Paladin L20 trait advice?

[Turb]

Hi,Looked back to November in the messages and could see anything on this.Choices are:Herion's Protective Devotion - Adept II Ancient Pledge with more blocksKasine's Sanctified Prayer - Adept II Blessed Weapon with more divine procsArem's Enlightened Judgement - Adept II Power Cleave with a bonus healChesgard's Divine Portent - Adept II Righteous Anger with extra hateI use Ancient Pledge on the main tank a lot, so more blocks sounds useful, but no use solo as it seems you can't cast Ancient Pledge on yourself. Ancient Pledge cons orange at L20.I only have App I Blessed Weapon, and it doesn't seem to trigger much, and it cons blue at L20.I figure that if I'm using power cleave, I'm off tank, so don't need heals, and I have Adept I Power Cleave anyway. Power Cleave cons yellow at L20.If I'm tanking, more hate generation would be useful, and I only have Righteous Anger App 1. That said, I'm not losing aggro in fights yet, using Inflame, Zarn's Arrogant Challenge (My L10 trait pick) and Unyielding Advance in addition to DoF and buffs.So I don't see a clear 'winner'. If I'm offtanking more, maybe Herion's, if I'm soloing maybe Kasine's, and if I'm a group main tank maybe Chesgard's...Thoughts? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[prisoner]

<DIV>The power cleave upgrade rocks.  Using it and Blazing Faith at 30,  I can heal 80ish hps every time they both refresh.  Plus it seems to average around 80 dmg per swing and heals 59 or so at 30.  Using wards and these 2 attacks,  I can keep my life in the green almost all the time while soloing.  You'll get a new weapon proc buff in the mid 20's.  Its decent but nothing to oooh and aaahhhh over.  The other abilities look interesting,  but I can say Im very happy with the power cleave upgrade.  </DIV>

[Turb]

OK, thanks, I'll pick between that and the Blessed weapon upgrade then, which someone I met in-game liked (since that can have some effect if you're tanking with 1h and shield). Sounds like the Power Cleave upgrade is cool if you solo with a 2h weapon.They all sound useful in their own way, but I guess the benefit of the one you picked is most clearly visible, which is always nice too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You don't notice a divine proc here or there or an extra block here or there so much...

[Brancaleo]

<DIV>the power cleave upgrade really rocks and ... I don't know how to explain it .... you will use it  alot even if you use a 1h and shield :smileywink:</DIV>

[Deathspell]

Power Cleave requires a two-handed weapon.I don't get a Power Cleave action when I'm using sword/shield combination, not even for finishing HO's.For the record, I chose the Power Cleave upgrade <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Brancaleo]

<DIV>then I must be bugged as I can use Arem's Enlightened Judgement while using a 1h and shield, actually I use it all the time :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't doubt that power cleave requires a 2h, its the trait upgrade to power cleave that does not require it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it's a bug I really hope they won't fix it any time soon eheh</DIV>

[Deathspell]

Well, I said Power Cleave, but yes it works with the upgrade Arem's Enlighted Judgement <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Whitelo]

<DIV>Hi all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I picked :</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kasine's Sanctified Prayer - Adept II Blessed Weapon with more divine procs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And you can have it running at the same time as Blessed Weapon. 2x weapon procs, and that Barbarian racial cold proc. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It all helps.</DIV>

[Pnaxx]

<DIV>i took the same one as you...but we can use the prayer AND belssed weapon at same tyme? hmmmm</DIV>

[anterys]

<DIV>I took Chesgard's Divine Portent as it is nice dmg and, more importantly, increases hate.  My goal is to get as much hate as possible.</DIV>

[Pnaxx]

<DIV>welll...ur hate spell isn't working...i like ya!</DIV>

[RSZ]

<DIV>If you chose anything else than Arem's you're wasting a huge opportunity.</DIV>

[ManaByte]

Arem's Enlightened Judgement is awesome, and yes it currently works with a 1H weapon/shield combo.

[TormEQ2]

<DIV>Which might be bugged in some people's eyes <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Mine included.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[RSZ]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>I am glad I used it for 14 levels of awesome fun with shield equipped till people started screaming bug.  Now it is green to me so fix away.</FONT></DIV>

[anterys]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RSZ wrote:<BR> <DIV>If you chose anything else than Arem's you're wasting a huge opportunity.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I disagree.  Let others heal me.  My job is to build as much aggro as possible and this spell helps.

[mclo]

<DIV>Arem's Enlightened Judgement is great, when soloing blue and green mobs i can just about keep my health at > 90% throughout the whole fight. The heal it gives is extremely handy.</DIV>

[prisoner]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brancaleone wrote:<BR> <DIV>then I must be bugged as I can use Arem's Enlightened Judgement while using a 1h and shield, actually I use it all the time :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't doubt that power cleave requires a 2h, its the trait upgrade to power cleave that does not require it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it's a bug I really hope they won't fix it any time soon eheh</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Well that cat is out of the bag <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I was hoping it wouldn't be mentioned but oh well.  Enjoy it while you can. 

[prisoner]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> anterys wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RSZ wrote:<BR> <DIV>If you chose anything else than Arem's you're wasting a huge opportunity.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I disagree.  Let others heal me.  My job is to build as much aggro as possible and this spell helps.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Depends on your playstyle really.  If you group alot,  hate is good.  If you solo alot,  the heals you get from the attack is good.  I wonder though if you get any heal aggro from the attack.  Dmg + heal... hrmm interesting. 

[Pnaxx]

<DIV>I would think the Blessed weapon upgrade would be huge...cause that would help all ur stikes! never hurts to kill more efficiently!</DIV>

[Turb]

Well, I took the Blessed Weapon upgrade before I found out that Arem's worked for 1-handers. As an UPGRADE to Power Cleave? [FaarNerfed!] is that then? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Should have waited a bit longer for more replies to come in!The Blessed Weapon upgrade procs for around 50 damage when it hits. It gets reported as different things though in the damage log, sometimes as Blessed Weapon, sometimes as other things, which is weird. The rate varies too, I tested on greys and got 1 proc in 100 hits, but got more on non-greys. The only reason I took Blessed Weapon is cos it chips away more damage, and adds some hate, for 1h and 2h, whereas Arem's would only work its magic for 2h (so for off-tanks or soloers largely...). Heh, not.I guess by Level 35 I'll no longer be bitter, but I ain't rerolling for that <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[anterys]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> prisoner17 wrote:<BR> <BR> Depends on your playstyle really.  If you group alot,  hate is good.  If you solo alot,  the heals you get from the attack is good.  I wonder though if you get any heal aggro from the attack.  Dmg + heal... hrmm interesting. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed.  My play style is more group-based and I am often the MT.<BR>

[RSZ]

<DIV>With arem's strike damage and heal I don't think you will lose hate, and the heal makes a difference in a long fight.  If you use it 5 times or so you get a 250ish health benefit for free.  Arem and horse bugs make us uber 20+.</DIV>

[ghosthamm]

<DIV>Arem's by far best choice, hands down. for the power cost(cheap 18?)it is one of your hardest hitting attacks at lvl 20 plus it heals you, you will have upgrades to blessed weapon and a bunch of spells to increase hate down the road , but you'll be using this one(1h or 2h) for awhile. There really shouldn't be much choice in your decision, im glad i posted this question awhile back and some one gave me this good advice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[RSZ]

<DIV>Yes, for Paladins there's absolutely no argument as to what to choose at 20.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pally guide should have this in big bold letters <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Pnaxx]

<DIV>I WANT A DO-OVER!!!!!!!!:smileymad:</DIV>