate with the crusader.</LI> <LI>Arem's Enlightened Judgement - An advanced form of Power Cleave. As a bonus to Power Cleave it heals the paladin on a successful hit.</LI> <LI>Herion's Protective Devotion - An advanced form of Ancient Pledge. As a bonus to Ancient Pledge it allows the paladin to block attacks more frequently.</LI> <UL></UL><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I dont think those choices have that much effect on your character.  However, your choice of racial traits does have an effect on your character.   I dont know where to find a list of them?

[SanJ]

<P>I used my first ebon cluster for a pristine imbued ebon longsword--no regrets.  I've often pondered having another piece of ebon armor too go with my chest/legs, but for solo play the longsword is a nice item.  There are several fabled and legendary pieces of gear on par to the one-hander and even better, but I wouldn't blanket statement it as a bad choice.  If you examine a lot of tier 5 players many have long sinced replaced the BP, shoulders, leggings, gloves, helmet, etc. that was orginally fulginate and even ebon.  Of course, the same number equip weapons that blow away ebon stats <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I couldn't list the number of times the sword proc has bailed me out during solo play where I was in the red and the mob was likewise in the red where the sword proc'd and took care of business.  Likewise, I enjoy playing a Paladin that equips a longsword.  I haven't seen too many one-handed swords that come close to ebon sans the prismatic.  Even Wyrmsteel longswords don't compare to the ebon proc although they are very nice against dragons <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>It would be a shame to see every Paladin with the identical equipment from head to toe just because of flavor-of-the-day stats.  If WIS becomes critical after the combat revamp, many Paladins will address issues with a lot of gear including dolls, rings, some armor/shields and even trait options.</P> <P>Thanks,<BR>Kalen</P>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SanJun wrote:<BR> <P>I used my first ebon cluster for a pristine imbued ebon longsword--no regrets.  I've often pondered having another piece of ebon armor too go with my chest/legs, but for solo play the longsword is a nice item.  There are several fabled and legendary pieces of gear on par to the one-hander and even better, but I wouldn't blanket statement it as a bad choice.  If you examine a lot of tier 5 players many have long sinced replaced the BP, shoulders, leggings, gloves, helmet, etc. that was orginally fulginate and even ebon.  Of course, the same number equip weapons that blow away ebon stats <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I couldn't list the number of times the sword proc has bailed me out during solo play where I was in the red and the mob was likewise in the red where the sword proc'd and took care of business.  Likewise, I enjoy playing a Paladin that equips a longsword.  I haven't seen too many one-handed swords that come close to ebon sans the prismatic.  Even Wyrmsteel longswords don't compare to the ebon proc although they are very nice against dragons <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>It would be a shame to see every Paladin with the identical equipment from head to toe just because of flavor-of-the-day stats.  If WIS becomes critical after the combat revamp, many Paladins will address issues with a lot of gear including dolls, rings, some armor/shields and even trait options.</P> <P>Thanks,<BR>Kalen</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>/agreed</P> <P><BR>There is a simple reason for using a sword vs a club.  Club is crushing, sword is slashing.  Paladins should keep both crushing and slashing maxed.</P> <P>By far the most important upgrades for Paladins are not rare items but Adept III (rare) skills.  Adept III skills double, triple or more the effectiveness of Paladin starter skills.  Hit points, power, damage, mitigation, avoidance, everything but resists and some stats can be boosted through skill upgrades.  Damage in particular can be boosted far more by adept iii skills than by rare weapons.  The primary benefit of rare weapons is there are few if any mobs that can resist them.  There are also few if any mobs that can resist adept iii attacks.  Ebon for armor is still much too expensive, at least on my server.   Hopefully when the expansion comes out ebon prices will finally drop.   On my server, 3p is the average price for an ebon cluster and 5p is the average price for an imbued ebon curiass or greaves.  For the price of one ebon cluster you can get 2 or 3 adept iii skills.  For the price of a full suit of ebon armor you can get a full set (you dont need all of them but it would be nice) of tier5 adept iii skills, providing much greater overall benefit to your character than the ebon armor.</P>

[Rochir]

<DIV>High elves are looking well-positioned after the changes and in Desert of Flames.  I just pre-ordered DoF :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR>Whats hilarious is your EQ2 players link in your sig goes to a HUMAN paladin. rofl <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It's Blackweb's second account.  He's mentioned the character names several times and it shows in his many screenshots.  You'll also notice he lists the same ICQ number in both profiles:  2254356 </P> <P>EDITS:  Go look at <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621</A> to see an example of Blackweb backing himself up from his other account.  Go through all the Rochir posts to see more examples.  Note that this thread itself is a self-bump of a thread which hadn't been touched in nearly 2 months.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Kendricke on <span class=date_text>08-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:05 PM</span>

