Adept III for level 35

[Arastir]

<DIV>Hail fellow knights!  Recently Mr. Varsoon coughed up a rough opal for me.  A guildie offered to make an adept III for me out of it and I'm looking for suggestions as to what to have made.  I'm thinking seriously about Doom Judgement, my only concern is the 5 minute recast on it.  I'm open to your suggestions and advice, and thanks in advance.</DIV>

[Titali]

<DIV>thats a good plan</DIV>

[MeridianR]

<span><blockquote><hr>Arastir wrote:<div>Hail fellow knights!  Recently Mr. Varsoon coughed up a rough opal for me.  A guildie offered to make an adept III for me out of it and I'm looking for suggestions as to what to have made.  I'm thinking seriously about Doom Judgement, my only concern is the 5 minute recast on it.  I'm open to your suggestions and advice, and thanks in advance.</div><hr></blockquote>Depends on your play style. If you like to solo/duo a lot, then I would wait until you get Devout Aid at 36.6 (I believe). At 47 it is healing me for over 600 with a 5 second recast. Doom Judgement is a great spell itself, but again it mainly depends on your playstyle.</span><div></div>

[BlackW]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arastir wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hail fellow knights!  Recently Mr. Varsoon coughed up a rough opal for me.  A guildie offered to make an adept III for me out of it and I'm looking for suggestions as to what to have made.  I'm thinking seriously about Doom Judgement, my only concern is the 5 minute recast on it.  I'm open to your suggestions and advice, and thanks in advance.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Unfortunately, you need rogh ruby or rhodium for tier5 adept iiis.    I guess you will have to sell the opal and purchase a ruby or rhodium.   Or, you could have a tier3/4 adept iii made from it.  I would suggest oath strike.

[Titali]

<DIV>opal is t4, oath strike is t3. doom judgement really is a solid choice, eventually you gotat group or will be raiding. it is on a unique timer and there currently is no available upgrade. the 5 minute recast isnt really that bad, usually you get a ^^ fight or two in between encounters that have multiples. if you got the healing training at lvl 30, renars blessing i believe, devout aid is not worth it. that eventually upgrades to pious aid as well.</DIV>

[MeridianR]

Well it does depend on what upgrade you took at L30....I took the Lay on Hands upgrade for the 15 min re-cast timer, and am glad I did. Other then Doom Judgement and Devout Aid I don't see any other Tier 4 spell worth an upgrade. Devout Aid Adept 3 heals for more then Pious Aid Adept 1, for less power. Also a Ruthenium or Opal is a lot cheaper to pickup then a Ruby or Rhodium is. I can think of 5 better spells to upgrade to Adept III in Tier 5 over Pious Aid, and the Blessed Aid Training Greys out in the earlier 40's I believe. (Not sure what total heal is) -- clarion call -- zealous preaching (believe this is our L50 AoE Taunt) -- Benediction -- Sworn Strike -- Refusal of Grace These are much better upgrades then Pious Aid would be IMHO. <div></div>

[Titali]

<DIV>blessed aid training caps at 500 for 99mana. the sheer efficieny is why i love this spell, if everyone is oom, you can cast this just off of regen to stretch out those hard to wins. last night i solo'd a blue 45^^ golem in CT, i had him at 30% when he and i ran out of mana and was able to cast this until i was victorious. i have no mana regen items, so just the base 1%ish per tick while in combat. comes down to your training.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>as far as t5 upgrades are concerned i agree with you for the most part meridian, except i would take your list, flip it upside down and stick pious before the taunts.  my reasoning, more bang for your buck. adept1 to adept3 taunts add like 20 threat or something miniscule i <EM>believe</EM>. while the others get a much more significant upgrade (depending how significant you consider Defense). thats the way i look at it though, i still got my sta ruby ring first. i think i may actually go wis for my second one, depending on combat changes if it really helps with resists/mitigation. but thats another story</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kyle4]

<div></div><div></div>My first choice for a T4 Adept III was Smite Prayer. It is much better than the adept 1 verison not only with increased threat but also with lowering the mobs divine resistance, plus I find it hard to keep aggro when fighting groups and rather easy when fighting solo mobs. Noble Tone Adept III isn't too much better than the Adept 1, so I wouldn't bother with that, but overly its how you like to play. If you tank most of the time go for Smite Prayer, if you solo go with Oath Strike(tier 3) or Doom Judgement. -Jeauno level 40 Paladin of Nektulos <div></div><p>Message Edited by Kyle420 on <span class="date_text">05-23-2005</span> <span class="time_text">04:51 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Kyle420 on <span class=date_text>05-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:52 PM</span>

[SanJ]

