Parsing

[Squigglle]

<DIV>I was just parsing and checked out my stats whe we were killing a named in ruins of varsoon. we had a lvl 70 temp mentoring a lvl 30, we had a lvl 30 bard, a lvl 29 illusionist, and me the lvl 28 sk. i out dpsed them by few hundred and total damage did over 3k more. pretty good id say with only 2 adept spells and 1 master</DIV>

[Antryg Mistrose]

Team effort:Bard - lots of group buffsIllusionist - haste & dynamismWe are not a dps class, but as the tank, often get some nice buffs.If you had a real dps class, they wouldn't have buffed you, and the real dpser would have been vastly higher than yours.So lose the parser - in groups they add NOTHING, their only use is for solo (to maximise your dps) or raids<div></div>

[Norrsken]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Antryg Mistrose wrote:<BR>Team effort:<BR>Bard - lots of group buffs<BR>Illusionist - haste & dynamism<BR><BR>We are not a dps class, but as the tank, often get some nice buffs.<BR><BR>If you had a real dps class, they wouldn't have buffed you, and the real dpser would have been vastly higher than yours.<BR><BR>So lose the parser - in groups they add NOTHING, their only use is for solo (to maximise your dps) or raids<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Parsers are also a nice way to prune out the lazy [Removed for Content] that aren even pushing buttons. Stuff like assassins doing less than 100 dps means that spot should be filled by someone else. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I dont care if people dont max out, but I do care if they are just along for the ride on af and afk most of the time.

[Beldin_]

<P>Its sometimes just "interesting" do look at the logs, some weeks ago the warden with whom i often duoed the nest was in a group with another SK and noticed that the SK always loosed aggro, when they went into Nest i asked him to have a look at the logfile after they finish the zone. So the result was .. the SK did 250 dps zonewide ... i do 750 when i duo the nest .. i can't even imagine what you have to do ( or not to do) to do only 250 :smileysurprised:</P> <P>Things also can be frustrating from another view .. when i see for example that my SK made 860 dps in an Aca run .. and my 70 Conjurer only does 650 there .. i already lost fun in the conjurer a long time ago when i fell in love with the SK .. but that was again another nail in the coffin :smileysad:</P>

[Cichlasoma]

<DIV>The bard was probably a dirge, which is why you parsed so well. Especially since Dirges use the same type to attack with and debuff(disease) It also helps that the illusionist is more of a crowd control class than DPS. I don't really want to burst your bubble, but i can understand why you parsed so well. Take the bard out of the group and add a bruiser and parse again and see how you end up. Especially when you state "<FONT color=#3399ff>Squigglle wrote: pretty good id say with only 2 adept spells and 1 master<FONT color=#ffffff>"</FONT></FONT><BR></DIV>

[Squigglle]

nope wasnt dirge, was trudobour or whatever. and yes i have had lazy [Removed for Content] in groups lol. i had a wizard higher lvl then me getting lower dps then my ranger and he was 3 lvls higher then me. also had a conjuruer getting out dpsed in a permafrost raid by a templer!!!! i was getting about 450-500 soemtimes higher dps with my lvl 40 wiz, the conjurer was getting 120! [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!! LOL<p>Message Edited by Squigglle on <span class=date_text>12-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:33 PM</span>

[Danimal24]

<P>Secret to looking good in your group.... have a troub with you. spell procs, jesters cap, hate redux for the rest of the group. Tanking Obelisk and Crypt with my troub along, I generaly parse 800-1400 depending on how many mobs I pull, spiking up to 2k on named when I used PT, so the hate redux isn't really necessary, but it helps mellow out the spike damage caused by some.</P> <P>I like to post my parse to encourage the "DPS" classes that can't beat the tank in defensive stance :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Beldin_]

There is one easy explanation why you can often outdamage wizards, warlocks or whatever .. you don't have to care about aggro, and normally you start doing your damage 5 seconds before they do .. and when they are finished casting a 4 second AoE most of the mobs are often already dead <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Norrsken]

<DIV>I like outdpsing dpsers. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> As a tank, I am in the position to pull what makes me look good, and as a sk, that is grouped heroic mobs. Preferably 2-3 groups of 3-4 in each. And then I hammer my AEs. My dps skyrockets, and the poor assassins and wizards have problems keeping up due to the target I am on dropping so fast. A warlock OTOH will, as long as they even bother to push buttons, outdps me by the double in this situation. So the warlocks love my way of crazy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] tanking. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>So the parses with me is usually Warlock, Me, Scout/Wiz, healer. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Eluzay]

<div><blockquote><hr>roxer2b wrote:<div>I like outdpsing dpsers. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> As a tank, I am in the position to pull what makes me look good, and as a sk, that is grouped heroic mobs. Preferably 2-3 groups of 3-4 in each. And then I hammer my AEs. My dps skyrockets, and the poor assassins and wizards have problems keeping up due to the target I am on dropping so fast. A warlock OTOH will, as long as they even bother to push buttons, outdps me by the double in this situation. So the warlocks love my way of crazy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] tanking. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div>So the parses with me is usually Warlock, Me, Scout/Wiz, healer. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>yeah when it comes to group combat a lot of the dps classes take a second seat, but I wouldnt trade them for the world, what I attack is dying so fast, the rest is just bonus damage.I post parse in groups a lot because it motivates people, esp when the SK is at the top, dpsers get offended and start opening up more. I hate it when I am the MT and the only one in the group waiting for power.</div>

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

<DIV>Bards & Illusionists typically are not DPS. I have a 70 sk with all masters & alll fabled, and I have a dirge I 2box with that has a few masters and mostly claymore gear & a few pieces of relic. Bard + SK is an awesome combo, bards have to work VERY hard to do exceptional dps, they are buffbots and have some nice debuffs too.</DIV>