[BlackW]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR>Whats hilarious is your EQ2 players link in your sig goes to a HUMAN paladin. rofl <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It's Blackweb's second account.  He's mentioned the character names several times and it shows in his many screenshots.  You'll also notice he lists the same ICQ number in both profiles:  2254356 </P> <P>EDITS:  Go look at <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621</A> to see an example of Blackweb backing himself up from his other account.  Go through all the Rochir posts to see more examples.  Note that this thread itself is a self-bump of a thread which hadn't been touched in nearly 2 months.</P> <P>Message Edited by Kendricke on <SPAN class=date_text>08-15-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:05 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What does this have to do with the topic of the post?   Someone makes a positive post about the combat changes and DoF and this is what you post? *sigh*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This kind of thing makes me personally very uncomfortable.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by BlackWeb on <span class=date_text>08-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:26 PM</span>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR>Whats hilarious is your EQ2 players link in your sig goes to a HUMAN paladin. rofl <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It's Blackweb's second account.  He's mentioned the character names several times and it shows in his many screenshots.  You'll also notice he lists the same ICQ number in both profiles:  2254356 </P> <P>EDITS:  Go look at <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621</A> to see an example of Blackweb backing himself up from his other account.  Go through all the Rochir posts to see more examples.  Note that this thread itself is a self-bump of a thread which hadn't been touched in nearly 2 months.</P> <P>Message Edited by Kendricke on <SPAN class=date_text>08-15-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:05 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What does this have to do with the topic of the post?   Someone makes a positive post about the combat changes and DoF and this is what you post? *sigh*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This kind of thing makes me personally very uncomfortable.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by BlackWeb on <SPAN class=date_text>08-15-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:26 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Someone?  Someone?  The "someone" was you...under an different account...resurrecting a dead thread which was last commented on by yourself...2 months ago.  I'm sorry this makes you uncomfortable, but if you're going to post under two different names, then at least be up front that you are.  </P> <P>If you're going to resurrect one of your own discussions, be prepared to be called upon it.  </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[BlackW]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR>Whats hilarious is your EQ2 players link in your sig goes to a HUMAN paladin. rofl <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It's Blackweb's second account.  He's mentioned the character names several times and it shows in his many screenshots.  You'll also notice he lists the same ICQ number in both profiles:  2254356 </P> <P>EDITS:  Go look at <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621</A> to see an example of Blackweb backing himself up from his other account.  Go through all the Rochir posts to see more examples.  Note that this thread itself is a self-bump of a thread which hadn't been touched in nearly 2 months.</P> <P>Message Edited by Kendricke on <SPAN class=date_text>08-15-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:05 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What does this have to do with the topic of the post?   Someone makes a positive post about the combat changes and DoF and this is what you post? *sigh*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This kind of thing makes me personally very uncomfortable.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by BlackWeb on <SPAN class=date_text>08-15-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:26 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Someone?  Someone?  The "someone" was you...under an different account...resurrecting a dead thread which was last commented on by yourself...2 months ago.  I'm sorry this makes you uncomfortable, but if you're going to post under two different names, then at least be up front that you are.  </P> <P>If you're going to resurrect one of your own discussions, be prepared to be called upon it.  </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Called on what?  What are you, some kind of detective?  You think you have discovered some big secret?  I have never tried to hide anything.   You seem to know a lot about using alternate accounts for serruptitious purposes.</P> <P>This is the Paladin forum.  This is a thread about High Elf Paladins.  The combat changes affect the stats of all races.   High elves in particular would seem to make very good Paladins after the changes.   How about commenting about that instead of me?   </P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by BlackWeb on <span class=date_text>08-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:20 PM</span>

[djhbeek]

