Range slot Useless?

[mighte]

<DIV>I realize that as a Paladin we cannot use ranged weapons of any sort, we have a DD to pull and do ranged damage.  However, has anyone found an item we can equip in our range to add the stats we lose out on?  It seems unfair for us to lose out on a slot to get stats?  Are there idols like on EQ live?  If not maybe we could petition for ICONS or something to fill the gap</DIV>

[creepazoid4]

<DIV>What is EQ Live and how is it different that Everquest 1???  I stopped playing eq soon after Planes of Power came out.</DIV>

[Greys]

<DIV> <DIV>EQ Live is Everquest 1.  EQ1 is just most commonly refered to as EQ Live.</DIV></DIV>

[Talvar]

<DIV>It really doesn't make much sense to refer to EQ1 as EQLive anymore, because both EQ1 and EQ2 are now live.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the original question, I haven't found anything to go in the ranged slot yet.  I'm only level 17 though.</DIV>

[Theo]

<DIV>absolutly agree this bogus garbage ... why shouldnt we be able to use a bow ?? the stinking thick headed warriors get to use them and we cant .. WEAK SAUCE. .. i did the quest in willowood and chose the bow cause the only other items were the duel wield weapons also things given to warriors and not us <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .. figureing i could use the bow later on... nope come to find out SOE forgot about us and went on to better things <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> they better give us a rocket launcher of a spell later on to make up for it!</DIV>

[creepazoid4]

<DIV>Yeah,  I've been playing Eq since 2000,  I don't ever recall hearing EQ live,  at first I thought EQ Live was referring to the Playstation 2 version lol....</DIV>

[thehunterhunt]

<DIV>I agree, there's no reason why a Paladin can't use a bow!</DIV>

[Nos]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> thehunterhunted wrote:<BR> <DIV>I agree, there's no reason why a Paladin can't use a bow!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>There is plenty of reason to why they cant use, but it is from a Roleplaying point of view. I am not realy a RPer, but I agree, Paladin shouldnt be able to use a bow. Range attack isnt suited for a "holy" knight. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, we can use range spells, but, again RP reasons, we channel the power of our god to do it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, RP apart, I wonder if Totems could be used in the range slot. </DIV>

[Gilasil]

<blockquote><hr>creepazoid420 wrote:<DIV>Yeah,  I've been playing Eq since 2000,  I don't ever recall hearing EQ live,  at first I thought EQ Live was referring to the Playstation 2 version lol....</DIV><hr></blockquote>Me too. Took me awhile to catch on that EQ was now called EQLive. I think people should just call it EQ1. Less confusion that way. The marketers run SoE. They're always doing crap like that.Anyway, I always figured they couldn't use ranged weapons for a combination of balance and RP (EQ1/2 ARE called ROLEPLAYING GAMES after all). No paladin would stoop to such a cowardly way of combat. You trade blows man to man (or woman in these liberated times) if you're a paladin.When EQ1 first released paladins couldn't use ranged weapons there either (I started a pally 3 days after release and remember). They changed things to allow paladins to use bows a few months after release.If there are no stat items that fit in that slot, then hopefully the special pally buffs and such would be adjusted upwards a small amount to take that into account.<p>Message Edited by Gilasil on <span class=date_text>11-26-2004</span> <span class=time_text>09:48 AM</span>

[Dakbu]

<DIV>No need to fret boys and girls.  I guarantee something will go in that slot eventually to give us stats.  In the mean time we can still stomp a warrior into the group and laugh at him with full health.  I don't mind that a warror gets a bow, what else is he gunna pull with??  Taunt??  We get a nuke and a horse and lots of other goodies that he can only drool over.  Give us everything and we will only get nurfed later.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, anyone who has trolled mesage boards for more than a few months should know the EQ Live refers to EQ1, having said that I never refer to it as EQ Live... just EQ1 =)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Spirit]

<DIV>EQLive = Newbies</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ1 = Oldbies</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileywink:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Spirited on <span class=date_text>11-28-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:17 PM</span>

