Shadowknight EoF AA List Detail by Tree : Hate [Archive]

MirageKnight

11-24-2006, 01:05 PM

<DIV><PRE>Still mixed with BETA information as I don't have enough AA to test out though still might help. Live AA might be different from this informations and subjected to change. </PRE><PRE> H 1 R 1 D 1 / / / / / / H 2 R 4 R 2 D 2 | / / / | | / / / | | H 3 R 3 D 4 | | / / / / / / | | / | | / | | / | | | H 4 | | R 5 | | D 5 | | D 3 | | / | | / | | / | | | | | | | | | | / | | | | | | | | | | / | | | | | | | | | | / H 5 H 6 R 7 R 6 D 7 D 6 H 7 R 8 D 8 </PRE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Detail by Tree</DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hate </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>H 1 : Enchance : Dark Caress - Increases Taunt Amount by 5% per rank : cost 1 per rank, max 5 ranks</DIV><PRE>lv66 Nefarious Caress (Master I) Rank 0 1 2 3 4 5 Amount 0 5% 10% 15% 20% 25% Threat 97 102 107 111 116 121 (+5%) (+25%) +24</PRE> <DIV>[ISSUE] </DIV> <DIV><STRIKE></STRIKE> </DIV> <DIV>TESTED in grp; result as expected. No one include me feels difference even its working or not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, first of all starting hate is increased from 92 to 97. But compared to other class version, it's still 1/5. Shadowknight Guardian Berserker 97 threat 478 threat 478 threat I'm not sure why this number is kept so low instead of at least having 1/3 of what other class can do. 24 more hate after spending 5 AA point is just ridicurous. Developer MUST address this BASE spell first before adjusting this AA . Even with new boosted dmg part of this spell, total hate ratio of SK : guardian : berserker is still 1 : 3.25 : 4.5-5.3 With this AA maxed ratio is still 1 : 2.8 : 3.86-4.6, still underpowered. This looks more like where starting should be. This AA need to raise BOTH of hate and dmg part to be something worthwhile. 97threat + 49 dmg (@ INT 221) = 149 hate 149 hate x 25% = 186.25 hate 186 - 149 = 37 hate Though still 186 vs 170... seems raising both won't help much either. I guess have to make to higher % like 10% (which make 145 hate at 5AA) to see some difference. This AA basically provide 5 more threat per AA spent. If SK think 1 AA = 5 more threat per getting 1 hit worth something then this would be for him. But I'm sure majority won't think only 5 more threat by spending 1 AA worthwhile. Still pretty much worthless AA because of the base of the spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>H 2 : Enchance : Blasphemy II - Reduces Resistability by 10% per rank : cost 1 per rank, max rank 3</DIV> <DIV>[BUG] Name of spell not indicating which spell lv70 is Sacrilege, Blasphemy is lv50!!</DIV></DIV><PRE>Require H 1 rank 3 [TESTED]</PRE><PRE>lv64 Sacrilege (Master II) Rank 0 1 2 3 Amount 10% 20% 30% Resistability 43% Harder 50% 58% 65% (+7%) (+15%) (+22%)</PRE><PRE>[BUG] Same as before change; actual (displayed) amount increasing is not matching the description. If 30% more then Master II should be 73% where this AA only making 65%, 8% difference.</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>H 3 : Enchance : Insidious Promise - Reduces Resistability by 10% per rank : cost 1 per rank, max 5 ranks </PRE><PRE>Require H 2 rank 3 [TESTED] or R 3 rank 3 [TESTED] lv59 spell Insidious Promise (Master I) Rank 0 1 2 3 Descrption Amount 10% 20% 30% Resistability 41% 48% 56% 63% (+7%) (+18%) (+22%) [BUG] Same as before change; actual (displayed) amount increasing is not matching the description. If 30% more then Master I should be 71% where this AA only making 63%, 8% difference.</PRE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>H 4 : Enchance : Rescue - Increases Hate Positions by 1 on Rescue : cost 2 per rank, max 3 ranks</DIV><PRE>Require H 2 rank 2 [TESTED] Require H 3 rank 2 [TESTED] lv25 spell Rescue (Master I) Rank 0 1 2 3 Position 3 4 5 6 </PRE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>[CONCERN] Hard to test these kinda of AA. For me, it's pretty much worthless AA too. Spending 2AA each rank for this ability is ridiculous in my honst opinion. Place holder AA for BIG cost.