BEST SK AA build?

[Volcanus]

Simple question... What is the best SK AA build? I've been wondering for a while, and have toyed around with some ideas, but I don't know, and I don't want to waste my respec.<div></div>

[Dogm]

4 5 8 4 8  STR       4 8 8 INT

[Vexorkane]

<DIV>/agree</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been contemplating trying 4 4 8 INT 4 4 8 STA 4 4 8 AGI though.. seems like our DPS MIGHT go up a bit.  Although, I have no actual proof and I don't know if I could live without the resuse reduction, haste, hate gain, etc. I loves it.</DIV>

[Dogm]

<DIV>well depending on gear  4 4 8  INT/STR/STA might be a good choice.       But when you have an ownage 1h axe and an ownage symbol for secondary, then my original setup owns all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT:  Response to post below,  yup those are the two.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dogmae on <span class=date_text>11-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:38 PM</span>

[Vexorkane]

<P>WTB Planar Axe of Destruction!</P> <P>WTB Symbol of Mystic Etchings!</P> <P>Am I right? :smileytongue:</P>

[G3IST]

well what if you have shadow axe and mist imbued symbol? =P

[Vexorkane]

<DIV>Thats decent but still no comparison.  I'm currently using Shadow Axe + Vultak Ritual Doll, which I like better than the Mist Imbued.  I'm pretty sure Planar Axe and Mystic Etching are currently the best combo in game for us at the moment, but I could be wrong.</DIV>

[Beldin_]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DrakDragoon wrote:<BR>Simple question... What is the best SK AA build? I've been wondering for a while, and have toyed around with some ideas, but I don't know, and I don't want to waste my respec.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The question is a little too simple, because it depends on playstyle. I prefer 4/4/8 Int, 4/4/4/4/8 Str and 4/5 Sta.<p>Message Edited by Beldin_ on <span class=date_text>11-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:17 AM</span>

[Rylight]

I agree with beldin, it totally depends on playstyle. for instance im on a pvp server and went with sta just so I could live longer when fighting other players, but if I was on a pve server I probably would have went str for the hate gain. just really depends on what you want to do. <div></div>

[plantb]

<DIV>Imo unless you have the Planar Axe, goin one hander and symbol aint worth it.  I tried it with Vultak Doll and 78dmge rated sword, it was total and utter pooh.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dps Sta 4-4-8 Sta 4-4-8 Int 4-4-8   Use the remaing 2 points for second sta AA or more Int.  If ur gonna hit a mob with a melee weapon u might as well get a crit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you dont have an Axe, buy a cheapo one equip it hit the second Sta CA then equip ur sword or mace.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is for KoS - things could be different for EoF.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plant</DIV>

[Boke]

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[Volcanus]

It must be. I have a 68 sk, and while I'm nowhere near as inept at playing one as some people are, I really love the Wis line. It gives some great passive skills that really help with soloing, and groups in general.<div></div>

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<DIV>I prefer to load the STA line. I have found DA to be invaluable, and the extra health pool as well. I've had no trouble standing up to any of current mobs, though my DPS is lower. The remainder of my AAs are split in WIS and AGI. I've been meaning to switch out the AGI ones though...most likely into INT, but hadn't got around to it yet. Tommorow's changes will likely push me to get around and do it. I wouldn't touch my STA line line for anything though.</DIV>

[Meryddian]

<P>I also went with the WIS line (love the regen, esp. when soloing; and the anti-fear is handy in spots), then followed up with 4/4/8 in INT, and dumped the rest in STA for the extra hit points.</P> <P>In light of the new EOF AAs, once I build up enough AAs to enchance our healing lines, I may actually respec some of those STA points into making my INT line 4/4/8/4, and see if it makes a difference and if so, how much. Tried it out in beta but didn't really get enough of a chance to see how much difference it make, particularly on raid mobs.</P>

[Judo13]

