What a joke....

[Skabanis]

<DIV>With no ego I feel like i have some of the kooler stuf in the game so far as paldins go...last night i got enchanted rubicite forge boots of fortifacation...I got full ebon  and my gloves of gloom which are miles better than ebon...My shield is rubicite one of the rarest shields i seen and i can get a hold of kite shield of kings as i am the only Kite shield wearer in my guild...Tonight i Most likely get my prismatic....Now you may think what my grippe is....so here is my life at 50 for the last month and a half...of coarse i go on raids eveynight with guild...getting my tradeskilling up...everyday i try to make a run of all the loot carrying zones eg. maidens gultch..menagarie... icespires...ect...In all these zone i need to get one or two guys to come help me at least a healer for sure...But lately I  have been hearing from my guild memebers that they can solo alot of these instances...What!!...our warden who i admit is 50 with mostly all fable stuff can solo these instances no problem...I scratch my head i think ok let me try to solo...I cant even get the mob to 85% (maidens gultch mob)...its not even close...Not even a matter of resists it does straight crush damage...so i asked my wizard friend to join me (he has uber stuff too) and still same thing we whiped 3 times...so my conclusion is warden is more power full than one paldin and one wizard...that my friends is some serious lameness...so i think maybe this warden is just that uber...but i find out my other to friends a troubador and a conjereor (spelled wrong) do this instances every night...The mob in madiens is 47^^... I also have 4 masters spell one is for uber healing  devout sacrement and the other crusade...Chime in and tell me what our class is...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also i hate to whine or even hear about it cause i love this game...And no i will never play wow hahah...anyways give me your opinions...</DIV>

[prisoner]

<div></div>With the changes to combat coming,  I don't think that warden will be doing that much longer.  Though it strikes me odd that a warden can take out what a paladin and wizard can not.  I'd ask to go see this warden guildie of yours in action.  While I hate to call BS on anyone,  this just seems very questionable and I'm wondering if they are just feeding you a big spoonful of tall tales.  Completely possible,  but I'd need to see it to believe it. 17 <div></div>

[Miracole]

<div></div><div></div>i can't say i have soloed any maiden mob, but i have soloed 48^^ stuff in pf. with a zerker we have duo lvl 50^^ mobs with a necromancer lvl 48 or 49 mobs with a dirge lvl 48 or 49 mobs the thing is, after playing this game for THIS long, i'd think you would at least sorta figure out how things work, guess not... wardens have defensive buffs that renders them immoblized but give them crazy agi and str buff, they also have several offensive buffs that do a lot of dmg. sorry, for a sec there i  thought you were talking about furies. i know furies a little bit better since i used to group with one ALL the time. and as far as bards and conjurors go, there is NO better long duration dps than summoners since they can draw power from their pet and they can summon hearts/shards... their pet makes one hell of a tanking machine if they know what they are doing and manage aggro right, and depends on the mobs our lvl 45 conjuror from the guild can take on yellow^^ things if he gets lucky. and with bards buff i can easily tank lvl 47^^s not to mention the pet, consider the summoner can actuallly buff and heal it's pet *except it generates mad aggro for the summoner*. and a paladin and a wizard... i'd say that's one of the WORST combinations. either you or his buff benefit any of you, and all you can hope for is he nuke fast enough to kill the mob before it kills you, which will genertate mad aggro which means you have to taunt all the time, and it is VERY hard to tuant and heal at the same time. so yeah, wrong guy to duo with mr. paladin. next time pick up a warden or a dirge or a zerker and i BET you will be amazed what you guys can do together. yummy, i wanna get myself a lvl 50 warden, hmmmmm... <div></div><p>Message Edited by Miracole on <span class="date_text">04-25-2005</span> <span class="time_text">02:03 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Miracole on <span class=date_text>04-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:07 PM</span>

[Skabanis]

<DIV>Well you can look up the warden i speak off he is good friend and leader of trinity in kithacor server...Shendig is his name....</DIV> <DIV>And today ragnor soloed (Maidens and menagarie) too wizard for trinty...It must be the items...but you can look at mine too My name is vonbek...I aint a slacker...Also i aint talking about duoing or trio just straight up solo...</DIV><p>Message Edited by Skabanis on <span class=date_text>04-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:20 PM</span>

