Range items for Paladins?

[Pidgeon]

<DIV>Are there any? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cos it seems unfair that we have a spare slot which could be filled with a stat laiden item.</DIV>

[Troodon]

No Crusader and a number of other classes has access to items for the ranged slot. Even token ranged items e.g. a holy symbol that offers some stats. And yes, in my opinion it isnt fair, especially considering the rather impressive stats on some ranged slot items. <div></div>

[Hawgeous]

<P>Somebody help me with this, I have seen several 40 and above and maybe some in their 30s with an item in their ranged slot when I inspect them.</P> <P>Is there a time when, or specific type of item that can be equiped? All of the stuff I have seen have looked like throwing items.</P> <P>Thanks from a lvl 33 Pally in search of strength and wisdom...:smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Troodon]

Er? I assume perhaps rather whistfully or as a good luck talisman they have something in thier ammo slot, a shuiken, a throwing axe etc? As far as Im aware Crusaders along with Priests and Mages dont have access to the Ranged slot. And before some troll pipes up that we're ballanced for that, you might as well rattle off that that non argument that any class is "ballanced" with its current list of "features" that is bugs/oversights - or have you somehow missed all the post release changes that are going on. <div></div>

[Hawgeous]

<P>Sorry, my error, I did not mean the ranged slot but the one beside it.</P> <P>I have not used either so i got em mixed up and I am runnin real short on strength/wisdom so I hoped there might be a way to use another slot to gain some.</P> <P>I could care less if I can use a bow or any other ranged weapon but when you don't get the added stats others do in the unusable slots it kinda blows IMO.</P>

[Dwergux]

Wie can put items in our ammo slot. (I'm having some selfmade throwing axes in my ammo slot. I've been too lazy to remove them after storing them there when I was tradeskilling and ran out of inventory space <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) <div></div>

[Darki]

And the last time I checked ammo has no bonuses of any kind. <div></div>

[Yrield]

I still try to figure why they dont let us be able to equip bow and unable to equip arrows...

[Roble]

I was on a raid last night, and a bandoleer dropped with 16str/sta.   Too bad we can not use.

[Dwergux]

<div></div>I too would love to have a nice item in my range slot. Be it a bow, bandolier or a tokenitem. When looking at guardians and seeing the great stats on bows I notice we really miss those. (40+ hp, 40+ power and stats is very nice to have).  Paladins aren't the only class who can't equip items in the range slot.  Yet they are the only mellee class who can't To make things fair I would say all classes should be able to equip an item in their range slot. I've heard people say we get heals and wards to compensate for the lack of a range item. I disagree!Classes who can equip an item in the range slot have other skills to make up for our heals and wards. Like the ability to dual wield and the ability to equip a tower shield. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Dwergux on <span class=date_text>03-30-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:38 AM</span>

[Geng]

<P>Excuse my ignorance, but could it not purely be because we don't need one ? (for pulling that is, stat wise it would be nice) We get the nuke which pulls at a distance, I don't know of an equivalent for the other tank classes apart from their ranged weapons ?</P> <P>Maybe instead of a ranged slot item, Paladins could gain the extra stats through some other means, a flag on your sword/shield/two hander that grants similar stats to a ranged slot item if the flag condition is met, i.e. item is equipped by a Paladin ?</P> <P> </P> <P>Just a suggestion</P> <P> </P> <P>later</P> <P> </P> <P>Gengee</P>

[Troodon]

Indeed, thats all that is required. No on is angling for a functional ranged weapon: a symbol, device, even a holy handgrenade, any token item is all that anyone wants. <div></div>

[Hawgeous]

<DIV>Agreed, I have no desire to use a bow or any other ranged weapon but the fact that all other melee classes can gain a fair amount of strength, etc... by simply equiping a bow or some other ranged item is the only part that I have a rub with.</DIV>

[Ironbra]

