Why Can't I Use A Bow?

[Terron]

Real medieval knights did use bows - when hunting - a very noble activity. <div></div>

[Ultimatum]

<div></div>Medieval knights may have used a bow and arrows occasionally, but they were generally front line fighters, charging into battle with polearms, lances, swords, etc. while the archers in the back rows fired off volleys of arrows to provide cover.  The universal accepted image of a knight is void of a bow and arrows.  That, however, is beside the point.  The reason Crusaders don't use bows is purely mechanics.  Other fighters are almost completely close ranged combat, with their bow being one of few ways to attack an enemy with ranged.  Crusaders, especially SKs, are about 75-80% ranged magical casters, so for that very reason do not need a bow at all.  SKs can do FAR more ranged damage than any other fighter, without the use of a bow, that they simply do not need them.  The question is not weather it would be nice or not to be able to use a bow, but rather weather it is NECESSARY, to which that answer is no.<span></span><div></div>

[Eluzay]

<div><blockquote><hr>AsphyxDragonblood wrote:<div>Pretty stupid I think, I am a lvl 60 SK, and I cant use a stupid bow to pull with...</div> <div> </div> <div>While I am on the subject, My pet lasting 1 minute is worthless, and FD sucks!</div> <div> </div> <div>Why cant I have permanent Feign Death? To fake death 30seconds is still death for us! Make it longer. How about a permanent SK Pet? Or since all the other classes got SK Spells that make me feel cheated, and give me a P.O.S. Pet, how about some duel wield?</div> <div> </div> <div>Have a nice Day...</div> <div> </div> <div>Shadowknights get robbed, Hopefully SOE will fix something.... Play a SK if you want to talk crap about this post, Its true SK are worthless...</div><hr></blockquote>umm our FD is AWSOME, yes the recast timer sucks, and the duratin aint the best, ask the mages in my group if my FD sucks when I get agro off of them I play an SK, I am level 55, and we are the BEST pvp tank, and the scout bane (well not rangers, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] them)...  we debuff well, we buff well, we heal, we have plate, aoe... man you must be a raid [Removed for Content] or something because short of people in raids not letting you in there is nothing to complain about with SK... </div>

[ZhouYu]

<P><EM>Currently I am the only Master SK worldwide on the pvp boards. A lot of people liek the OP here complain about SK sucking at pvp and a lot of complaints. However I don't seem to be having a problem with it. What SK pvpers need to realize is that we aren't the killing machine that scouts are, and we have to get used to it. I liek to explain our role in a pvp group more as the group leader, with spells like death march, dispoiling mist, RT, FD, you have ot be the person standing in the middle taking care of the group, doing the RT on a critical targetthat needs to die quickly, directing and leading your group. Group well with a SK, lead well and it will be one of the most fearsome classes in the game. Try to be an idiot and try to play your SK like a scout, and you will suffer by getting your rear end haded to you in every encounter. </EM></P> <P><EM>I simply love my SK, no complaints from me.</EM></P>

[Kryptonix]

Who gives a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] if you cant use a bow. You should complain that a bow in auto attack is a little over powered. <div></div>

[Diern]

<P>A shadowknight may be a creature of evil, but that doesnt mean it has no honor, I like to call it a combination of pride and arrogance. A bow is beneath the SK, and we have far more creative means to deal ranged damage. Umm hello thats why we have arcane ability. Seriously, RP points aside, and yes historical knights did occasionally use ranged weapons. The Shadowknight doesnt need a bow.</P> <P>kkthxbye...</P>

[swiftne]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P>umm our FD is AWSOME, yes the recast timer sucks, and the duratin aint the best, ask the mages in my group if my FD sucks when I get agro off of them<BR><BR>I play an SK, I am level 55, and we are the BEST pvp tank, and the scout bane <FONT color=#6633cc>(well not rangers, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] them)</FONT>...  we debuff well, we buff well, we heal, we have plate, aoe... man you must be a raid [Removed for Content] or something because short of people in raids not letting you in there is nothing to complain about with SK...</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>WHAAAAAT? Are you really telling me you have problems with rangers? Man! tell me you play on Nagafen plzzzzzzz lol and gimme ur toon name I will spend as long as it takes to help you destroy those panzy [Removed for Content] little hill hugging peices of crap. (sorry I just hate the playstyle mentality of "Hit, OH NO! they arent afk or dead! RUN AWAY!!")</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh and BTW to the poster above me, I did not say we need a bow, I did not say that we had no honour, and in fact when I was referring to us being a creature of evil I was speaking more for the whole "A Knight doesnt  need to fake dead". But ya we really do not NEED a bow, it is not in any way necessary, I would not so much as even ask for one, but if we were able to weild/use one I would not complain,</P>