[Theo]

<DIV> <DIV>EQLive = Newbies</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ1 = Oldbies</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>[Removed for Content] perfectly put</DIV> <DIV> DING! ( youve gotton better at makeing comments (2,000)! )</DIV></DIV>

[mighte]

<DIV>Ok I know I should have called EQ Everquest 1.  Even that sounds stupid I'd rather call it EQ.  All I wanted to know was if we were ever going to be able to have an item go into our range slot or if we were outta luck.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-and for the record I'd hardly call myself a newbie</DIV>

[Michealt]

<DIV>We should not be able to use a Bow , or spear, or throwing daggers,  However........................whe should be allowed to use A Crossbow or throwing hammers.  That is more along the line of the holy knight.  </DIV>

[Lawman]

<DIV>Im finding it a little restrictive...  I mean.... what can we use?  Swords... ok...   No spears, axes, bows... [Removed for Content]?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ive still to find something better than the class pally 2H..  Ideas?  Levells 19-25 with the same weapon because theres Nothing that Ive seen out there besides them... All paladins Ive seen are still carrying them.  Nothing is for sale, even on the black market..  ARE there 2H weapons out there?  Ive levelled in SH, TS, VS... nothing ever dropped..   and dont even get me started on Paladin Adepts..  Up to level 25, Ive seen ONE drop.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Meanwhile, a fighter can use all kinds of weapons, and even dual weild...  I saw a **ZOMG** fighter with so many weapons he couldnt decide... Im stuck with the same **ZOMG** one for 6 levels..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And as far as RP goes, my paladins have always had a bow.  In the old days (paper and pencil) we even had holy bows, Paladin only..   I dont see the connection between RP and Bow use..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> -Law</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Michealt]

<DIV>Guys guys,  they are simply applying the rules of the paladin to the game.  If you know about a paladin they are priest who granted by god to use the sword.  Priest are restricted to not use bladed weapons...........they are restricted.  They can not use piercing weapons .  Bottom line.  Giving them a bow was a jerk anyway in EQ 1  ......Throwing hammers they should be able to use .</DIV>

[per]

<DIV>a bow is not a noble weapon, even if most of noble fighters knew how to use a bow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>we can t use a bow, ok i m fine with that, but give us a... crossbow so <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> paladins can use a crossbow and i think the look will be much more better with a crossbow than a simple and common bow <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Theo]

<DIV>omg it doesnt even have to be a weapon .. why is everyone mainstreaming range = dmg . we get nukes .. we use them to pull or can .. thats our range atk. .. i dunno i was thinking along the lines of a charm .. or an idol something to put in that slot for at least the stats. </DIV>

[Hak]

<DIV>The only thing I use those slots for is to hold extra arrows for my ranger buddies. As far as ranged weapons I don't miss them at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=7>HAKON</FONT></DIV>

[mighte]

<DIV>I was hoping we could get a noble icon or something like a little statue of our "diety" or of the ruler of Qeynos with decent stats.</DIV>

[Theo]

<DIV>aye something .. im not really upset about not getting a bow or cross bow .. or some heavy hammer to throw around .. but we have an empty slot here guys .. thats weak sauce for sure .. </DIV>

[creepazoid4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Michealton wrote:<BR> <DIV>Guys guys,  they are simply applying the rules of the paladin to the game.  If you know about a paladin they are priest who granted by god to use the sword.  Priest are restricted to not use bladed weapons...........they are restricted.  They can not use piercing weapons .  Bottom line.  Giving them a bow was a jerk anyway in EQ 1  ......Throwing hammers they should be able to use .</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <DIV>I like the warcraft 3 depiction of a Paladin.  2 handed sword with a Book of Healing,  or 2 handed Hammer w/ a Book of Healing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think Paladins should get to use duel wield,  spears,  and polearms.  That is just plain silly,  but DON'T take away our ranged slot it makes us lose out on Stats/AC.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The point of this post was to understand why we are losing out on the range slot.  We need those stats!</DIV>