[Viglundr]

<DIV>Personally I have never been able to solo anything above 46^^ with my paladin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yeah yeah, the usual full set of ebon, screaming mace, etc blah blah.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Live with it. Bring a healer friend.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Skabanis]

<DIV>I am talking about soloing...each class on its own merits...Paladins a way under powered...I love my heal but it takes so much power if i use it a few times i got no power left to fight...just picked up blessed rush master today too....</DIV>

[Boli32]

<blockquote><font color="#ffff00"> and a paladin and a wizard... i'd say that's one of the WORST combinations. either you or his buff benefit any of you, and all you can hope for is he nuke fast enough to kill the mob before it kills you, which will genertate mad aggro which means you have to taunt all the time, and it is VERY hard to tuant and heal at the same time. so yeah, wrong guy to duo with mr. paladin. next time pick up a warden or a dirge or a zerker and i BET you will be amazed what you guys can do together.</font> </blockquote> I used to duo with a wizzy all the time sure it was tough the agro worries went away with redemption but all the chances of surviaval rest on your shoulders... if you can't tank a blue ^^ solo you can't tank it with a wizzy duo. One aspects of this partnership however is you can race through the green^^... pretty handy really in places like Vermins Snye used to be. <div></div>

[prisoner]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Miracole wrote:<BR> <BR>the thing is, after playing this game for THIS long, i'd think you would at least sorta figure out how things work, guess not...<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>/shrug I'm only lvl 37 and the warden I play with is only 34.  I have no clue about their higher level buffs so all I can claim is ignorance.  They are my favorite healers though,  and I guess it goes to show ya,  agility is still important.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>17</DIV>

[Skabanis]

<DIV>what i am saying an think is kinda funny is...people cant read i guess...there are these instances in the end game...that you would think i could solo or even do pretty good...and my point was not even adding a wizard to the group helped me kill the mob...i really cant wait and see what this next patch brings cause i want kite shield fixed and the whole mitagation issue addressed....</DIV>

[AzraelAzgard]

<DIV>Lots is going to change in LU8 with the large combat and priest changes and it may completly alter everything, atm this is silly and I agree a Warden being able to tank something better is rather insane.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But lets continue this discussion after LU8 and see where we and others stand then.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Priests are getting large defense nerfs because atm as you cans ee in cases like this its silly. The gap is being widened in tanking ability between fighter - scout - priest - mage so after that hopefully we will all be equal.</DIV>

[Avigat]

<DIV>Doesnt say the drood tanked it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm guessing he found a way to kite them (either a legit kite, or a pathing flaw.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my guess though.</DIV>

[Tur]

I'm not sure how "on topic" this is, but we (regular guild group) use a warden for healer quite a bit. On pulls of >three MOBs: I don't even bother trying to pull aggro off him anymore (not that I <EM>could</EM> even if I wanted to). He seems to tank 'em just fine. I used to get all excited, taunt, aoe taunt, bash, throw up ward, heal, use harsh language . . .nothing works. Oh, I'm 36 he's 33 :smileytongue:

[Skabanis]

<DIV>i am telling you he soloed it and has been for the last couple days...so has the wizard in our guild...but the wizard uses rooted and ice comet (master only one in game so far)over and over plus whatever other spells...but the instance is small snaring and kiting isnt really possible...Again the warden does have some uber stuff all fabled proabably...but my point is i can't sratch the mob let alone beat it and i have 4 fabled items and one does 31 per tick heal (rubicite kite shield)...I really think our heal should be upped a bit for less power...</DIV>

[jshari]

*wishes he was lvl 50 and had those problems too* <div></div>

[RiotActer]

