EQ2's best Shadowknights.... Who are they?

[Kagatoey]

Well, my curious side is kicking in again and wants to know who some of EQ2's best Shadowknights are. I know that on my server, Butcherblock, Dogmae is by far the best one I've seen. So, yeah... just post their name and server.<div></div>

[G3IST]

no way, Avernus > Dogmae!

[Xautha]

Speaking of which, I wish they would have a sort of EQ2 best of the best tournament like they had back in EQ1. That would definitely answer your question. <div></div>

[Erratee2]

<DIV>at what? DPS? Tanking? or just PvP?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Very different Styles... very different SKs</DIV>

[Dogm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Erratee2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>at what? DPS? Tanking? or just PvP?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Very different Styles... very different SKs</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A good SK should be able to do both when needed.

[Kagatoey]

<div></div>Agreed, Dogmae. Oh, and when did you get the new hammer? What's it look like?<div></div><p>Message Edited by Kagatoeyo1 on <span class=date_text>11-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:57 PM</span>

[Erratee2]

<DIV>no doubt, but what i meant was lost apparently.</DIV> <DIV>Sure you can dps while tanking but when not in a tanking situation more... tools are rightly at your disposal.</DIV> <DIV>Of course both above are implied in a serious raid situation as i dont see groups as something that should be considered in this.</DIV> <DIV>Thats just my personal opinion though.</DIV>

[Boke]

there cant really be a "best" shadowknight on a server since each one has something better than the other imo

[Erratee2]

yea probably... but its fun to throw the idea out there ;P

[Lord Venothar]

Shargul, hands down... bring it

[Ajil]

<DIV>i wouldn't say i'm the best on Venekor, certainly not at pvp (as I'd have to say I'm probably not even top 5 in that category)...  that said, I did just get to tank Labs from start to finish and that felt pretty nice.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Kagatoey]

Well, you tanked it none the less which is hard enough, imo. Last time I tanked in a raid was in the CL instance like almost 2 years ago. XD<div></div>

[gnarkill]

<div></div>I have succesfully tanked everything numerous times (I still tank MO every week) in the game except Matron and Chel'drak (which will happen =p) and have the overall best SK pvp stats worldwide (alot of SK's are catching up though due to my beta break =p)...Bring it!But yes this is a vague question that cant really be answered<div></div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class=date_text>11-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:44 PM</span>

[plantb]

<DIV>Imo its not the best Sks per say, its more like the most respected SKs.  For that I would have to say the Beta testers.  They are the ones testing out our class and fighting the devs for change so that we all can be better SKs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Time to stop thinking as individuals and start thinking as a community, as EoF is gonna bring us a new lease of life (we hope) <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/speech off</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plant</DIV>

[Vexorkane]

<DIV>All your base belong to me!!11!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ahem.. sorry, but it makes sense that any one person in a/the top raiding guild on their server being fully committed to their class and further proving their worth by contributing to a raid/group as a whole to defeat end game content can be considered the "best." Oh and they (we're:smileywink: ) typically geared above and beyond the majority. The rest just have potential.  I do agree with Plant though, hats off to the beta testers.. I'm just not up for that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Vexorkane on <span class=date_text>11-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:25 AM</span>

[Ramglob]

<P>1st Master PVP SK EQ2 here!!!!!!!!  I will claim my throne. :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Squiggy</P> <P>But since I suck as a tank and my armor is made out of burlap I would have to say Gnarkill</P><p>Message Edited by Ramglobal on <span class=date_text>11-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:01 PM</span>

[DarkZombie]

<font face="Arial">Onionbreath, By far the best ever! on Guk</font><div></div>

[Torbas]

My vote on Guk goes to Veldrith... Only tank I've ever cleared Nizara with (and pretty easily) and we've also cleared the den in 16 minutes flat in a rather average group setup. This guy can get and keep aggro while pumping out dps better than any tank of any class I've come across.<div></div>

[Darkaren]

"My vote on Guk goes to Veldrith... Only tank I've ever cleared Nizara with (and pretty easily) and we've also cleared the den in 16 minutes flat in a rather average group setup. This guy can get and keep aggro while pumping out dps better than any tank of any class I've come across."Dude, im even ON YOUR SERVER.sheeshwe all know whos the best.darkarennpuskguk<div></div>

[DUNN]

I don't know most Sk's are pretty gimpie, and SOE likes to dresss them in PINK <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ZhouYu]

<EM>I believe I'm the only Master SK on pvp boards right now. Toon name is Luxun.</EM>

[clownsbad]

I would have to say on the Mistmoore server the best sk is Mycatdied.  Even though he is only lvl 17, and he is brand new to EQ.

