Bad thing.

[Deltree_c]

<DIV>Well I found out in my group last night that Lay Hands can indeed fizzle. Twice in a row, in fact. At a most inopportune time.  (Heartfelt apologies to the tank in that group if he catches this.)  Is there a fix for this coming up? I thought I read in a patch message that shadowknight Harm Touch couldn't fizzle...ranks about a 9 on the 'whoops' scale, if it's just an oversight.</DIV>

[RAYVEN2]

<DIV>Agreed.  Having the Ghoulbane usable by all sword wielding classes is another mistake that gets a 9 on the scale from me.  </DIV>

[Sheerz]

<DIV>I bugged the fizzling of LoH the first time it happened, so perhaps if more would bug it?</DIV> <DIV>And that GB is usable by all who can wield a sword.. might be the lesser version, but i'm pretty sure that the final version won't be, it IS a holy sword after all.. or should be, we'll have to wait and see until someone has the final version to pass judgement.</DIV>

[Procelli]

<DIV>Ok...stop it.  An IKSAR paladin?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I mean C'mon...please?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Human Paladin...yes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dwarf Paladin....yes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Halfling Paladin....maybe (Think Mazzy Fenton)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IKSAR Paladin?....no way!  Iksar are EVIL (truly...EVIL) </DIV> <DIV>No amount of Roleplay is possible to explain this aberation)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I ever see an ogre Pally....I'll puke.</DIV>

[Krikey]

Lol, well I'm a Troll Paladin <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Deltree_c]

<DIV>You're looking at two right now. Looks like <EM>you're</EM> the minority.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The times they are a'changing. It's not too late for <EM>you </EM>to repent!</DIV>

[Bladezil]

<DIV>I am a level 26 Ogre Paladin on Najena. Come puke.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#330099 size=4>- Bladezilla Killa -</FONT></DIV>

[asteldian]

<DIV>Like Delta just said, the times are changeing.  The irony of an Iksar saying how ghoulbane is a holy blade and should only be usable by a paladin.  (shrug) pally isnt what it used to be, the very fact an iksar, troll or anyone can be one is perversed.  Very different game to EQ1, ghoulbane isnt a holy blade and a pally is not much of a noble knight anymore</DIV>

[Deltree_c]

<DIV>Iksar are perfectly capable of nobility.  Anyone is.  And not just because of a <FONT color=#ffff99><STRONG>2g</STRONG></FONT> fine for saying the wrong thing to the wrong person. Oh no.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But back on topic...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've noticed that any time I fizzle a spell now (which seems incredibly often since yesterday), it always fizzles exactly twice, and often for spells that I haven't fizzled or upgraded in 4 or 5 levels.  It's quite bothersome.</DIV>

[Bladezil]

<DIV>I bet my Ogre Paladin makes most of your Human, Wood Elf, Half Elf, High Elf whatever Paladins look like a joke. Keep on dogging (Evil Race) Paladins who have put more work into their characters then you prolly ever will, and you will show yourself as the newbie you are. We worked for our Paladins.. betrayal quest may not be "difficult" but it was no walk in the park.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#330099 size=4>- Bladezilla Killa -</FONT></DIV></DIV>

[djhbeek]

<DIV>stupidest thing is when Call of Qeynos fizzles ... i mean, if you were using it, you were obviously safe, so it's just a meaningless irritation when your try to get to your appt so that you can sell for the night ...</DIV>

[asteldian]

<DIV>Im well aware of the effort you put in o the betrayal quest, its just evil race becoming a pally goes against a lot of what a pally is, so then saying as a holy blade ghoulbane should be pally only is just wrong, the fact that anyone can be a pally makes the class no more special or worthy of the sword than anyone else doing the quest.</DIV>

[ThirdWiza]

A Paladin Iksar is just as holy, if not holier, than a High Elf Paladin.

[Bladezil]

<DIV>The path of the paladin is a holy knight. Anyone can walk the path but they can also give it up and walk the path of Monk or Guardian.. it is a choice. It is a journey. If an Ogre walks the path, he is just as good as a half elf or whatever. Keep giving close minded comments and people will just start to ignore you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Ghoulbane is traditionaly a Holy Blade. Paladin only in EQ1. You want to talk about "roleplaying" and crud, but don't want the Ghoulbane to be Paladin only? Make up your mind.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#330099 size=4>- Bladezilla Killa -</FONT></DIV>

[asteldian]

<DIV>No, atm i dont want to specifically talk about roleplay, my point is what you just made-Ghoulbane was holy blade in EQ1 for pally only, Pally in EQ! was pure of heart, ultimate good and there was no way any kind of evil race could dream of becoming.  This is not EQ1, yes Ghoulbane is back, yes the paladin is back, but they are not the same as they were</DIV>

[Deltree_c]

<DIV>I'd have to argue that the entire struggle to shed off one's entire life for devotion to the other side should nullify any racial implications.  Expecting races to be completely cut-and-dry all the time in all regards is ridiculous. No one is born/hatched with a set protocol on how to behave, and defiance for the better is an acceptable decision.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But anyway. In summary.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Loh and CoQ need fixin'. It's not like fizzling these two drains power (does it?) but it can be annoying/disasterous regardless.  And, uh, could anyone post about what level the Ghoulbane should be attempted/acquired, so I don't have to go digging for an answer?</DIV>

[JarredDarque]

<DIV>honestly  I see no reason that there cnanot be n Iksar Pally,  perhaps he needs to come up with a decent background or something, but still, who is to say he has not 'seen' the light, the error of the ways of his race and vows to set things right.  granted I still think the betrayel quest should be harder, but I dont see any reason they cant be a pally.  I also think that the quest to make pally should be excessively harder, i.e.  [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] near impossible.</DIV>

[Vidha]

<DIV>I've been roleplaying a paladin for 20+ years, pen and paper, single player pc games, multiple mmorpgs, etc.  The defining characteristic of a paladin has never been whether or not the paladin was holy and able to directly communicate with a deity, whether or not they they were pious to absurdity, or any other ridiculous thing for which paladins have been disparaged.  The definition of a paladin is of a holy knight, who IS pious, who courageously fights against evil, and for justice.  A paladin will not tolerate evil, and will never stand idly by and allow evil to gain a single step in the struggle while the paladin still draws breath.  A paladin is virtuous, honest, valiant, and compassionate, and seeks to further the cause of good whereever its possible to do so.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's nothing to say that a character who by birth comes from a race known to be evil, no matter how hideously so, cannot overcome the accident of their birth.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by Vidharr on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>11:58 PM</span>

[Sel]

<DIV>Iksar as a race arent evil....its the culture they grow up in that makes them think that way... race "might" give them a tendancy to be more agressive, but still they arent evil and can easily be a paladin.</DIV>

[Paladin776]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ThirdWizard wrote:<BR>A Paladin Iksar is just as holy, if not holier, than a High Elf Paladin.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> OMG....Don't let the High Elves hear you say something like that....They're nearly insufferable as it is.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Vulkan_NTooki]

<DIV>Anyone who disagrees about "evil" races becoming paladins should read the books about Drizz't by R.A.Salvatore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do believe the path should be a tad more tedious tho.. They should spend about 5-10 lvls as outcasts. I.e. No home town.</DIV>