Wardens are a good class, but I have a feeling the Nerf Bat is coming.  I hunt with a lot with a warden.  In fact all through my 30s and now in my 40s.  Currently I am a 45 Pally, he's a 42 Warden.  Think to keep in mind...  Warden's can only wear light armor, but he can buff his mitigation about 200 to 300 higher than mine.  His stats are pretty nuts w/ STR, AGI, and INT.  He's focused all equipment upgrades toward INT.  He's currently wearing some green con armor cause it's higher INT than T5 armor.  By far the best hunting partner for this Tank!  I haven't really hunted with a Fury in about 20 levels, but Wardens are the easiest to maintain aggro against.  Atleast so far. Wardens get a really nice in combat power regen as a training upgrade.  I think this is what makes the difference in soloing anyway.  Pally's can solo, as long as we have power.  Wards and Heals take too much power to be effective in high lvl soloing.  Their benefits are nice, but before you have the MOB to 1/2 health you are mana dry. <div></div>

[gachamann]

I can't speak for named (not sure if you meant named or not), but at 48 I soloed my very first blue^^. And I didn't have to use LOH, either, so I have to admit I was pretty proud considering that's the first time in-game I could do that. Granted it's not guaranteed. My Screaming Mace has to proc a few times for it to work. I don't have any crafted Ebon (though I do have Black Ebon armor and rubicite) so I'm by no means uber, but I have a shield that give +80 against crushing, slashing and piercing which does wonders against melee. Once I get my Eboots (progressing in it now) I'll be much more of a power machine and that's the big deal-breaker or us since we need our heals and attacks in a fight. I assume you know how to fight pretty well at this point, but just in case here's a few pointers. Don't use FBSS with Scr. Mace, it'll proc less often with it (I use belt of spider legs). Don't use Manastone (which is also vital to have) until your power's down a bit, otherwise you may waste it if scr. mace procs early, which it often does. Don't use your main heals until you're close to halfway down, instead use Devout Sacrement since it saves a lot of power right off, then go to heals. Never use Ward, wastes power. Make sure your main heal, Devout Aid, is Master I. It heals for 764 for 153 pwr. And don't waste power with huge attacks which can be blocked. First, it wastes huge power if it is blocked. Second, that power is better used for heals and smaller attacks with HOs (completed with low level taunt). This also extends the fight, which is favorable to you b/c the longer you last, the more times your mace can give you power. It sounds as if you're having trouble surviving the inital barrage, which is always the hardest part before their power goes down. I'm only 49 so I haven't tried soloing these guys you speak of, but I think we make excellent soloers when used properly and with the right equipment. - Ravynn 49 Paladin <div></div>

[Skabanis]

<DIV>last night i got my prismatic which will help on power regen...very good thought out post...my scr mace has been on my wall for about three weeks...you said get master heal that isnt that easy i got adapt3...my devout sacrement is master heals 1690...</DIV> <DIV>the i am pretty uch armored to the tee...gloves are fabled and boots are fortification (fabled)...i just find my self healing early and never having power to fight...i bit of a deacrease in power useage would help...</DIV>

[gachamann]

<div></div>Gratz on the Prismatic! We just started Fire and Ice, but we don't have enough 48+ yet to take on the drakotas (heard you need 4 full groups 48+ to take them since they're 54 or 56x4, and at least 6 of them have to be healers..3 in group with MT, and 1 in each of the other 3 groups..that all true?), so we're having to wait until enough people get high enough to continue. It'll probably be another month or so before we even make more progress on it now :/ Ahh ok. People can say the scr. mace is a bad MT weapon all they want, but I've had nothing but fantastic results with it. The power proc is the key for me. As long as you're using every single skill that generates hate when they come up, I've never had problems holding, and the procs do way more than make up for the power usage. I have to confess, though, I'm not sure which way I'll go once I get that prismatic. That longsword sure is nice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You have Eboots, I assume? Just remember that the greatest armor in the world means nothing if you have no power. There's too many ways to get hurt in a fight that armor has no effect on. When you get that Flame-tested mail, though, lemme know. I'll buy it for 2plat! =P Hehe, makes the imbued ebon chestpiece look trivial. - Ravynn 49 Paladin <div></div><p>Message Edited by gachamann on <span class=date_text>04-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:11 PM</span>

[Skabanis]

I have Ljboots and enchant vanguard boots of fortification...But mace is fine if you dont have mages and healer that are alot more leet than you...they just generate more hate...now with prismatic i dont lose agrro at all...Scrmace was good and probably good for solo but prisamtic returns power at 12 per tick...