<span><blockquote><hr>BlackWeb wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Kendricke wrote: <blockquote> <hr> BlackWeb wrote: <div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Kendricke wrote: <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:Whats hilarious is your EQ2 players link in your sig goes to a HUMAN paladin. rofl <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>It's Blackweb's second account.  He's mentioned the character names several times and it shows in his many screenshots.  You'll also notice he lists the same ICQ number in both profiles:  2254356 </p> <p>EDITS:  Go look at <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12621#M12621</a> to see an example of Blackweb backing himself up from his other account.  Go through all the Rochir posts to see more examples.  Note that this thread itself is a self-bump of a thread which hadn't been touched in nearly 2 months.</p> <p>Message Edited by Kendricke on <span class="date_text">08-15-2005</span> <span class="time_text">03:05 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote> <div>What does this have to do with the topic of the post?   Someone makes a positive post about the combat changes and DoF and this is what you post? *sigh*</div> <div> </div> <div>This kind of thing makes me personally very uncomfortable.</div> <p>Message Edited by BlackWeb on <span class="date_text">08-15-2005</span> <span class="time_text">03:26 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote> <p>Someone?  Someone?  The "someone" was you...under an different account...resurrecting a dead thread which was last commented on by yourself...2 months ago.  I'm sorry this makes you uncomfortable, but if you're going to post under two different names, then at least be up front that you are.  </p> <p>If you're going to resurrect one of your own discussions, be prepared to be called upon it.  </p> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Called on what?  What are you, some kind of detective?  You think you have discovered some big secret?  I have never tried to hide anything.   You seem to know a lot about using alternate accounts for serruptitious purposes.</p> <p>This is the Paladin forum.  This is a thread about High Elf Paladins.  The combat changes affect the stats of all races.   High elves in particular would seem to make very good Paladins after the changes.   How about commenting about that instead of me?   </p> <div></div><p>Message Edited by BlackWeb on <span class="date_text">08-15-2005</span> <span class="time_text">05:20 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>in all fairness ... the posting on 2 accounts thing has been brought up several times, and for the most part ignored by you, BW.  It's not gonna make you any friends just ignoring it.  responding to your own posts is quite underhanded, and isn't really gonna fly on these boards (if the accusations are in fact true).  Until you come clean about this, it's just going to continue to come up... and i for one can't blame people for bringing it up.</span><div></div>

[Moonreft]

<P>Ok ill bite. Highelf pally on everfrost currently. Never thought of it as a bad choice at all. Picked all sta % as training mostly ebon gear few fabled pieces. prismatic 1 hander and kings flail. Only a guard with ebon gear can beat my raw HP. In eq1 this race was #1 for pallys on druzzil ro server I had a human pally then. I liked the race armor they had and had picked this race in hopes that this game engine would have a format somewhat the same.</P> <P>What changes do you see in the race training skills?</P> <DIV>/regrets pushing the submit button on a BlackWeb post before even doing it</DIV>

[Roguefor]

<DIV>Wanted to get some help on starting a paladin new to EQ2, played for a few weeks wanted to get a serious char going  but started reading this post and it freaked me out</DIV> <DIV>wow the drama, I love it. What does BlackWeb having two acounts have to do with anything? He started a old thread again ok.........lol. Dude seriously do you two have some love-hate thing going, sort of eerie how some peeps are like researching folks and stuff.((((Willies))) (sp) Hey seriously please go and hijack this dudes thread on some other forum, some people actually want to play their chars better instead of spending</DIV> <DIV>time researching folks and your pointless posting, makes it hard for people who are actually looking into their chars. to sift thru the garbage.</DIV>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moonreft wrote:<BR> <P>Ok ill bite. Highelf pally on everfrost currently. Never thought of it as a bad choice at all. Picked all sta % as training mostly ebon gear few fabled pieces. prismatic 1 hander and kings flail. Only a guard with ebon gear can beat my raw HP. In eq1 this race was #1 for pallys on druzzil ro server I had a human pally then. I liked the race armor they had and had picked this race in hopes that this game engine would have a format somewhat the same.</P> <P>What changes do you see in the race training skills?</P> <DIV>/regrets pushing the submit button on a BlackWeb post before even doing it</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I have never had problems with hit points or strength at least not after level 10.   Our high wisdom gives us high natural resistance as Paladins after the combat changes.  Our high agility and intelligence give us extra avoidance and spellcasting damage.    I have been unable to respec my character on the test server so I dont know about the racial characteristics, upgrades and training skills.   I did notice that Call to Glory had been changed into a weapon buff but the training skill that is supposed to upgrade it had not been changed and was still a group hate/defensive buff.    I wish we could do a respec on Test to find out what if any racial characteristics or training spells have changed.   I love my High Elf Paladin and he is now my main Paladin character.    The Koada'Dal are the trueborn leaders of Norrath, why should we not make the best Paladins as well?  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  <p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>08-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:13 PM</span>