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>ZhouYu wrote:<div></div><em>I believe I'm the only Master SK on pvp boards right now. Toon name is Luxun.</em><hr></blockquote>Titles at low lvls are a dime a dozen....keep Master when you are lvl 70 (and on Nagazerg) and i will give you props....Just ask Squiggy how different t7 is =)</div>

[MrDiz]

None of the above options can be the best because none of them are halflings. I know there is a lvl 70 halfling sk out there on one server, so it must be him <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Melseb]

Weaksauce on Kithicor is a halfling. <div></div>

[Ramglob]

Gratz on Master Luxon.  You have held it for a while as well which is very difficult so hats off to you!!!!!  Gnarkill is right though, t7 pvp is a much different beast.  Although if you are good at it...doesn't matter what level you are.  If you have a good tactical group and the time to raid / gear yourself properly  things won't change all that much for you.  I semi-retired Squiggy about 2 months ago.  Did not have time to raid (for gear) and my old guild went Wow.  I actually enjoy the lower tier 3 pvp much better.  Fights are much more tactical and not gankings.  The pvp is much more skill based rather than being dependant on raid gear.  Mucho.... many more targets to hit, you always have to be moving.   At t7 strong groups roam KOS so you must have a very good group to keep titles.  Anyhow, Gratz on being the only Master SK.  No one else can state that.  .................................. Although I did hit it twice before you were even a glimmer in your fathers eye!!!!!! <span>:smileyhappy:  Just kidding.</span> <div></div>

[Rylight]

from a nagafen server point of few, I would love to praise myself, but by now I am 5th on the list (of most kills for an sk) though remember I am guildless and have gotten those kills myself... still I will have to give mad props to gnarkill and squiggy for some of, if not the best sk's on the server. however that is on the ranks and ladders, and pve/pvp wise, I really dont know. honestly thats based on individual experience, for instance I am a great sk for pvp and pve groups,but I admittingly did a horrible job on my last group in SoS (then agian healers kept coming and going) still, it really just matters on the day and the mood/knowledge of the sk. <div></div>

[clamdiper]

If you think you're the best then you're probably not. Play the game and enjoy it.

[plantb]

<P>Again, none of you would be where you are now if it wasnt for the SKs that test the class out for flaws.</P> <P>Plant</P>

[Darkaren]

nobody cares about pvp sks.sorry.PvP sks are just second tier players that couldnt hack it in the guilds, servers, and competition.If you disagree, kindly list you former name, server, and guild. Accompanied with any other info you may feel makes you good.<div></div>

[Ramglob]

<DIV>Darkaren,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That must be your coping mechanism for feeling inferior and not having the courage to test your true skills.   Sorry....but that is just a fact.  Stop dissing other players that enjoy a different aspect of the game as you unless you have the grapes to play against other classes.</DIV>

[Ramglob]

<P>Rylight,</P> <P>I have always respected you very much ingame.  You seem to be a very mature player that is very knowledgable in regards to the attributes of the SK.  The fact that you are 2-3 kills away from hitting master and are not guilded is an accomplishment in itself.   You are one of the SK's that I truly respect in the game.  Thank you for the kind words.</P>

[Eluzay]

<div><blockquote><hr>Xautha wrote:Speaking of which, I wish they would have a sort of EQ2 best of the best tournament like they had back in EQ1. That would definitely answer your question. <div></div><hr></blockquote>problem with that is... sk vs sk is different than vs most other classes, just because you could best another SK does not mean you are the best in pvp. (I would define the best as either best raid tank or best pvper)I remember when I played WoW, I was a feared shamman by most including rouges, but vs another shaman I was not all that.</div>

[Eluzay]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:nobody cares about pvp sks.sorry.PvP sks are just second tier players that couldnt hack it in the guilds, servers, and competition.If you disagree, kindly list you former name, server, and guild. Accompanied with any other info you may feel makes you good.<div></div><hr></blockquote>you dont care about pvp sk's apparently you are not on a pvp server... I have no former name, server, or guild.  EQ in carebear form has little to no draw for me, I prefer a challenging environment where you fight things that are not predictable.pve=find the right recipy for killing something and do it, wash rinse and repeat.  Fun the first time, maybe the second, after that it is just farming.</div>

