Question about Aegis of Hope

[prisoner]

<DIV>I got this the other day and thought "Sweet this is a nice buff!"  and happily I cast it.  I looked at my skills and I did indeed gain 10 points to all my shield skills.  However,  not one thing changed as far as my mitigation or avoidance goes.  My question is,  whats the point of gained shield skill if it does nothing?  I didn't seem to block any more than without it,  and according to the numbers,  I gained absolutely nothing,  no increased % to mitigation, avoidance,  block, etc.  Also,  I cast it on my friend, an illusionist,  and it did not increase his avoidance at all.  My question basically is,  does this buff really do anything?  Again,  I can see the skill increases in the skill window,  but nothing changes as far as my mitigation and avoidance,  and no avoidance is added to my friend.  I thought maybe that perhaps it didn't stack with another buff he had on,  so any avoidance it granted wouldn't show up,  but then I thought what the hell is the point of that?  If they aren't going to stack,  why give us those buffs at all?  Same goes towards Ancient Pledge,  its not adding any avoidance,  this was on a bruiser.  Again may be a stacking issue,  but it really should stack with other people's buffs.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nice looking buff... but doesn't seem to do anything yet <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </DIV>

[Yrield]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> prisoner17 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I got this the other day and thought "Sweet this is a nice buff!"  and happily I cast it.  I looked at my skills and I did indeed gain 10 points to all my shield skills.  However,  not one thing changed as far as my mitigation or avoidance goes.  My question is,  whats the point of gained shield skill if it does nothing?  I didn't seem to block any more than without it,  and according to the numbers,  I gained absolutely nothing,  no increased % to mitigation, avoidance,  block, etc.  Also,  I cast it on my friend, an illusionist,  and it did not increase his avoidance at all.  My question basically is,  does this buff really do anything?  Again,  I can see the skill increases in the skill window,  but nothing changes as far as my mitigation and avoidance,  and no avoidance is added to my friend.  I thought maybe that perhaps it didn't stack with another buff he had on,  so any avoidance it granted wouldn't show up,  but then I thought what the hell is the point of that?  If they aren't going to stack,  why give us those buffs at all?  Same goes towards Ancient Pledge,  its not adding any avoidance,  this was on a bruiser.  Again may be a stacking issue,  but it really should stack with other people's buffs.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nice looking buff... but doesn't seem to do anything yet <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Before the AC patch,  AoH change were visible on the AC value of target and caster, you can't see those change anymore. For now its hard to tell if they broken the skills in the last big patch or if the skill work but dont show any numerical gain on both target and caster.</P> <P>To make it more worse, the big patch introduced the non-refresh bug on: Aegis of Hope, Blessing of penitent line, Prayer of conviction line. I guess they screwed the Grant of armandement line as well</P> <P>To make it short, they screwed all our buff except the Call to Glory line</P>

[Coyt]

<DIV>Yeah the buffs are hosed, it creates allot of stand around looking stupid time before fights. Mostly because you cant start a fight with 30 seconds left on the timer so you have to cancell it then wait 30 sec to recast it. Its realy tedious.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Random group member:  What are we waiting on ?</DIV> <DIV>Other group member:   Yeah pull allready !</DIV> <DIV>Pally : Hold on 20 sec left till i can buff </DIV> <DIV>Random group member : Huh ??</DIV> <DIV>Other group member: Just friken pull !</DIV> <DIV>Pally :  10 sec take it easy </DIV> <DIV>Other group member : Gahh ! we have to do this every other fight !</DIV> <DIV>Pally : sorry I know it sucks </DIV> <DIV>Random group member: Hey there is and XX lvl gaurd LFG. </DIV> <DIV>Other group member: Call us when they fix your buffs Pally </DIV> <DIV>Group leader:  <<Boot>> /t sorry man , atleast you can solo good except the 30 sec downtime every other fight.</DIV> <DIV>Pally : <<cries>> </DIV>

[SunT]