[BlackW]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> djhbeek wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>in all fairness ... the posting on 2 accounts thing has been brought up several times, and for the most part ignored by you, BW.  It's not gonna make you any friends just ignoring it.  responding to your own posts is quite underhanded, and isn't really gonna fly on these boards (if the accusations are in fact true).  Until you come clean about this, it's just going to continue to come up... and i for one can't blame people for bringing it up.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Accusations of what?  Bring what up?    It was me who told you my alt was a high elf paladin and my guild tag is in my signature on both accounts.  I even posted screenshots of both characters on the test server and live.   If I am being underhanded, I am doing a really bad job of it.  I practiaclly waved a flag that said "hey, I am the same guy!" </P> <P>In all fairness I dont bump or respond to my own posts.   Sometimes I forget which account I am logged in with and click submit with one account when I meant to use the other one.    Besides, I dont need to bump my own threads, Kendricke will do it for me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Do you ever get tired or maybe even forgetful?   Sheesh!   Give me a break.  How many times have I actually responded to my own threads, what 3 or 4 times and what did I say?   Little or nothing.    Believe me, if I could have deleted those posts, I would have.   I dont know which is worse, posting then wiping them and asking the moderator to delete them or just leaving them there.   If anyone every asks me, I tell them who I am.   I have never tried to hide anything.  Then again, does it really matter?   What is this the Paladin forum or the Blackweb forum?   I mean really, get a grip people, lets talk about Paladins in EQ2 not me.  I dont think I am that interesting.</P> <P>Lithium can be really annoying at times.   I get reposts, overposts, I work on a post for a while and it goes poof when I hit submit.  I cant delete my posts when I want or need to.   I hate having to bug the moderator when I want a post deleted.</P>

[WAPCE]

<blockquote><hr>BlackWeb wrote: <div></div>High elves in particular would seem to make very good Paladins after the changes. How about commenting about that instead of me?<p></p><div></div> <hr></blockquote> Do they have racial specializations for +5 Defense and resistance to Crushing? I would consider those to be all but vital to a tanking class.

[djhbeek]

<div></div>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12494&#M12494 care to explain that? (it's where you mention that you've read YOUR OWN guide).  If this is our fault for bringing this up, then i don't know what to say, really ... <div></div><p>Message Edited by djhbeek on <span class=date_text>08-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:50 AM</span>