[Rylight]

<b>If your sk had a bow and could equip it, would you use it?</b>   (the answer is clearly no, why the heck pay for something we get for free?) <div></div>

[swiftne]

<P></P> <HR> <STRONG>If your sk had a bow and could equip it, would you use it?</STRONG>   (the answer is clearly no, why the heck pay for something we get for free?) <P></P> <HR> <P>If we could use a bow, I would use it for PvP and PvP ONLY. Just for when you have to chase a sprinter and you are LoP. Kinda sucks when they get away from ye. And what do you mean something we get for free? LOL don't know about you but my spells cost more than anything else I have.....:smileysad:</P>

[Rylight]

admittingly in pvp, if you could use a bow while running (which currently you can) I could see your point, (honestly I was thinking more of a pve perspective) and when I say free I mean that arrows cost money, whereas spells just cost power. <div></div>

[Beldin_]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rylight wrote:<BR><B>If your sk had a bow and could equip it, would you use it?</B>   (the answer is clearly no, why the heck pay for something we get for free?)<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hm.. there are often times when i'm ready to pull the next mob, but coil or anger is not up and i have to wait 2-3 seconds  :smileysurprised:.. so that may be the time when i would use the bow .. but really .. who cares about that <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P> <P>I think our little Brigand would love it .. he is always the one who shouts "neeeext" in TS if you wait that few seconds to pull the next :smileytongue:</P><p>Message Edited by Beldin_ on <span class=date_text>11-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:51 PM</span>

[DUNN]

I am still waiting for my crossbow after all i am a Knight.

[Wildmage]

spells you can pulls with lets see theres the dot line, the DD line, the Str drain line, Wrath Line(personal favorite hit with that then str drain then dot as they slow walk towards yah, granted I solo mostly)  wouldn't use our lifetap line for pulling though. dont see a need for a Bow with all that around plus your better off putting a symbol in the ranged slot to boost your stats.<div></div>

[MaCloud1032]

<DIV>Only possible reason for a SK to use a bow is for the auto attack i really hate running out of power and having to wait for my crack rock to come back so i can cast again.  Our FD sorry its save the mages [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Its one way we keep agro learn to use it well.</DIV>

[Boke]

:smileysad:wow people complain about the dumbest things...

[DUNN]

Not really dumb if you think about it.  Try range Autoattcking with the spells we have and tell me how it works out for you.  Also remember how much power you use doing this autoattack damage with the spells because it will be the same if you had a bow except  you actually do damage with a bow. lol  I can hit for ove 1k with a shortbow using my dirge without a CA's every 4 sec nice free damage.  All while my SK will be standing looking at the mob blinking his eyes.  So not really dumb at all.  Oh and by the way  my dirge can cast also.<p>Message Edited by DUNN on <span class=date_text>11-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:39 AM</span>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DUNN wrote:<BR> I am still waiting for my crossbow after all i am a Knight.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah, that would be cool. I never understand why crossbow never got introduced in EQlive for long time and now in EQ2..  </P> <P>It is a common weapon along with bows in many other fantasy setting. Heck, in RL times, Crusaders used crossbows against Arabs and Turkomans with great success for example. It's pretty easy to carry crossbow as mounted knight to attack those crossbowmens and pikemen cuz they are ones that can hurt knights badly in melee/ranged attack so knights had to retort to use crossbows when they are ambushed by those pikemen/crossbowmen.   Heck, they can use crossbow against other knights as well then finish off with swords. Crossbow is very good weapon to penerate knight's armor..</P> <P>Crossbow is nice one for knights cuz they spent lot of training on swords/shield/use of armor etc and crossbow training only takes 1 week to "master" it while longbowman training can take years to master that knights cannot afford to spend time to train..</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Nocifer Deathblade on <span class=date_text>11-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:11 AM</span>