<DIV>Are all of those DD oriented? They seem to be... but I'm still new to SK.  So end-game, it would be better to go more towards DD rather than towards tanking??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My original plan was to go like  str 4448 but... is avenging invigoration (last str line) that good?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Pretty much just wondering... end-game is it better to go tanking or DD SK? </DIV><p>Message Edited by Judo1359 on <span class=date_text>11-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:31 AM</span>

[gnarkill]

I dunno about you guys buy I am<u>Stamina</u>448<div></div><u>Wisdom</u>448<u>Intellegence</u>548I LOVE battle leadership as it negates our defense stance which makes my DPS a TON better and makes all my stuff land alot easier....STR can be obtained thru armor..Everything in the AGI and STR are a waste imo...All our bottom skills are a joke..Reflect in pvp is somewhat useful tho...I highly recommend anyone trying my tree and tell me what they think...You will love it =D

[Zoradan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CHIMPNOODLE. wrote:<BR> <DIV>I prefer to load the STA line. I have found DA to be invaluable, <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It working again?</P> <P>I missed that they fixed it... again...</P>

[Zoradan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ta2demon wrote:<BR>...I highly recommend anyone trying my tree and tell me what they think...You will love it =D<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I was going to respec soon to change some stuff that I have, I'll seriously look at it. thanks for the idea.

[Archill]

<div><blockquote><hr>ta2demon wrote:I dunno about you guys buy I am<u>Stamina</u>448<div></div><u>Wisdom</u>448<u>Intellegence</u>548I LOVE battle leadership as it negates our defense stance which makes my DPS a TON better and makes all my stuff land alot easier....STR can be obtained thru armor..Everything in the AGI and STR are a waste imo...All our bottom skills are a joke..Reflect in pvp is somewhat useful tho...I highly recommend anyone trying my tree and tell me what they think...You will love it =D<hr></blockquote>With EoF making our subj more important, Im respeccing to the Wis line as well.</div>

[Cichlasoma]

My Spec is Sta 4/4/8 int 4/4/8 wis 4/4/8 or gonna be that, almost there. The Wis line helps alot as I never miss or fail. The AGI line is useless. The STR line is somewhat ok for solo efforts, but in a group or raid setting haste is not for the SK(casting always interrupts auto-melee anyways).

[rabid.pooh]

<DIV> <P><SPAN>I’ve gone sta 4/4/8 wis 4/4/8 and int 4/4/8.<SPAN>  </SPAN>I find that my DPS in offensive and defensive are pretty much the same, the only real difference comes from the missing int, using this setup.<SPAN>  </SPAN>I would have thought with the new changes that with this spec mobs would resist less then they do right now, but maybe without this config they resist even more <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN>I have no issues at all with hate in this setup (this includes MT’ing Raids, with little to no hate buffage), If I loose agro odds are it was on a huge pull and I hadn’t got around to taunting that mob yet <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN>EoF has me stumped, I’ll head down the reaving lines then play with sides<FONT color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>

[MrDiz]

As a fairly new SK i only have about 9 aa in the old AA, but a lot more in the new AA, and ive been dumping them totally in reaver as I solo or duo with dirge most of the time. I may be wrong but it seems until I get to the point I want to do more group stuff with him, reaver is the best thing to hit us <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Pitt Hammerfi]

<DIV>Why would anyone bother putting 8 points into champions bulwark for an extra 4% health is beyond me </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've always been int and wis line for group buffs on raids, now im being greedy and going down str line 4 7 8 6 1  and int 4 4 8</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love the 41% haste and jumps to 69% when i use swift axe, combined with cheldraks ring and the 10% end line reduction timer (total 15%), im finding myself much much quicker at everything <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Love my build atm <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Antryg Mistrose]

/Agree Pitt - Thats pretty much my setup - Spell crits, Hate gain, and nice little speedup for everything (and I don't even have a decent axe)Str 45881Int 448In EoF Once you spend ALL available points on hate gain, you still have some left, so after Siphon Hate we'll see.Especially seeing my "solo" is dual boxing with an illusionist - they have some nice abilities coming too<div></div>