[Zanix]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkaren wrote:<BR>nobody cares about pvp sks.<BR><BR><BR>sorry.<BR><BR><BR><BR>PvP sks are just second tier players that couldnt hack it in the guilds, servers, and competition.<BR><BR><BR>If you disagree, kindly list you former name, server, and guild. Accompanied with any other info you may feel makes you good.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Hah. This is a joke. I did the blue server thing. and It held even LESS challenge for me personally. I don't see myself running around grouping with paladins and conjurers and monks. Sorry. </P> <P>I have ALL the content you have on your blue server... plus the added bonus of potential non FPs coming from no where and adding to the fun of the game. </P> <P>Do you realize how much MORE challenging it is taking out epic bosses with 1/2 the classes available usually? what content and challenge are you getting on a blue server that I don't on my red one?</P> <P> </P> <P>curious</P>

[Arieneth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ta2demon wrote:<BR> I have succesfully tanked everything numerous times (I still tank MO every week) in the game except Matron and Chel'drak (which will happen =p) and have the overall best SK pvp stats worldwide (alot of SK's are catching up though due to my beta break =p)...Bring it!<BR><BR>But yes this is a vague question that cant really be answered<BR> <P>Message Edited by ta2demon on <SPAN class=date_text>11-06-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:44 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i <EM>will </EM>catch you :smileywink:

[Zanix]

<P>Alex's KVD on Venekor is insanely good. And so is Pfeffer.</P> <P>but how do you measure a SK's greatness?</P> <P>I know Arieneth is not the only one,  but from what I understand .... "the" MT in a T7 guild. Which is impressive.</P> <P> </P> <P>I think anyone who can jump on this thread and vote for themselves should get a vote against them <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[Arieneth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zanix wrote:<BR> <P>Alex's KVD on Venekor is insanely good. And so is Pfeffer.</P> <P>but how do you measure a SK's greatness?</P> <P>I know Arieneth is not the only one,  but from what I understand .... "the" MT in a T7 guild. Which is impressive.</P> <P> </P> <P>I think anyone who can jump on this thread and vote for themselves should get a vote against them <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>im not the MT for my guild. it's either our zerker or guardian. but that's not to say i dont MT when needed. i have tanked all of Labs, Ascent, and i always tank MO (having essentially 3 rescues ensures agro is never lost during the burn).</P> <P>i think a lot more SK's are going to become MT's in EoF with the Despoil change, mit siphon, hate siphon, and the added hate to the caress line with the AA.</P>

[Zanix]

I hope so. nothing worse than being thrown in there by emergency now, and being not ready. At least then I can expect it happening, so prepare.

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

I am the MT for our guild T7 and share duty for our Raid alliance T7, always have. SK's are tough cookies when specc'd/geared for it.

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:nobody cares about pvp sks.sorry.PvP sks are just second tier players that couldnt hack it in the guilds, servers, and competition.If you disagree, kindly list you former name, server, and guild. Accompanied with any other info you may feel makes you good.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I disagree and have ONE toon (zero alts i swear) and thats my SK...Never played till Nagafen came out...I own your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing face by the way</div>

[Vexorkane]

<DIV>Someone should write up a test of sorts that asks questions like what a Shadowknight should do in some given situation or what role you are best suited for against an example encounter, etc.  That seems to be the only real justifiable way to judge talent/skill when thinking of PvP and PvE Shadowknights at once.  I know its kinda left field and probably no one would take the time to do it, but instead of making contrived statements about why so and so is better, or why PvP is g-hey, it makes sense that you should be set against some kind of standard to truly judge your own skill as a Shadowknight.  Just a thought.</DIV>

[Rylight]

I cant totally disagree with the above statement, but at the same time, the best sk's know exactly who they are. they are the sk's who take the time to understand their class, they are the sk's who have found out how to effeniciently solo, dps, Mt, group and even raid MT, and they are the sk's who take the time to buy top notch spells and armor, or group/raid for it. these sk's know who they are, and most of them have posted at least once on this forum. those sk's who take the time to become strong have done just that, through the nerfs, patches and expansions. the sk's who stuck through it all are probably the best sk's in the game, I have little more to say then that, whether pvp or pve. <div></div>

[plantb]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rylight wrote:<BR>I cant totally disagree with the above statement, but at the same time, the best sk's know exactly who they are. they are the sk's who take the time to understand their class, they are the sk's who have found out how to effeniciently solo, dps, Mt, group and even raid MT, and they are the sk's who take the time to buy top notch spells and armor, or group/raid for it. these sk's know who they are, and most of them have posted at least once on this forum.<BR><BR>those sk's who take the time to become strong have done just that, through the nerfs, patches and expansions. the sk's who stuck through it all are probably the best sk's in the game, I have little more to say then that, whether pvp or pve.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>/agree<BR>Without those SKs DM, Despoil etc may not of been touched, and from what I can remember the changes were their ideas.</P> <P>Sure you could be the best PVP or MT ingame, but unless you have contributed to the SK community it means Sweet FA to me.</P> <P>PS: Those SKs that thought we were "Fine" need not apply!</P> <P>Plant</P>