<P>Coytee, try kicking it off toward the end of the fight, and everytime the healer is low mana.  I also take a little extra time choosing my target and trying to look busy lol, so I don't have to keep whining that my spells havent refreshed.</P> <P>And /Bug it, it is all over the forums already, perhaps if we all bug it everyday they will respond and tell us if it is working/broken as intended.</P>

[Dewfi]

...or just pull and makem heal ya more :p Also I guess casting it mid fight will help draw aggro to you when it resets hehe <div></div>

[roma]

<P>Hey Coyte,</P> <P>that is sad but very funny! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>tx m8</P>

[Darki]

The buffs were fixed in patch #6. Yay!  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[Nurta]

<P>weeee!</P> <P>It's so nice to not have spells that toggle! </P> <P>But did this really fix Aegis of Hope?  I forgot to ask the tank in my group last night. /bonks self</P>

[WAPCE]

Was the intent of AoH to be able to use it only once? I could swear that before the no-timer change to it this time and before the toggle change on it last time, I could cast it on multiple group members, myself not included.

[Nurta]

I was only able to cast it on one person prior to LU6.  But I have only had the spell since LU5 so I can't speak for prior to it. 

[prisoner]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nurta wrote:<BR> <P>weeee!</P> <P>It's so nice to not have spells that toggle! </P> <P>But did this really fix Aegis of Hope?  I forgot to ask the tank in my group last night. /bonks self</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Its fixed as far as I could tell,  the description still says it lasts only 2:28 but it never wore off.  Still wondering the usefulness of the increased shield skill gain.  It seems nice at first but by the numbers it just doesn't seem to bring anything to the table.  You don't gain shield skill by use like you do with melee skills or with defense,  so not really sure what the benefit is except maybe to equip a shield a level or two early,  but I dont even think that will work.  As I recall,  it goes off your base skill on what you can equip,  not your buffed skill.  Has anyone done any parses to see if its really doing anything?  I'd love to but I'm just not savvy enough with a parsing program to figure the numbers out and whatnot.  </P> <P>Another question I was wondering,  it says increase avoidance of target by 25%,  does that give them a 25% raw boost,  i.e. base of target is 60%,  new buffed will be 85%,  or does it add 25% of base,  base 60%,  buffed 75%(1/4*60=15).  All I know is upon an inspect,  I do not see an increase.  I should really learn to parse,  I'm really interested if these buffs are working correctly,  cause by the number I see in game,  they aren't.  </P> <P>17</P>

[RiotActer]

I was messing around with this buff after Live Update 6..  It actually decrease my avoidence by .1%  And when you hold your mouse over your avoidence in the player window, my shild skill actually went down.  Not sure how getting +10 in Kite Shield can make it go down...  I'm using the Guard of Grumm still at lvl 42. If it actually gets fixed:  One cool thing, you can cast it on your squire. <div></div>

[prisoner]

<div></div><div></div>While I was shopping this morning,  I was hit with the clue-bat.  Increase in shield skill is good... IF you have a shield that cons yellow or orange.  You'll recieve more of the AC potential if you still have some ways to go in your shield skill for the item.  I wasn't notcing a difference because my shield is blue to me.  So.. this is indeed a decent buff granted your shield isn't white or below in con.  EDIT:  Also wanted to add,  since it is now a "permanent" buff,  it stays on pretty much forever unless you cancel it,  even if you leave the party.  As I type this,  I still have it on from last night's group and I am still getting the shield bonus.  I expect that to be fixed sooner or later,  but enjoy it while you can. 17 <div></div><p>Message Edited by prisoner17 on <span class=date_text>04-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:07 AM</span>

[trex]

<P>Well done that man - makes perfect sense, will need to look at what my shield cons when I get back in game!</P> <P> </P> <P>Shopping inspired this revelation you say?!?</P>

[jshari]

yeah i just got that too, needs fixing <div></div>

[prisoner]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>trexal wrote:<p>Well done that man - makes perfect sense, will need to look at what my shield cons when I get back in game!</p> <p>Shopping inspired this revelation you say?!?</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Browsing the broker is a mind altering experience <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 17</span><div></div>

[trex]

lol I see! - I had visions of you in the supermarket shopping with the missus and daydreaming of EQ2!