[Pitt Hammerfi]

<P>ahh ok your going down hate line </P> <P> </P> <P>Im going down reaving line, cause of all the spell timer reductions on my most used spells are there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>ill also be shifting to the side a bit for death march and despoil <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by Pitt Hammerfist on <span class=date_text>11-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:25 AM</span>

[Xanoth]

my crusader AAs are:<b>STR 48841</b> (considering switching back to wis, or wis/sta resists and misses seem to have incerased a lot vs yellow and orange mobs, which is a raiders bread and butter, and i'd rather hit less often for harder and more reliably, than swing more often and hope for he best. still considering and cecking numbers)<b>INT 548</b>Shadowknight tree:put 5 points in death march, 5 points in coil, 3 drain vitae, 2 promice, 3 caress (will ditch this at a later date), 2 slampretty random so far, just knew i wanted death march ASAP, and with a fre respec i took a few choises that are handy for pulling a load of crap at a time to make life easier getting to 100. im tempetd to respec for reaver and hope it gets fixed so that it scales better for fabled SKs =/ other than that, its quite a dissapointing tree, i'd rather all 100 could be put in the crusader tree at the moment. SK tree offers little for defence (siphon armorment might as well not be there really), and little for DPS. will just be picking out what will be more useful, but devs saying some encounters are designed to be tackled with 100's are either giggling as they say it, or obviously talking about those that got a more powerful tree. but on the whole most EOF tree's are unimaginative and not too useful for most classes

[Sillililygirl]

I remade my DE SK into an iksar SK and am now playing with my boyfriend's inquistor so I'm going with the wis line. The group buffs looked to be inquistor friendly - especially since inquistors are more "battle clerics."<div></div>

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CHIMPNOODLE. wrote:<BR> <DIV>I prefer to load the STA line. I have found DA to be invaluable, <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It working again?</P> <P>I missed that they fixed it... again...</P> <P>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------</P> <P> </P> <P>Ya, saves my butt all the time.</P>

[Zanix]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xanoth wrote:<BR>my crusader AAs are:<BR>at a time to make life easier getting to 100. im tempetd to respec for reaver and hope it gets fixed so that it scales better for fabled SKs =/ other than that, its quite a dissapointing tree, i'd rather all 100 could be put in the crusader tree at the moment. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>IMO I am loving Tap Veins with 12 seconds less on the refresh...I think this is out best spell, and to be able to use iyt 1 or 2 extra times per fight is great.</P> <P> </P>

[Acidian80]

Im thinking of puting my skils in stam, wis and int, but am wondering which line I should go first. The increased stamina from the stamina line loks better than the wisdom increase from wis line (dont know how much resistance I get from wisdom?), but the second one in both is a tough choice. Since one is a hammer skill, and I dont like hammers (Im a death knight, not a paladin <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />), but it seems more useful than the sword skill, but again, Id have to take wisdom first to get the sword skill anyway. Im guessing it doesnt matter that much at lower levels at any rate though.As for the second one in the int line, using a symbol instead of a 2h sword or shield doesnt seem worth it to me, but I guesse this again is better depending if one has a good 2h or a good symbol (not going to swap my shield in a party/raid, if Im tanking at any rate).

[Xanoth]

<blockquote><hr>Zanix wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Xanoth wrote:<BR>my crusader AAs are:<BR>at a time to make life easier getting to 100. im tempetd to respec for reaver and hope it gets fixed so that it scales better for fabled SKs =/ other than that, its quite a dissapointing tree, i'd rather all 100 could be put in the crusader tree at the moment. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>IMO I am loving Tap Veins with 12 seconds less on the refresh...I think this is out best spell, and to be able to use iyt 1 or 2 extra times per fight is great.</P><P> </P><hr></blockquote>probably has more PVP use than regular PVE raiding, its rare that your going to have 4 mobs around you, never mind 8 in order to get the full effect. picked up reaver tonight along with DM recast reduction, seems fun for now. which is pretty much how im going to spend my points untill i get used to the combat changes brought in with GU29.