  At the high end a range slot item is going to have anywhere around +10- +15 stats with around +40 to power and health.  Well that can be HUGE.   Any mt will tell you hp is hp and to take that away from a mt class really undercuts the whole class.   Am I confused or paranoid because we have have a horse spell nerfed but every other tank gets an extra slot that has stats and health?  Is there something out of whack there or is it just me?  As far as rpg wise it does not make since for us to have a bow- what does make since is a holy symbol which could be used for that slot. <div></div>

[Iustus]

<DIV>not to mention imbued bows now, which add their procs on ALL attacks, not just ranged attacks. Melee classes that can use bows get an extra 5% chance to proc every attack, if they choose to use it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-I</DIV>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<DIV>guys..I actually boxed a guard and let me tell you, even with a bow their stats are moderate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, hear me out. If you look at my posts I was the BIGGEST supporter of ranged slot item for the stats that we "lose."</DIV> <DIV>But the truth of the matter is that with our Crusade spell, or kazine's piety, we raise our stats by 22-25 points..thats more than any 3 bows combined. This neat spell is a crusader only spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At lvl 50 self-buffed I have better stats than ANY guard/bers/monk that I have come across. That also goes for the other lvl 50 Paladin in the guild, and hes an erudite. Even without my buffs I have better stats that the guild MT. It might be my equipment, if so I can take a screenshot of my gear and post it, although i have no clue how to do that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have 189 stre, 154 agi, 134 stam, 74 int and 115 wis</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>NOW, this is a comparison from lvl 40 up, not sure how lvl 39 and below compare..been a while.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Uzhiel, lvl 50 Paladin, Eternal Chaos, Faydark.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dwergux]

<span><blockquote><hr>uzhiel feathered serpent wrote:<div>guys..I actually boxed a guard and let me tell you, even with a bow their stats are moderate.</div> <div> </div> <div>Now, hear me out. If you look at my posts I was the BIGGEST supporter of ranged slot item for the stats that we "lose."</div> <div>But the truth of the matter is that with our Crusade spell, or kazine's piety, we raise our stats by 22-25 points..thats more than any 3 bows combined. This neat spell is a crusader only spell.</div> <div> </div> <div>At lvl 50 self-buffed I have better stats than ANY guard/bers/monk that I have come across. That also goes for the other lvl 50 Paladin in the guild, and hes an erudite. Even without my buffs I have better stats that the guild MT. It might be my equipment, if so I can take a screenshot of my gear and post it, although i have no clue how to do that.</div> <div> </div> <div>I have 189 stre, 154 agi, 134 stam, 74 int and 115 wis</div> <div> </div> <div>NOW, this is a comparison from lvl 40 up, not sure how lvl 39 and below compare..been a while.</div> <div> </div> <div>Uzhiel, lvl 50 Paladin, Eternal Chaos, Faydark.</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>You forget that our buffs can also be granted to that guardian with the awsome bow.</span><div></div>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

thats true, but they can also buff us with their def buffs..which equal out..they got some pretty nice buffs to dish out too. All im saying is that the stats things is actually a minute issue if you compare a guard and a paly with similar gear and with self buffs, we beat them in stats.

[Coho1]

 Just put some  throwing knives type stuff in that ammo slot. If you group and the scout gets low..you have some to give them.

[Hawgeous]

<P>Being a lvl 33 I can't speak for all but I have had a hard time keeping my str. within shouting distance of my zerk buddy.</P> <P>I realize he has some slight advantage due to different races but at this time I only have maybe two items total on my left and right side that do not have at least +3 or +4 str. and when I see the bow he has equiped which gives him about +6 to +8 str. it doesn't make sense to me. </P> <P>Who knows, based on what you are saying things may turn around soon and with my 33.5 buff that I got this week it adds around +17 str, agi, and wis when up its headed in the right direction.:smileyhappy:</P><p>Message Edited by Hawgeous on <span class=date_text>04-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:40 AM</span>

[Gnoishpa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TroodonIE wrote:<BR>...even a holy handgrenade...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>ROFL :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV>I want one!</DIV>