[EQ2_Palad]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i am by no mean justifing the fact that we have useless slot . Back in the days of old "knights" refused to use a bow because they felt it lacked honor and was a weapon they would "lower" themselves to use. Now that is said you would think that if paladin couldnt or wouldnt use a bow they would replace that slot with something woudl could use.  May we could quest for a "holy tome" that would "help" us in some way</DIV>

[Darchang]

You should be ashamed of yourself! What kind of coward hides behind a tree and uses a bow?! Not a noble knight! God forbid! A knight is proud, brave and not afraid to face danger face-to-face instead of at a safe distance so as not to ruffle our armor. Why would you even ask such a question? Only a coward hides behind ranged attacks (i.e., finger-wigglers). A knight is secure with his faith and knows that his God is his only true strength. He is not afraid to step first into the black dungeon air, or taunt the towering beast to protect his party, or step in front of a charging dragon to protect his priest, his right and might will win the day because of the blessings of his God.FIGHT NOT FOR THE GLORY! FIGHT FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT FIGHT FOR THEMSELFVES! It is the Paladin way.Valoric Soulseer - Level 22 Human Paladin Permafrost Server

[Theja]

<DIV>I dont care that we're not able to use bows, crossbows, daggers, polearms, spears and what have you, but we should really be able to use throwing hammers, its part of the paladin's history. If that option isn't given to us, we definitly need something to fill our range slot as we'll be trailing behind in statistics to the other melee classes with the same equipment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We're already being screwed on the Tower Shields issue, l really hope we're not being screwed on the range slot as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jokalaylau</DIV> <DIV>31 Paladin</DIV> <DIV>Oasis</DIV>

[Darchang]

Why do you feel that we are being "screwed"? Come on people. PALADINS ARE A HYBRID CLASS. They will never be as strong as a professional warrior or as good a healer as a Cleric. Never. So quit comparing Paladins to Warriors! Paladins have the best of both worlds and we are getting screwed??? Fighters can't heal themselves or their parties. They don't have the buffs that we do. They don't get Holy Steeds or any "presige" real or virtual like Paladins do. Clerics are no where near as good a fighters as Paladins. They can't use edged weapons (Paladins may use both blunt and edged weapons). They can't taunt (nor would they want to). They don't do well as tanks. Common people! If you want to be able to do everything that every other player class can do, and be a total uber fighter/cleric/rogue etc., then go create your own game that does just that. Of course, noone will ever play any other class because it would just plain suck. Why is everyone so darn unhappy with the choice of character they play??? Give it a rest already!Paladins rock! If you don't like them, don't play them!Valoric Soulseer - Level 22 Human Paladin - Permafrost Server

[Ghu]

<DIV>Guys, read the thread title, it has nothing to do with wanting a ranged item we can use.. it has to do with having one less slot than every other class for a stat item.</DIV>

[Dea]

<DIV>While I can grudgingly understand why Crusaders and Paladins cannot use missile/thrown weopons we should be able to use a spear.  Historically and in every roleplaying system I've ever played they spear has always been an option.  I was rather annoyed to find that I couldn't use a spear (read lance) from the back of my horse!  The weopon restriction is quite severe, we can only use Sword or Mallet.  We cannot use dagger, axe, spear, staff, thrown weopons or missile weopons.  We also cannot dual weopons though why not has me befuddled.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What annoys me the most is that access to weopons (or the lack of it) would have affected the class I chose.  I chose Paladin as, according to the manual (both with the box set and "updated" online version) we should have access to the following; Axe, Sword, Polearm, Flail, Hammer, Mace, Staff and more.  It should just read Sword, Flail, Hammer Mace.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They should correct this error more poeple don't spend wasted time trying to figure out why they cannot use a bow or spear or whatever!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Crusaders/Paladins should be able to use spear (lance) and dual weopons at least.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's my gripe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Elfric, lvl 20 Paladin</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[DarkFire9020]

