This is a TANK !

[Zetnorr]

<font color="#ffff00"><font size="3"><font face="Century"><font size="4">ABRAMS  main  Battle  Tank ;  length : 32.25  ft  width  :  12  ft height :   8  ft top  speed :  41.5 mph Armament : 120  mm  canon <font face="Garamond"><font color="#ffcc00">This  is  not  a  tank ; <font color="#99ff00"> A  PALADIN <font color="#ffff00"><font size="3"><font face="Courier New">Tank's are  not  meant  to  take/absorb  damage thay  are expensive tactical offensive  weapon's & are used  as  such. If a  term  to  be  used in  this game  to signify that you  take/hold damage then I suggest "punching bag" & Paladin's are certainly not that either, though it's not a bad description of Guardian's. Don't  you think ?  </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

[Vidneras]

<DIV>Your post made me think of this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/paladin/" target=_blank>http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/paladin/</A></DIV>

[Red Sox Suck]

haha nice link

[Zaloorb]

I dont know, just seems like one trying to start a flame war. But I guess ill give you my perspective... /shrug At lvl 46 I have more hp than many guardians my level or a level or 2 above me. This goes the same for my mitigation and avoidance (which is usually significantly higher). Of course my gear is nice but it does still prove that I can effectively tank. As far as aggro is concerned I have less taunts, yes, but there is a wonderful spell called Redemption that allows us to maintain aggro very nicely =) When you try to start a flame war at least provide some situational information as your argument will hold up much better. Zaloorb Tundrasteppe 46th Season Paladin Initiate of Phoenix Legion, Oasis Server <div></div>

[Theramor-GoV]

<DIV>My Paladin has been MT in groups many times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've also been Off Tank in Raids and groups several times.  I think Guardians are better MT for Raid type mobs (with Paladins to buff them of course <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) because of how they're designed -- if they're played by someone who knows their stuff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heck, my Monk has been MT many times in groups as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>**Any Warrior Class** can be an effective MT for grouping.......most if geared and played correctly could probably MT raid mobs also.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All this bickering that Paladins are not tanks is pointless and nothing more than troll-bait.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>T</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT -- spelling errors</DIV><p>Message Edited by Theramor-GoV on <span class=date_text>05-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:22 AM</span>

[Majorminor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Theramor-GoV wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Heck, my Monk has been MT many times in groups as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>I read this 3 times.  I couldn't figure out how your mom tanking, really was relevant.</P> <P> </P> <P>Then I actually READ it, hehe. </P> <P>Note to self, make sure to really read everything and not just skim.</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[-Foobo]

<P><A href="http://serf.org/wombats.html" target=_blank>Furry Paladin!</A><BR></P> <P><BR>Now explain to me how 20th century Armor relates to Holy Warriors of Qeynos?</P>

[Moonreft]

u been attacked by the 1 star ninja mahahahaha

[JarredDarque]

<P>Actaully, you are incorrect in your assumptions as to the roles and designs of a military tank.   they are given heavy armor for the fact that they can stay on or near the front lines, take plenty of damage, and continue to fight, similar to our 'tanks' in EQ2, we are designed so we can sit near or on the front line, and take plenty of damage, protect weaker (physically) classes and continue to stand and fight.</P> <P>i.e.  Watch the news, when tanks are rolling through enemy territory, namely urban areas where attacks can come from any time, where does the infantry stand?  They follow behind the tank, so that the tank can take the majority of the damage and continue to fight, while the infantry provides back up roles for them.     when a group is running through a high end zone, does the caster lead the group?  not normally, normally the tank is in front and people are on /follow, why, so that in the event of an attack, he will be the main target, same thing in normal planned combat.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, a military tank without armor is called artilary, they have excelent damage and range, but very little armor/protection and can be taken out fairly easily if attacked....kinda like a caster, reason we call them glass cannons <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Zetnorr]