<DIV>I highly recommend that you study all the Paladin skills/spells listed on the forum before you make the final adept 3 decision.  It would be unfortunate to burn a rare harvest for adept 3 only to learn a few levels in the not so distant future will replace your adept 3 with possibly a 2-4 gold adept 1 upgrade for a new orange con skill/spell that is very comparable if not better.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Additionally, the concept of play style pops up over and over again regarding the best usage for rare or the best route to take with training upgrades.  I hate to see fellow Paladins trash talking someone's decision on a training/spell upgrade without fully understanding their play style.  I grinded out nearly two tiers playing in very small 2-3 player groups.  Often times, I was MT and main healer with a scout/mage completing the group make-up.  I couldn't tell you how many players told me I messed up going with the blessed aid training upgrade (90 power for 499 heal) vs. the half time reduction of LOH.  Based on the play style-du jour, the very low mana cost heal was definitely the route for me at the time.  I couldn't begin to list the number of times in small group when everyone was out of mana, my health in the orange or red and just prior to death, 90 mana back up for another heal.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, at level 49, I'm spending much more of my time playing in full groups and raid parties with very talented healers that render my small heal less effective overall.  I could easily see a respec that would reduce my LOH line from 30 minutes down to 15 based on the different play style.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Likewise, if you are in a group situation where you play with another Paladin on a regular routine, skill upgrades would definitely be different for say an offensive OT pally playing with a defensive MT pally.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You could also put a group of level 50 Paladins together in a room and find a LOT of commonality between players, but you'll definitely find different training upgrades, different adept 3 paths, different gear selections as well as different pull and aggro management tactics.  Additionally, you'll probably never get them all to come to the same consensus for different play style situations, but each is probably still capable of handling their duties well if they've played a toon through 50 levels <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's a great idea to probe the Paladin community to better educate yourself regarding the options, but in the end, it's your decision to make and to me its a personal decision that I believe will best enchance my play style.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Kalen</DIV>

[MeridianR]

<span><blockquote><hr>SanJun wrote:<div>I highly recommend that you study all the Paladin skills/spells listed on the forum before you make the final adept 3 decision.  It would be unfortunate to burn a rare harvest for adept 3 only to learn a few levels in the not so distant future will replace your adept 3 with possibly a 2-4 gold adept 1 upgrade for a new orange con skill/spell that is very comparable if not better.</div> <div> </div> <div>Additionally, the concept of play style pops up over and over again regarding the best usage for rare or the best route to take with training upgrades.  I hate to see fellow Paladins trash talking someone's decision on a training/spell upgrade without fully understanding their play style.  I grinded out nearly two tiers playing in very small 2-3 player groups.  Often times, I was MT and main healer with a scout/mage completing the group make-up.  I couldn't tell you how many players told me I messed up going with the blessed aid training upgrade (90 power for 499 heal) vs. the half time reduction of LOH.  Based on the play style-du jour, the very low mana cost heal was definitely the route for me at the time.  I couldn't begin to list the number of times in small group when everyone was out of mana, my health in the orange or red and just prior to death, 90 mana back up for another heal.  </div> <div> </div> <div>However, at level 49, I'm spending much more of my time playing in full groups and raid parties with very talented healers that render my small heal less effective overall.  I could easily see a respec that would reduce my LOH line from 30 minutes down to 15 based on the different play style.</div> <div> </div> <div>Likewise, if you are in a group situation where you play with another Paladin on a regular routine, skill upgrades would definitely be different for say an offensive OT pally playing with a defensive MT pally.</div> <div> </div> <div>You could also put a group of level 50 Paladins together in a room and find a LOT of commonality between players, but you'll definitely find different training upgrades, different adept 3 paths, different gear selections as well as different pull and aggro management tactics.  Additionally, you'll probably never get them all to come to the same consensus for different play style situations, but each is probably still capable of handling their duties well if they've played a toon through 50 levels <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div> <div>It's a great idea to probe the Paladin community to better educate yourself regarding the options, but in the end, it's your decision to make and to me its a personal decision that I believe will best enchance my play style.</div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks,</div> <div>Kalen</div><hr></blockquote>I agree: a) Playstyle dictates all upgrades / training abilities b) All in all it is the persons choice on what they want to do. Since I mainly duo'd with a same level Fury most of my 20s-30s' I didn't need to take the Blessed Aid upgrade, since he was more then enough to keep me healed for White / Yellow heroic mobs.. Now in my high 40's there really isn't a ton to solo except green heroics, etc, and my choice of Devout Aid Adept 3 works perfect. So I will say it again (as I did earlier..lol), a persons playstyle is IMO the most important factor when deciding which spell to upgrade.....</span><div></div>