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>H 5 : Enchance : Venomous Slam - Increases Taunt & Damage by 3% : cost 1 per rank, max 5 ranks</DIV><PRE>Require H 3 rank 2 [TESTED] Require H 4 rank 3 [TESTED] [BUG] From H3 need 2 AA, where H4 need 6 AA spent to take this AA. Different amount by path. lv69 spell Venomous Slam (Master I) *dmg part , tested @ STR 360 Rank 0 1 2 3 4 5 Amount 3% 6% 9% 12% 15% Disase dmg 166-278 171-286 (3%-2.8%) 176-294 181-303 186-311 191-319 (+25-41 dmg) Threat instant 731 753 (3%) 774 796 818 840 (+109 threat) every 3sec 292 301 (3%) 309 318 327 336 (+44 threat) [COMMNET] Result of: 25-41 more dmg 109 threat 44 every 3sec</PRE><PRE>upgrade from origintal, 30sec castable combat art. It comes down as preference if this worth your AA or not, which is good way AA implementation in my opinion. </PRE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>H 6 : Enchance : Death March - Improves reuse speed of Death March by <STRIKE>3</STRIKE> 5sec : cost 1 per rank, max 5 ranks</DIV><PRE>Require H 3 rank 2 [TESTED] or R 5 rank 2 [TESTED] While H 3 need 2 AA spent, R5 need 3 AA spent. Amount by path seems not matching. [BUG/ISSUE] lv58 spell Death March Rank 0 1 2 3 4 5 Decrease Amount 5sec 10sec 15sec 20sec 25sec Theoretical 180sec 175sec 170sec 165sec 160sec 155sec (3min) (2min35sec) </PRE> <DIV><PRE>[COMMENT] </PRE><PRE>....right, 3 sec to 5 sec now. Which made 15sec to 25sec from 180sec. Which is about 1/7 reduction... not sure if this is some kinda joke. Well sure it was some kind of improvement from 1/12 reduction to 1/7 recast reduction from original. Still want to make SK pay 5 AA for 25sec reduction off 3min (180sec) spell? This is still ridicurous... Increase reduction per rank to 12sec at least. </PRE><PRE>FYI, 1/4 of 180sec is 45sec which is 9sec per rank... 1/3 of 180 is 60sec which is 12sec per rank. </PRE><PRE> </PRE></DIV> <DIV>H 7 : Enchance : Siphon Hate - Transfers 3% of group members (AE) current threat to caster : cost 1 per rank, max 1 ranks (Untill Cancelled)</DIV> <DIV> Require 20AA spent in Hate Tree [TESTED] [ISSUE] DEVELOPER, we got a problem. H 1 : 5 AA H 2 : 3 AA H 3 : 3 AA H 4 : 6 AA (for only 3position) H 5 : 5 AA H 6 : 5 AA (for only 25sec of 180sec) Total : 27 AA</DIV><PRE>Because of rank reduction of H 2 and H 3, in order to take this AA, SK has to waste AA on totally useless AA like H 4 or H 6 currently. Please make these AA more appealing or add another AA to match up. </PRE></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Rank 1 3% </DIV></DIV> [BUG/ISSUE] Not casting animation nor particle effects upon casting. Not working at all or amount is too small to notice. Pretty weak and useless end tree AA. TESTED in group at lv72-3 zone. 30min without 30min with. Grp format : SK FURY WIZ WLK BRI RNG Couldn't feel any difference myself. No one in group too could tell the difference, when on or off. Another session at lv70-2 instance. 30min without, 30min with. Grp format SK TEMP MYSTIC WIZ BRI RNG RNG Same result. Couldn't feel any difference myself. No one in group too could tell the difference, when on or off. Typical can be good ability but poorly implemented ability. If working as is, hate amount is too small to tell or feel any difference. More healers in group will probably make lower efficiency of this ability. Need like 10% at 3rd rank to tell difference. [COMMENT] This Siphon Hate works like similar to PAL's amend spell, but different in many parts if adjusted properly. Currently, PAL's amend works as having 2 different parts. 1) For own (PAL) hate generation utility. 2) As protectin onto one group member by lowering aggro Though PAL can use this seperately depends on situation. One is when PAL is tanking, casting amend on one great damange (aggro) maker significantly helps PAL's ability to hold mob. Another is while PAL's amend casted on 1 member in group and takes off very good amount of hate, PAL's amend is working as lowering aggro of that member as production. So PAL's amend has better for protection usage on one specific member than SK's Siphon Hate, which won't do this as much. This SK's version of PAL's amend should have different characteristic (to make SK as unique way of doing). 1) Hate generation for SK to keep the aggro (like pal's amend) 2) Lowering group aggro to help group aggro issue (like troubador's group lowering aggro buff) Main benefit of this spell seems only come when the SK using this Siphon Hate is tanking. Though lowering group aggro as Troubadour might be something better than nothing even amount is small compared with Troubadour, when SK is not tanking. While SK does not provide much protectiion on one specific member like PAL's amend, nor lowering good amount of hate to make easier to control group's aggro management like Troubadour, SK's Siphon Hate should help SK's aggro of holding mob (which current live server SK lacks in term of utility wise). When amount is adjusted properly, this could be nice SK's hate utility. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> Overview, Tree Shape concern, General comments on SK EoF AA Tree : <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=eof_beta_fighters&message.id=2&jump=true#M2" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=eof_beta_fighters&message.id=2&jump=true#M2</A> Shadowknight EoF AA List (after 11/12/06) Detail by Tree : Hate on BETA <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=9&message.id=26223" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=9&message.id=26223</A></DIV>