[BlackW]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> djhbeek wrote:<BR> http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12494&#M12494<BR><BR>care to explain that? (it's where you mention that you've read YOUR OWN guide).  If this is our fault for bringing this up, then i don't know what to say, really ... <BR> <P>Message Edited by djhbeek on <SPAN class=date_text>08-16-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:50 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>LOL!  A mis-post.   Thought I was logged in with the other account, made a post.  Noticed I used the wrong account.   Changed it to say something silly.   Not much else to it.   Of course I read my own guide, I wrote it!  Lighten up already, it was a joke!   I guess no one got it...  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>We cant delete our own posts in Lithium and I get tired of bugging Faarwolf about deleting mis-posts so I decided something say something silly <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Are we done with this now?  Sheesh! :smileysurprised:</P> <P>Lets not clutter up this forum with this stuff anymore ok?</P>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> djhbeek wrote:<BR> http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=12494&#M12494<BR><BR>care to explain that? (it's where you mention that you've read YOUR OWN guide).  If this is our fault for bringing this up, then i don't know what to say, really ... <BR> <P>Message Edited by djhbeek on <SPAN class=date_text>08-16-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:50 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>LOL!  A mis-post.   Thought I was logged in with the other account, made a post.  Noticed I used the wrong account.   Changed it to say something silly.   Not much else to it.   Of course I read my own guide, I wrote it!  Lighten up already, it was a joke!   I guess no one got it...  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>We cant delete our own posts in Lithium and I get tired of bugging Faarwolf about deleting mis-posts so I decided something say something silly <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Are we done with this now?  Sheesh! :smileysurprised:</P> <P>Lets not clutter up this forum with this stuff anymore ok?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If this truly were the case, then how come you were the only one in on the joke?  I don't think anyone can "get the joke" if you don't let anyone know you're joking...or even that it's you making the joke.  You may not have actively "hidden" your second account (or perhaps you just weren't good at hiding it), but you certainly weren't actively sharing that information, either.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WAPCE wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote:<BR> High elves in particular would seem to make very good Paladins after the changes. How about commenting about that instead of me? <P></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Do they have racial specializations for +5 Defense and resistance to Crushing? I would consider those to be all but vital to a tanking class.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes, I think there is a crushing and or slashing specialization but high elves have such good agility and avoidance, I am not sure they need it.   I did not choose it but I will take a second look at it after the changes.    If you are trying to make a high damage Paladin and plan to use the offensive stance a lot, you might want to choose that one.   I will probably make my high elf Paladin a "damage" paladin after the changes.</P> <P><BR>The high elf racial characterestics are focused on strength, hit points, wisdom, power, intelligence, agility and avoidance/defense.   There is one that adds +2 to defense and parry, I think a very good one for a tank.  There are two things that high elves dont need, power and wisdom.    They have the most wisdom and may have the most power of any race starting the game.    That allows you invest in strength , hit points and agility and/or intelligence.   I noticed from the beginning that the high elf did not seem to take as many hits as a human.</P> <P>The combat changes seem to favor the high elf in particular.   This puts me at a quandary.  I dont want to make all the human and barbarian Paladins feel bad about their characters but I like the effect the combat changes ahd on my high elf.   He went from a very strong Paladin to an uber-strong Paladin.   So I decided to use a human Paladin to evaluate the changes as I think focusing on a high elf would not be a good example of the effect the changes would have on the "average" Paladin.   I think most people who made Paladins in the first few months chose human or barbarian.     The changes tend to favor races with high wisdom, intelligence (Erudite Paladin?) and agility for Paladin.   Previously the high strength and stamina races were the preferred races for Paladin.    Good choices in racial characteristics and attributes can level all of this out for all of the races.</P> <P>Here are the attributes and characteristics I would choose as a high elf after the changes:</P> <P>1.  Strength.   Choose this one at least twice, maybe 3 times.</P> <P>2.  Stamina/Hit points.  At least once, maybe twice.</P> <P>3.  Defense/Parry.   Only one upgrade for this available.   There might be another for defense.   Take a look at the slashing and crushing upgrades.</P> <P>4.  Intelligence.  Once or twice to boost spellcasting damage.</P> <P>5.  Agility.  Once or twice to boost avoidance and defense.</P> <DIV>You dont need wisdom as you start the game with 32 wisdom(or is it 35).   You dont need to increase the size of your power pool, you already have one of the largest, if not the largest power pools.   All you really need is strength and hit points or stamina.   Make sure you choose permanent buffs rather than buffs that have to be cast.  I made that mistake one time and wasted an upgrade.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>High elves will have the highest natural resistance as a Paladin, be one of the stronger spell casters as a Paladin and have good avoidance.    Looking at them on paper would make one thing that the EQ2 Team favors elves <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: <P>If this truly were the case, then how come you were the only one in on the joke?  I don't think anyone can "get the joke" if you don't let anyone know you're joking...or even that it's you making the joke.  You may not have actively "hidden" your second account (or perhaps you just weren't good at hiding it), but you certainly weren't actively sharing that information, either.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>*sigh* no sense of humor.  I answered everyones posts about this.   I made it pretty obvious that both accounts were mine.   How else could I mix screenshots from both accounts in one post?</P> <P>Please stop trying to hijack this thread and turn this into a personal flamefest.   It's time to move on.  This is the Paladin forum, not the Blackweb/Kendricke forum.   If you have something to say about high elf paladins, please do so.</P> <DIV>Getting back to high elf Paladins in EQ2.   As I said above, I like the effect that the combat changes have had on my high elf Paladin.   I am looking forward to playing my high elf Paladin in DoF.   In fact, I already pre-ordered it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I wonder if my monkey and my dragon will get along?  Toasted monkey?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>08-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:21 AM</span>

[Rochir]