<DIV>I would think we could use the throwing hammers since that's apart of a paladin lore wise. The rest of the stuff I agree no need for any of it. Maybe later on we will get a special hammer we can throw who knows?</DIV><p>Message Edited by DarkFire9020 on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>12:56 AM</span>

[Dea]

<DIV>About the thrown hammer thing, it's not really what I see as being Paladin like, although I could understand why Dwarven Paladin would like to do so.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My Paladin is a High Elf so going about throwing hammers at people my be considered a little unseemly by my High Elven Peers! :smileywink:</DIV>

[YoD]

<DIV>at lev 24 my Delaclar's sword became white to me...so I bought a pristine carbonite claymore for about 60 silver...better damage, but delay is 2.2 instead of 2.0. also available is the greatsword...more damage but delay is 2.5</DIV><p>Message Edited by YoDoc on <span class=date_text>12-18-2004</span> <span class=time_text>06:21 AM</span>

[LordUlr]

<DIV>I agree that its unfair to not allow us to have something to equip in the range slot.  I like the idea of the EQ1 idols.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also want a lance <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ulric</DIV>

[Omag]

<DIV>Well I hope they do some thing with the slot lol.. I would like some thing like Idol of The truthBringer!... =P seeing as how my Paladin is a Barbarian and he follows Marr.. Any ways i havent seen many weapons or Adepts drop for Paladins alot of other classes get their adepts and other goodies but The Paladin class you never see your adepts drop i would like to see just one of my adepts just one and i will be happy =P i have to buy them untill then very unhappy with the drops on the adept spells... but me for one i like the life of A Paladin and lossing the bow isnt a big thing i just dont like having an slot that i cant fill.. any ways Have a good one =P be safe all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ParsecRunn]

<DIV>I would like to see the Ranged Slot being used for something like a Holy Banner that is strapped to our backs, giving either us or our group bonuses.  kinda like rallying the group under one banner <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Collin MacLeod</DIV> <DIV>20 paladin</DIV> <DIV>Lucan</DIV>

[Roble]

<DIV>I can live without a bow.  But why can paladins not use a lance?  We should even get a bonus using it while on horseback.  It would be cool to see a charging paladin with a lance.</DIV>

[Wileycoyote]

<DIV>The odd thing is this....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I had 2 characters on Beta..... One was a mystic, but shortly before the servers went down i created a barbarian crusader. During my time as a crusader, I acquired ( cant remember how) the equipment to throw hammers. I was able to equip and use this, however, my throwing hammer damage was 1 point , so it was a bit of a waste of time really. Personally, I like the spells.... guess it must have been a beta bug. I havent tried getting any ranged stuff, as i know we cant use the bow, and the hammer experience sucked :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anem, 26 Paladin, Kithicor</DIV>

[Darchang]

Folks, just because we have an available range slot doesn't mean that we CAN use it or SHOULD use it or even need it. And to say we are "gimped" or "slighted" in some way because of this is just plain daft.Read all the boards for various classes. Every class, and I mean every one, screams bloody murder if one class has something another class does not, and they claim that their class is "gimped" because of it. Believe it or not, some of the other classes that are able to utilize these slots actually may NEED those slots in order to have their class balanced with other classes. Or it may just be part of the extras you get for certain classes (Rangers - bows whereas Paladins - Holy Steeds - yes I know the Holy Steed doesnt use the ranged slot, this is just to make my point).JUST BECAUSE THE SLOT EXISTS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE NEED IT OR THAT OUR CLASS IS GIMPED BECAUSE OF IT.We may eventually get something that will go into those slots at higher levels. In EQ1, there were some ranged drops that any class could use that weren't actually ranged items. For instance: My Paladin in EQ1 found several of those green gnoll gems that dropped in East Karana near the gnoll hole. It was a range slot item, and it gave me a +2 to poison defense, if I recall. So, I'm sure that we will find similar items in EQ2 as we progress, but even if we don't, it may just be because we don't need them, nothing more.Valoric Soulseer - Level 22 Paladin - Permafrost Server