[Zanix]

<DIV>for now, it's pretty much "ding ! you gain an achievement point"</DIV> <DIV>I click to the tree, and literally...been just picking whatever sounds better for the time being. I'm sure it will need lots and lots of respecing once I see full potential.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I DO like the casting reduction however, and am seeing a DRAMATIC difference with only (up to) rank 2 in the ability...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, IMO (so far) you can spend a bunch to cast DM more often, so you can recast quicker...or you can have perma-faster-recast on the more essential spells. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>we'll see.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TiaraJew]

<div></div>Am I the only one who likes the AGI line?  I mean, I can only speculate on what I'll like since my SK is hella low (1 AA so far, WOOO) and will probably stay that way until SOE fixes the bloody oldworld quests to give AA xp... but the AGI line just sounds fun.  SKs own masses of mobs, and that line helps this.  Sure, it wouldn't have the haste of STR if you took it and INT, or it would miss the crits of INT if you went STR/AGI (edit: if you included a final ability that is; without finals, all 3 ftw?), but... meh.  I guess I'm not a min/maxer, I do what sounds fun.  AGI/INT sounds pretty sweet to me... but again, just in theory.  Would love to hear from someone who's -tried- it--not someone who's as theoretical about it as me only says "bah, it sucks no haste no crit wtfzomg."<div></div><p>Message Edited by TiaraJewel on <span class=date_text>11-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:44 AM</span>

[Xanoth]

AGI has been discussed a few times before and some have tried it. the main elt down with it is at level 70 PVE you spend the majority of your time inside instances, so instantly most bonuses from AGI are halved due to lack of horse after your first FD or death. its a nice line, but of limited use.also severe lack of decent weapons to use with it doesn't do it many favours.

[Incur]

<DIV>I tried going the agi line, working on the theory of more autoattacks + more lifetap procs = better aggro and nice hp, since we dont often get enchantery types..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Really, found it uninspiring unfortunately, its just not really worth the effort, now im sta/int/wis and finding it a real nice combo</DIV>

[Xaxtionlorex]

I am currently stam 4/4/8/8 and int 4/4/8/7 i love it.<div></div>

[ssythe]

I've been gone a bit but have recently come back my set up is 4,4,8 sta/4,4,8 wis/5,4,8 int for the most part I think it has served me well but have been waiting to see more feedback from the other sk's using the Reaver line of AA's.Was wanting to see if the crit heal aa's from the int line had any effect had any effect on them in which case if they did  I'd consider dropping the wis line.

[Xaxtionlorex]

Being that I crit every time when i drop a heal, our raid healers really enjoy it when i tank in raids, as I amke their jobs easier, 533,200,300, every few seconds means i'v stayed up when other tanks have gone down, when we get a good gaurdian i am going to repsect and put those point 4 or so into smite, thats been with crit aa a good amount of dps.<div></div>

[Pitt Hammerfi]

<DIV>37.2 seconds my tap viens will be after 5 points <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i need to find more recast reducers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  like a cloak maybe</DIV>

[Anselan]