Some  may  have  mis-read  me, I  did  not  mean  that  a Paladin  could  not  "tank"  as  the  term  is  used in  this  game  but  merely  pointing  out  that   a  <FONT color=#ffff00>TANK</FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>  is  an  offensive   weapon  &  I  feel  that  Pally's  are  more  an   offensive  class  like  Brawler/ Monk  rather than  taking  a  defensive  role. It  does  also  depend  on  the  situation  as  well  &  who  you're  grouped  with. This  was  not  meant  to  start  any  argument's  at  all  please  don't  take  it  that  way.  :smileyhappy:</FONT>

[Boli32]

Paladins are the main battle tank to the wizard's helicopter gunship. <div></div>

[Sav]

<span><blockquote><hr>Zetnorr wrote:<font color="#ffff00"><font size="3"><font face="Century"><font size="4">ABRAMS  main  Battle  Tank ;  length : 32.25  ft  width  :  12  ft height :   8  ft top  speed :  41.5 mph Armament : 120  mm  canon <font face="Garamond"><font color="#ffcc00">This  is  not  a  tank ; <font color="#99ff00"> A  PALADIN <font color="#ffff00"><font size="3"><font face="Courier New">Tank's are  not  meant  to  take/absorb  damage thay  are expensive tactical offensive  weapon's & are used  as  such. If a  term  to  be  used in  this game  to signify that you  take/hold damage then I suggest "punching bag" & Paladin's are certainly not that either, though it's not a bad description of Guardian's. Don't  you think ?  </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><hr></blockquote> Compared to any other piece of military equipment, the M1 is capable of taking the most damage per scale.  Certainly, a battleship could take a lot more damage, but not per scale.  Other designations include Medics (referring to healers), Nukes (referring to mages, primarily wizards), and Ghosts (referring to scouts and stealthers) seem to fit with the primary mission objectives of military hardware and personnel. Yes tanks do a lot of damage on the battlefield.  However artillery, planes, and ships do more damage.  Hence it fits in line that paladins are tanks as opposed to say howitzers, battleships, stealth bombers, etc <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[Xlap]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> JarredDarque wrote:<BR> <P>Actaully, you are incorrect in your assumptions as to the roles and <A href="http://searchmiracle.com/search/search.php?qq=DESIGNS" target=_blank>designs</A> of a military tank.   they are given heavy armor for the fact that they can stay on or near the front lines, take plenty of damage, and continue to fight, similar to our 'tanks' in EQ2, we are designed so we can sit near or on the front <A href="http://searchmiracle.com/search/search.php?qq=LINE" target=_blank>line</A>, and take plenty of damage, protect weaker (physically) classes and continue to stand and fight.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>and they keep "aggro" really well. come on, do you wanna take out the guy with the piddly machine <A href="http://searchmiracle.com/search/search.php?qq=GUN" target=_blank>gun</A> or the F'in huge <A href="http://searchmiracle.com/search/search.php?qq=MOBILE" target=_blank>mobile</A> cannon?</DIV>

[Zetnorr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> JarredDarque wrote:<BR> <P>Actaully, you are incorrect in your assumptions as to the roles and designs of a military tank.   they are given heavy armor for the fact that they can stay on or near the front lines, take plenty of damage, and continue to fight, similar to our 'tanks' in EQ2, we are designed so we can sit near or on the front line, and take plenty of damage, protect weaker (physically) classes and continue to stand and fight.</P> <P>i.e.  Watch the news, when tanks are rolling through enemy territory, namely urban areas where attacks can come from any time, where does the infantry stand?  They follow behind the tank, so that the tank can take the majority of the damage and continue to fight, while the infantry provides back up roles for them.     when a group is running through a high end zone, does the caster lead the group?  not normally, normally the tank is in front and people are on /follow, why, so that in the event of an attack, he will be the main target, same thing in normal planned combat.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, a military tank without armor is called artilary, they have excelent damage and range, but very little armor/protection and can be taken out fairly easily if attacked....kinda like a caster, reason we call them glass cannons <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Actually  I'm  not  incorrect  when  it  come's  to tactic's  of  armored  forces, I was  in  Australian  Armored  corps. Yes they sre  given  heavy  armor  to protect  themselve's - for  they  make  good tergets  from  RPG'S  & such -  if  your  knowledge  of  Armored  warfare  comes  from  watching  the  news  in  a  zone  that  is  now  deemed  relatively safe  ( that's  why  you  have a  '[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]'  civilian  cameraman  there, if they  were  under  fire  or in  heavy  combat  do you think  he'd be  there ? )  then  you  should  stick  to something  you  do  know  about ( watching  T.V.  , comic's  etc ).</P> <P>BTW  a Tank  without  armor  is  called  badly  damaged , an artillery  piece  is  called  artillery - period ! A  self-propelled gun/canon  may  look  like  a  Tank  to  'civvy's '  but  is  a self propelled  gun  it  can  motor  along  under it's  own power  to  it's  destination  but  then  can  only  fire  from  a  stationary  position.</P> <P>And  the  infantary  behind  the  Tanks ? Well  it's obvious  they're not under  threat ( as  stated )  &  if  they  were walking  in  front  of  Tanks  they would  probably get  run  over  by them. Infantary are not  big  on  brain  power , that's  why  they're  called  grunt's  the  world  over.</P> <P>Over  to  you armchair  General  JarredDarque.</P>