<DIV>I am trying to get my hands on the Blood Fire.    I went to the Sanctum of Fear last night with a strong group.   Our goal was to finish the Heart of Fear.   I agree with everyone who says that is one of the best zones in EQ2.   We ground our way all the way to the ring event.   Here are some screenies:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://orderofmarr.everquest2guilds.com/image_gallery.vm?categoryId=29695" target=_blank>http://orderofmarr.everquest2guilds.com/image_gallery.vm?categoryId=29695</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unfortunately, we lost a group member who had one of the 4 golem hearts and were unable to complete it.   I really want that sword.  I have the Screaming Mace for crushing, I want the Bloodfire for slashing, at least until I can get the prismatic but that could take a while.   Very frustrating to get that close and come up empty <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is the quest information:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quest name:  Heart of Fear</DIV> <DIV>Qust NPC:  Nemar Gadgetglow, Gnome inside lower part of Cazic Thule</DIV> <DIV>Quest Type: Access quest for Sanctum of Fear, Lost Temple of Cazic Thule</DIV> <DIV>Quest Reward:  Varies, one choice is the Blood Fire, a very nice Tier 5 one-handed long sword</DIV> <DIV>Location: Lost Temple of Cazic Thule/Sanctum of Fear</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Screenshot of the Blood Fire:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/BloodFire.php" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/BloodFire.php</A></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To me, the Bloodfire is the Slashing equivalent of the Screaming Mace</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/ScreamingMace.php" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/ScreamingMace.php</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To start the Screaming Mace Heritage Quest, kill Agony outside the Temple of Cazic Thule and loot the Cleric's Journal from its corpse. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think they complement each other well; mace for crushing, Bloodfire for slashing.   They come from the same place, both the Screaming Mace and Heart of Fear are long, difficult but rewarding quests for lvl 40-41+.   Both the SM and the BF are Gaurdian/Paladin weapons with stats well suited for tanks using one-handed weapons and carrying a shield.  </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>08-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:09 PM</span>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rochir wrote:<BR><BR> <P>Yes, I think there is a crushing and or slashing specialization but high elves have such good agility and avoidance, I am not sure they need it. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>In my 42 levels of Paladin I have never been given any options of any kind to modify anything dealing with my crushing or slashing anything. Perhaps it is an ability that comes later, but I know it does not come from 20-42.<BR>

[Sav]

<span><blockquote><hr>GilfalasElaandrin wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Rochir wrote: <p>Yes, I think there is a crushing and or slashing specialization but high elves have such good agility and avoidance, I am not sure they need it. </p> <hr> </blockquote>In my 42 levels of Paladin I have never been given any options of any kind to modify anything dealing with my crushing or slashing anything. Perhaps it is an ability that comes later, but I know it does not come from 20-42. <div></div><hr></blockquote>It's a racial thing.  Barbarians, for example, get it.</span><div></div>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Savik wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rochir wrote:<BR><BR> <P>Yes, I think there is a crushing and or slashing specialization but high elves have such good agility and avoidance, I am not sure they need it. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>In my 42 levels of Paladin I have never been given any options of any kind to modify anything dealing with my crushing or slashing anything. Perhaps it is an ability that comes later, but I know it does not come from 20-42.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It's a racial thing.  Barbarians, for example, get it.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>When I respec after the changes, I will make a list of the Koada'Dal racial traits.

[WAPCE]

<a href="http://www.eq2arcanum.com/static/RacialTraditions.php" target=_blank>Racial Traditions</a> <a href="http://www.eq2arcanum.com/static/TraitsTalents.php" target=_blank>Traits and Talents</a> <a href="http://www.eq2arcanum.com/db/Training.php" target=_blank>Training</a> (not complete)

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WAPCE wrote:<BR><A href="http://www.eq2arcanum.com/static/RacialTraditions.php" target=_blank>Racial Traditions</A><BR><A href="http://www.eq2arcanum.com/static/TraitsTalents.php" target=_blank>Traits and Talents</A><BR><A href="http://www.eq2arcanum.com/db/Training.php" target=_blank>Training</A> (not complete)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thanks!   Here is what I plan to choose after the changes:</P> <P>8 - Brawny (+4 Strength)</P> <P>14 - Hardy (+3% Poison Resistance)</P> <P>18 - Elven Reflexes (+3 Agility)</P> <P>22 - Calm (+5% Power Regeneration)</P> <P>26 - Apperception (+3 Intelligence)</P> <P>28 - Muscular (+4 Strength)</P> <P>34 - Graceful Movements (+3 Avoidance)   I think this one might be the defense/parry boost.</P> <P>36 - Pristine ( +3% Disease Resistance) </P> <P>42 - Stalwart or Stout (5% Hit Point Regeneration or +2.5% Hit Points)</P> <P>46 - Recondite (+3% Magic Resistance)</P> <P>48 - Powerful (+4 Strength)</P> <P>I have never been that concerned about training spells and CAs.   Just upgrade your favorite.</P><p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>08-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:24 AM</span>

[Rochir]

<P>Level 60 Koada'Dal Paladin! :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>I must admit, my Koada'Dal Paladin has turned out better than I ever could have hoped for <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>