<DIV>I've gone the same way as Pitty but with 9 point still elft to spend, and I have to say the 10% reduction across the board is amazing. That means more taunts and more damage over any fight, and the longer it goes on the better.</DIV> <DIV>I've currently got 2 points in increasing the slam ability and will max that and death march before I look at putting points into the reaver line. Enhancing blessing may work out very well with the some spell damage increase adornments. I've already maxed the Putrid Coil lifetap and the healers keep wondering why they don't have to ward me. </DIV> <DIV>I'm not uber by any means but I tanked the 4 adds on whatsit in Lyceum last night without needing healed and Gnorbl the playful last night when MT went down and without the reduction in cast time I'm not sure I would have held aggro.</DIV> <DIV>The only thing that appeals to in end line of the EoF tree is the Hate ability of taking a percentage of the groups aggro, though that is in the hope that the developers review the tree and increase that (I don't hold out much hope, SOE developers don't seem to look at AA after they go live).</DIV> <DIV>I think the EOF tree does have some useful things that if selected properly can add up quite nicely, but nothing really leaps out as special.</DIV>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TiaraJewel wrote:<BR> Am I the only one who likes the AGI line?  I mean, I can only speculate on what I'll like since my SK is hella low (1 AA so far, WOOO) and will probably stay that way until SOE fixes the bloody oldworld quests to give AA xp... but the AGI line just sounds fun.  SKs own masses of mobs, and that line helps this.  Sure, it wouldn't have the haste of STR if you took it and INT, or it would miss the crits of INT if you went STR/AGI (edit: if you included a final ability that is; without finals, all 3 ftw?), but... meh.  I guess I'm not a min/maxer, I do what sounds fun.  AGI/INT sounds pretty sweet to me... but again, just in theory.  Would love to hear from someone who's -tried- it--not someone who's as theoretical about it as me only says "bah, it sucks no haste no crit wtfzomg."<BR> <P>Message Edited by TiaraJewel on <SPAN class=date_text>11-23-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:44 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Hehe, I'm probably only Sk in entire server sporting Lance final ability.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I am called Vampire Cavalier..  I had to go on that route cuz of RP itself. </P> <P>For more information on AGI, you can find it here at <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=9&message.id=18201&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=9&message.id=18201&view=by_date_ascending&page=1</A></P> <P>I have AGI 4-8-8-5-8 and INT 4-4-8 and working on Reaver line now at 5 Coil, 5 Twisted Aura, 5 Grave Blessing. Now working on other circle. Need few more to get final Reaver ability. I just gotta get it even though if its in weak form right now.  I'll work on Hate lines after done with Reavers. I never respec since KOS yet and still carrying free respec heh. I'm sure other routes are alot better for other SKs based on their feedbacks.</P> <P>I solo alot plus usually in groups. I'm pretty popular in EOF zones (over 20 runs in COV/OOB and never dropped [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] SK piece. Argh) and even MM castle (toughest zone I ever experienced but fun!) so far as pick up people kept asking me to tank so that route seems to serve me well. I hardly raid so that route is pretty good for me and it truly makes me a real Vampire Cavalier. Most SKs are just Vampire Knights. I just like to feel like real mounted knight carrying lance thats all. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>I find that AGI for me gives decent dps from 8 in jousting (pretty nice skill and doesn't need horse or outdoor at all) and added damage from lance skill (Pretty weak at its current form).  </P> <P>Nice thing about not need to use symbol is that Joust+lance will allow me to switch between 1h or 2h whatever situation fits me well without harming me a bit.  I find that I do more damage with 2h for trampling over symbol blasting spells if using 1h. I don't even use symbols at all. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I need shield and 1h to tank or 2h for solo or small group etc anyway so where is symbol use? </P> <P>Major drawback that I faced since KOS is that there is no good 1h pierce to acquire other than mastercrafted voulge that I used for 1h. There is decent 2hpierce that I got which is Pike of Pain. That's a nice easily acquirable weapon that can sell for cheap cuz it's very low demand weapon. I'm still [Removed for Content] at final Wurmslayer 2h that changed into staff that made Cavalier + Wurmslayer not possible..  I was hoping that EOF finally drops good 1h pierce but haven't seen one yet..  I know that there is Ancient Velium shortspear but its delay is wayyy tooo fast for my taste and it's proc is too weak.  I like mastercrafted imbued voulge cuz of slower delay plus it has mean proc of 600+ that goes nicely with my INT crit. </P> <P>Bottomline, don't take much of my advice unless you love being Vampire Cavalier cuz of RP itself plus your playstyle (not raiding much etc) then this would be good one for you.</P><p>Message Edited by Nocifer Deathblade on <span class=date_text>12-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:51 AM</span>