[Caud]

"Hamburger buckler- a shield made out of meat What does that have to do with anything, not a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] thing.  I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I think you guys suck at your job". Yeah we can't hold agro as well, we take a hit fine. <div></div>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<P>Zetnor welcome to the MMORPG hobby. Whil eI understand your reasoning, it is ususlly futile and counter productive to try to come in and redefine terms that, literally, hundreds of thousands of people have been using for almsot 12 years now.</P> <P>Tanks is used as a conceptual descriptor. For any warrior who can keep a foes attention and is heavily armorer/tough to kill.</P> <P>And ask any commander in any countery world wide what a tank is and they will reply: Heavy Armor.</P>

[Moonreft]

<DIV>This guys just a [Removed for Content] he tryed to arguee the point with me in another thread and desided to further broden his stupidy in this one. </DIV>

[Zetnorr]

<FONT face=Garamond color=#ffff00 size=3>Moonreft -  you're  buthchering of the english  langauge  leave's me in  no doubt  as to whom is  furthering their   <U>stupidity</U>  !</FONT>

[Azakiel]

<P>Ha ha!</P> <P>We started defining terminology and am now at it with the grammar! I love watching the insults fly.......</P> <P>Settle the argument? -> Log into EQ2 combine a group of ANY player types and ONE Fighter type and then ask the question.....Who's Tank and watch the repsonse.</P>

[Sav]

<div></div>I think a proper way to settle the argument would be to take every single piece of military hardware and have it be shot at by every other piece of military hardware and see which one survives longest.  That will be the new nomenclature for heavily armored fighter types.  I don't mind being called a battleship honestly. Battleship Savik has a nice ring to it, does it not? <div></div><p>Message Edited by Savik on <span class=date_text>05-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:13 AM</span>

[Boli32]

Personally I'd prefer fortified underground bunker myself <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Templar: "OK, I'm main healer... who's Cheyenne mountain?" Boli: Guess that's me - although I'm more of Maginot Line." <div></div>

[Korpo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zetnorr wrote:<BR><FONT face=Garamond color=#ffff00 size=3>Moonreft -  you're  buthchering of the english  langauge  leave's me in  no doubt  as to whom is  furthering their   <U>stupidity</U>  !</FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's about the funniest thing I've ever read. Well, tried to read.

[lover]

To my mind if theres a Guardian about THEY can be main tank lol.  Having said that I am level 29 and have grouped three times, twice I was the main tank given we had no Guardians - the other time we had a Guardian who INSISTED he was fine with a 2 hander (and he had no sword/board in inven anyway) - well he died because I sure couldn't taunt the nasty off him after he had taunted and smooshed it and was getting smacked bigtime himself.  It would be nice to have taunts that are effective for just such an occasion <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Paintball33]

<DIV>ya well, that's the advantage in being a gaurdian. but ur not a gaurdian. being a pally, u shoulda warded him, then healed, then warded, then healed, etc. that's wat i do when mt is in trouble, whether it's me or someone else.</DIV>

[jshari]

that link was awsome ! ! ! i laughed so hard, thats so cool <div></div>