[Iyemana]

<div><blockquote><hr>AsphyxDragonblood wrote:<div>Pretty stupid I think, I am a lvl 60 SK, and I cant use a stupid bow to pull with...</div> <div> </div> <div>While I am on the subject, My pet lasting 1 minute is worthless, and FD sucks!</div> <div> </div> <div>Why cant I have permanent Feign Death? To fake death 30seconds is still death for us! Make it longer. How about a permanent SK Pet? Or since all the other classes got SK Spells that make me feel cheated, and give me a P.O.S. Pet, how about some duel wield?</div> <div> </div> <div>Have a nice Day...</div> <div> </div> <div>Shadowknights get robbed, Hopefully SOE will fix something.... Play a SK if you want to talk crap about this post, Its true SK are worthless...</div><hr></blockquote>youve played 60 lvls and dont even know the correct timers?...FD is 20 Seconds long and The pet lasts for 30 seconds with a recast of 30 seconds so besides the hastle of reclicking the cast button it IS permanent...Not to mention more than half the content has to be body pulled in the T7 zones if you want to avoid social aggro so why do we need a bow...i can pull with 3 or 4 different spells from the same distance a Guard/zerk can with there bow and the spell doesnt take ammo...</div>

[Meryddian]

<DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66 size=2><EM>Pretty stupid I think, I am a lvl 60 SK, and I cant use a stupid bow to pull with...</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Errr.. if you think it's so stupid, why have you levelled all the way to 60? And what'd you use to pull while you were levelling?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>As other posters have pointed out, this was *long* ago changed so we could equip orbs, etc. into the ranged slot. We didn't need the bow so much as the fact that knights (and possibly priests?) were the only classes that couldn't put something in that slot, which meant it was an empty, useless slot for us - and thus, a bit imbalancing. There are some decent stat-items for the ranged slot that knights can equip, particularly when it comes to resists. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Whenever people mention "well, SKs could use bows in EQ1 (or insert other game here)", the answer is always "Well, this isn't EQ1/WoW/whatever". Accept it. Move along...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66 size=2><EM>While I am on the subject, My pet lasting 1 minute is worthless, </EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66 size=2><EM>... How about a permanent SK Pet?</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>It lasts 30 seconds, not 1 minute; and can be immediately recast after those 30 seconds. While I wouldn't mind the cast time being a touch shorter, our pet is basically the best DOT in our arsenal. (which also previous posters have said). It is definitely not worthless, and the DPS that our pet adds can definitely make a difference on fights.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66 size=2><EM>and FD sucks!</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66 size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66 size=2><EM>Why cant I have permanent Feign Death? To fake death 30seconds is still death for us! Make it longer.  </EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>While I wouldn't mind this lasting another 5-10 seconds either, to be honest, I think if it were "perma"-FD, or something like a minute in length, it'd be a really imbalancing skill, <EM>because we can cast it on other people</EM>. As it stands, it is an <EM>incredibly</EM> useful tool not just in groups but on raids, and it's a skill that saves many a player's butt (or even a raid) when you FD the overnuking caster, the scout who got a bit dps-happy, or the priest who managed to pull agro. Learn to use the skill properly and you, too, can come to love it. </FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff66 size=2><EM>Or since all the other classes got SK Spells that make me feel cheated, and give me a P.O.S. Pet, how about some duel wield?</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>If you feel so cheated, then why don't you play another class?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>And if you think dual wield would help our DPS, then you need to learn to use your spells better. I had a group in HOF last night and the zerker kept posting parses to us; my dps was generally 550-800+/fight, and I don't even have fabled weaponry. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>SKs take skill and attention to detail. A well-played one is an asset, and in demand from other players. A poorly-played one is simply another crappy tank. I've got several SK devotees who love to play with me because they know I'm gonna do a good job as tank, and that I love the work that goes into playing a good SK. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>* * * * *</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>I <FONT color=#ff0033><3</FONT> my class.</STRONG> Proud to be a shadowknight!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><EM>*takes the saddle off the dead horse, and puts it on her Nightmare*</EM></FONT></DIV></DIV>