[Incur]

<P>Hey Noc, i tried maxing the ol trample aa with max melee crits thinking that since i very rarely group with a enchanter and with the improved lifetap procs and the like it would mean increased damage, increased aggro and more health in multimob fights, but found that it very rarely was usefull at least for me and i hardly procced admittedly i spend most of my time in instances so one fd or splatted pull and i'd loose the horse buff. </P> <P>Also, does it break mez when you do proc it, or does it not hit mezzed mobs ?  </P> <P>Just curious since i really thought it had potential, yet i never managed to get it to work to its potential imho once we get the defensive changes ill be pondering dropping wis again and see how it goes.</P>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Incurus wrote:<BR> <P>Hey Noc, i tried maxing the ol trample aa with max melee crits thinking that since i very rarely group with a enchanter and with the improved lifetap procs and the like it would mean increased damage, increased aggro and more health in multimob fights, but found that it very rarely was usefull at least for me and i hardly procced admittedly i spend most of my time in instances so one fd or splatted pull and i'd loose the horse buff. </P> <P>Also, does it break mez when you do proc it, or does it not hit mezzed mobs ?  </P> <P>Just curious since i really thought it had potential, yet i never managed to get it to work to its potential imho once we get the defensive changes ill be pondering dropping wis again and see how it goes.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Heh, trample doesn't break mezzes. It actually won't hit mezzed mobs just like your AE spells that won't hit or hurt mezzed mobs as well. I usually group with enchanters and they mezzed mobs even in MM castles and I never awaken those mobs at all even with trampling in effect. You are safe with trample. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>Once it procs trample, no other procs will be checked upon trample's proc. That means your weapon proc will only proc before or after trample not during trample at all means max proc you can get from your 1 swing is 1 and can trample up to 4 mobs but proc is just 1 per swing max.  Also, You can't hit a solo mob twice per swing if trample. Trample only good if you are facing multi-mobs. Trample means nothing against solo mobs. </P> <P>I forgot to add above is that my most favorite fight is to train so many mobs to me (solo or group) and just take them down prettty fast. I, as solo using 2h, could take in 6-10 blue mobs and they all are dead within a minute or maybe less cuz of all trampling in effect plus all AEs I have with INT crit line. What I really need to improve is to get melee crits and haste and dps.  To me, Vampire Cavalier excels at AE encounters.  DM to go with trample OWNS.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I wouldn't trade trample for anything else at all. Indoors, trample can be 18% after death or FD instead of 36% but still not bad at all cuz you usually get hasted, dps'ed up, strengthen up in groups indoors anyway to make 16% quite attractive still. To me, solo outside with 36% trample vs powered up in-door grouped Sk with 18% trample might produce same result. heh. Heck, when I do repeated instanced runs like OOB, COV, etc then I know what to do and what group set-up would be etc then I stopped dying at all or never needed to FD then I get full 36% trample in effect for whole runs indoors for better result. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Trample can be improved with haste+dps+melee crit mods and strength. Their damage is based on your weapon damage alone, Better your weapon is, better trample you will have. Faster you swing from hastes, more often the trample will occur, so go on.</P> <P>I find that the defense circle next to trample got little more useful for me post EOF cuz SKs get more avoidance per defense now. Mitigation return gets smaller now but avoidance is now nice way to invest into. More bang compared to mitigation now. I  will try to invest into all avoidance related skills to improve myself so I can train more mobs to myself to speed up time.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by Nocifer Deathblade on <span class=date_text>12-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:29 AM</span>

[Fluxion13]

w0w Noc, you have TOTALLY renewed my interest in the AGI line again.  I was originally going down that path, but when I hit T5 or T6, I forget which, and there weren't even any 2H spears, I got really frustrated and spec'd out.  That and reading what most people said about it vs. the other lines.  Now I'm torn with potentially putting it back into a build somehow.  I LOVE AE so this path has always intregued(sp) me.  The only prob is I ditched my last horse when I got a carpet and I'm waiting to upgrade on a horse till I can afford a nice expensive one. *sigh* Oh well, that'll give me time to build up some more points since I started dumping so many into our new lines now, hehe.  Thanks for all the great info.<div></div>

[Incur]

<DIV>Thanks for the info noc =) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I may have another go with it and see if if i can get a bit more milking out of it, i love my aoes also and master one of all 3 ((one day doom judgement, one day! )) means that training myself, or hell my group! is definately my fav way to play!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Doing whole writs in one pull is definately the best way to do it hehe.</DIV>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Incurus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Thanks for the info noc =) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I may have another go with it and see if if i can get a bit more milking out of it, i love my aoes also and master one of all 3 ((one day doom judgement, one day! )) means that training myself, or hell my group! is definately my fav way to play!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Doing whole writs in one pull is definately the best way to do it hehe.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Hehe, I do writs alot (almost 1.3 million GSP and ranked 6th gamewide SK holding that GSP level)  and warmly to every FP factions other than TS (Amiable)  now and allied to Dismal Rage (I gotta be allied with them first cuz of Grandfather Nocifer from EQ1 served underground Dismal Rage organization). Getting there.. Vampire Cavalier is surely a best tool to farm out writs.  I usually just train mobs and kill them all to speed up writ rate of speed.</P> <P>I chose Death Circle master 2 instead of sacrilage. Sacrilage got more useful tho especially with EOF AAs but in fact master 1 vs master 2 aren't much of any difference anyway.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sacrilage with EOF AA is pretty nice for vampire cavalier because of greater disease debuff and can land easier to group of mobs so your disease-based AEs and spells can hurt them more. Despoil is nice with trample+Death Circle as well and other CA based attacks like Joust and Lance.. </P> <P>Oh by the way, do get the lifetap ring from OOB that will help Vampire Cavaliers nicely against many mobs hitting you at once. Rank 5 EOF AA in Grave blessing, Tap Vein and lifetap ring will easily bring your health back to full even against massive train beating on you.  Grave blessing with 5 aa can heal you 500+ per hit which is pretty nice to get totaling 2,500+ heal per spell.  Lifetap ring can crit dd mob for 1k+ and heal you for almost 1k as well and it does proc pretty often if many mobs are on you at once. I would say that lifetap ring is highly sought for SKs in AE encounters as MT or solo. </P>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fluxion13 wrote:<BR>  The only prob is I ditched my last horse when I got a carpet and I'm waiting to upgrade on a horse till I can afford a nice expensive one. *sigh* <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You are already an insult to the knights who chose carpet to ride.. Knight on carpet is just... [Removed for Content]...   and stupid to do..  Ditch your carpet fully and return back to knighthood's philosphy and their innate affinity with horses..   Horses >>>>> carpets.. </P> <P>I saw many knights riding on carpets during DOF period and they all made me puke and felt like killing them. I even dueled them just to show frustration. I sticked to lvl 20 SK  horse whole time and I was practically only high level Cavalier sporting lvl 20 SK horse while everyone else got Majdul horse or mostly quested carpets. They don't give a crap about RP. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Til Nightmare got introduced that SURELLLLLLLYYYY made my day and bought it and loving it ever since! I won't ditch Nightmare for upgraded lvl 60 horses cuz they simply doesn't look SKish..  I'm waiting for improved Nightmare or  Black evil looking dragon to ride.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Fluxion13]

I know, I know... what's worse is I'm an Ogre... ugh... very [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] looking, lol... but sometimes ya just have places ya gotta be, lo. *sigh*  c'est la vie.  Then again, I'm not on a  RP server either =p<div></div>