[GuardianKing]

<div></div>I have Saves countless Squishes with FD Why dont we get to use a bow? Well we have range attacks to pull with Warriors get not ranged atack other than taunt so they gave them bows. <div></div><p>Message Edited by GuardianKing on <span class=date_text>11-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:23 PM</span>

[Rylight]

and of course its just another thing to seperate warriors and crusaders, I like being different then them. ( and still really couldnt care less about the bow, I have to many other long range casting spells to worry about , and the wrath line rules) <div></div>

[Valphine]

uhm lol? where did you buy your account? ebay?<div></div>

[Boke]

<DIV>as i stated, he is complain about stupid crap. ebay ftw</DIV>

[Dogm]

<DIV><IMG src="http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e361/dogmae/Toldyouso.jpg"></DIV>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<DIV>About freaking time! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Vexorkane]

<DIV>Meh, its kinda g hey in my opinion.  It will be ok for pulling, but we have no skills for bows.. I'm indifferent about this change.  I'll probably only use a bow to get my ranged skill maxed out then stop using it all together.  </DIV>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<P>It's added dps bonus by having bows during ranged attack only raid mobs so it's good upgrade to us.. Indifferent to added ranged dps? Hmm. My power ran out pretty quickly against ranged attack only raid mobs and how often I wished for arrows to sustain my ranged dps..</P> <P>I WOULD rather Devs to introduce crossbows designed for warriors and crusaders only.. THAT will set us apart from EQlive knights for a change! EQ2 is 500 years later from EQlive and crossbows haven't been invented? OMG. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> We have freaking gnomes who can invent crossbows very easily..  Come on Devs..  You let us to use bows. At least, make brand-new crossbows for us to enjoy! That will be great addition.  </P> <P>Just make crossbows LONNNNGGG delay but HIGH damage so our long-casting spells won't interfere with its ranged dps much. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Plus will make crossbow different from bows just cuz of longer delay but more damage as supposed to be..</P>

[Vexorkane]

<DIV>I didn't know ranged bow dps didn't cost power.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Vexorkane on <span class=date_text>11-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:17 AM</span>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vexorkane wrote:<BR> <DIV>I didn't know ranged bow dps didn't cost power.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Vexorkane on <SPAN class=date_text>11-14-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:17 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Same thing.. Did autoattack meleeing cost you any power? Nope.  Ranged auto-attack does the same thing..

[Ultimatum]

<div><blockquote><hr>Nocifer Deathblade wrote:<div></div> <p>I WOULD rather Devs to introduce crossbows designed for warriors and crusaders only.. THAT will set us apart from EQlive knights for a change! EQ2 is 500 years later from EQlive and crossbows haven't been invented? OMG. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> We have freaking gnomes who can invent crossbows very easily..  Come on Devs..  You let us to use bows. At least, make brand-new crossbows for us to enjoy! That will be great addition. .</p><hr></blockquote>As much as I absolutely loathe the idea of Crusaders running around with bows now, I actually really like the idea of crossbows for Crusaders as long as they did it right.  I'd like to see crossbows usable as primary weapons, and still leave crusaders with symbols in the ranged slots.  Some crossbows could be utilized with a shield, so I think it would be cool and unique to give Crusaders the use of Crossbows in the 1h slot, and add in bigger ones like Arbalests that are 2-handed.  We now have clockwork beasts and tinkering and such, so crossbows wouldn't be far fetched in the slightest, and it would add a bit more diversity between tanks imo.  </div>

[Margen]

<P>After the changes to dispoiling Mist, this is my second favorite change.  For normal grouping/soling its not likely to make a difference, but for raiding its a very nice change.   </P> <P>When ever our raid leader called range fight, I always wanted to bang my head on the table.  I would spend half the fight doing nothing waiting for my spell timers to recycle.</P> <P>Know some disagree but I find it a welcome change.</P>

[Xaxtionlorex]

agreed, im just getting back into raiding, so i'm starting on courts, and there are a few fights in there where i go from top 5, to the bottom of the list,even with aa spell i still go oom and wait around for alot, but now, with a good slow bow like Ancestral Sarnak War Bow, with top ends of 750dmg, i might be able to reclaim some dps.<div></div>