[AziBam]

<DIV>Like many of us I've had a number of different builds now.  All have had 4,4,8 INT which I don't think I could ever give up.  I recently switched out of 4,8,8 Int, plus Str to the bottom.  The more I observed resists after EoF the more I wanted to get the skill + from the WIS line.  So, I switched to the build Gnarkill proposed of 4,4,8 STA, WIS, INT.  Initially it was a bit hard to accept the loss of the 10% cast/recast from the bottom of the STR line since you just get used to roughly how much time it takes for your important spells to refresh.  However, I've really started to appreciate the new build especially in terms of power usage.  I have far fewer times where I'm getting low on power with the new build and I'm not seeing any issues with aggro.  While I may not be able to cycle my taunts and attacks as often I get resisted less which means I'm running more efficiently.  Now I just need to get further into the SK tree to get DM recast reduced.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </DIV><p>Message Edited by Dkel on <span class=date_text>12-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:06 PM</span>

[Anca0202]

<P>I have been reading alot about the SK AA build.  I currently have Str 4,4,4,8,1 Sta 4,1 and Int 4,4,8.  I am 99.9% of the time tanking and wanted the Str line for the hate boost.  It didn't seem to do much though.  So from what I am reading it is best to get the Wis 4,4,8 to help with agro because of less resists. Hmmm....</P> <P>I have decent gear and all abilities adept 3 or better (50/50 adept 3/master).  I seem to loose agro to monks on a regular basis but never to wizies.  I have tried COV twice and come out near naked both times.  I am getting a little frustrated with loosing agro and dying alot.  I am a very experienced player and am constantly running out of power because I usually am trying as hard as possible to keep myself alive as well as hold agro.  What gives?  Do you think this is an AA issue, group issue, or something I am doing wrong?  With my SK AA I am going down hate line because I really think that is where I am having the most issues.  I have 11 points in it so far and am planning on getting the bottom one, then switching to get the Siphon Stamina, Mit steal, and more reserve HP.  Healers always complaining that they were mid cast when I die, so might help with survivability.</P> <P>Well that is what I have and the concerns that I have,  I do often ask the monks if they have their taunt stance up and they say no.  I also have them drop their haste buff and I am able to hold agro a little better off of them.  Funny because the Wizi can use Ice Nova and Fusion and not pull agro, but his stupid ground fire spell does.</P>

[DUNN]

I Just le the Monks and Bruisers tank.  It doesn''t matter anywaywith the changes they are just as good.  The only advice I can give you if you are dying that much is get new healers.  I have made it through the new instances with just 1 healer without much trouble usually.  Also if they get aggro from you and you can't take it back with all your tools well to bad for them.  I  don't feel bad nor complaint when they die.  After all it's their fault not yours aggro is a 2 way street.

[Kurindor_Mythecnea]

<div></div><div></div>I'm pretty much an all-around type of player and I was considering making an attempt at the following:Strength - 4, 4, 4, 4, 1Stamina - 4, 4, 8 (or 4, 8, 4 [but probably not])Intelligence - 4, 4, 8<div></div><p>Message Edited by Xietsu on <span class=date_text>12-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:45 AM</span>

[d3caffed]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xietsu wrote:<BR> I'm pretty much an all-around type of player and I was considering making an attempt at the following:<BR><BR>Strength - 4, 4, 4, 4, 1<BR><BR>Stamina - 4, 4, 8 (or 4, 8, 4 [but probably not])<BR><BR>Intelligence - 4, 4, 8<BR> <P>Message Edited by Xietsu on <SPAN class=date_text>12-07-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:45 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thats impossible to do. As the end achievments costs 8 points to get you whould spend 24 points in str tree to get 4,4,4,4,1</P> <P> </P>

[Naelael]

<div></div>nt<div></div><p>Message Edited by Naelael on <span class=date_text>12-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 PM</span>