[ZhouYu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ramglobal wrote:<BR>Gratz on Master Luxon.  You have held it for a while as well which is very difficult so hats off to you!!!!!  Gnarkill is right though, t7 pvp is a much different beast.  Although if you are good at it...doesn't matter what level you are.  If you have a good tactical group and the time to raid / gear yourself properly  things won't change all that much for you.  I semi-retired Squiggy about 2 months ago.  Did not have time to raid (for gear) and my old guild went Wow.  I actually enjoy the lower tier 3 pvp much better.  Fights are much more tactical and not gankings.  The pvp is much more skill based rather than being dependant on raid gear.  Mucho.... many more targets to hit, you always have to be moving.   At t7 strong groups roam KOS so you must have a very good group to keep titles.  Anyhow, Gratz on being the only Master SK.  No one else can state that.  .................................. Although I did hit it twice before you were even a glimmer in your fathers eye!!!!!! <SPAN>:smileyhappy:  Just kidding.</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><EM>Aye, I'm actually moving to T7, I just wanted to be all ready for it. Been raiding on pve toons, got my full set of relic and all my masters. I wasn't about to walk into bunch of T7 players who have been there long enough to have raid gear and fight them with gimped mastercraft stuff lol. </EM></P> <P><EM>Looking forward to T7, I have never played Eq2 before, so I didn't know what to expect in T7, thats why it took  me a little while to move there.  Had to study the tier before hand.</EM></P>

[Liva]

My favorite SK on kithicor is Zoradan, he's so cuddly and warm and cute and errr i mean he's so mean and badass and cool.

[Zoradan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Livany wrote:<BR> My favorite SK on kithicor is Zoradan, he's so cuddly and warm and cute and errr i mean he's so mean and badass and cool.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh good Lord, thats what I get for trying to stack this thread in my favore... cuddly!?!?!  Ow hell I'm off to betray to a Pally.....<p>Message Edited by Zoradan on <span class=date_text>11-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:10 PM</span>

[Darkaren]

I disagree and have ONE toon (zero alts i swear) and thats my SK...Never played till Nagafen came out...I own your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing face by the wayYou wish, noob.<div></div>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:I disagree and have ONE toon (zero alts i swear) and thats my SK...Never played till Nagafen came out...I own your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing face by the wayYou wish, noob.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Guess we will never know cuz you would never show show your face...but trust me...I own your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing face...you sir are not good at pvp move along</div>

[Darkaren]

actually im quite good at pvp. I have a t7 master dirge. Not many accomplish that,and im currently working on a 34 ranger, hes getting pretty close to master.However, I dont spend the bulk of my time at pvp, Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?Darkaren, Guk,NePlusUltra.<div></div>

[Pitt Hammerfi]

<DIV>dont mess with me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Vexorkane]

<DIV>Don't confuse best guild ingame with best Shadowknight, where there is proof of one there is no proof of the other.</DIV>

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<DIV>Depends how you define best as well actually.</DIV>

[Dogm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CHIMPNOODLE. wrote:<BR> <DIV>Depends how you define best as well actually.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I declare myself the Best SK at tradeskilling.

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

Lol...:smileyvery-happy:..Gah! Tradeskilling is the bane of my existance. I'm leveling one just to finally get the KoS HQs done...48 armorer so far. It's like pulling teeth for me, even after the revamp.<p>Message Edited by CHIMPNOODLE. on <span class=date_text>11-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:18 PM</span>

[gnarkill]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?Darkaren, Guk,NePlusUltra.<div></div><hr></blockquote>No you are not and claiming to be in fact means you are not...I run circles around you pvp and pve, I have tanked everything in this game..every contested and every instanced except Chel and Matron (which will happen) and have better gear then you (yes I have seen yours) move along I dont care what guild your in...claiming to be the best makes you look like a dumb [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I am top of the SK pvp ladder...but you dont see me running around crying "I am the best SK pee vee pee'r evar!" cuz that would just sound dumb and there is no way to prove it....But I know one thing...your a bluebie carebear with zero clue what your talking about...</div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class=date_text>11-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:24 PM</span>

[Ramglob]

<P>Go Gnarkill Go!!!!!!!  You let him have it!!!!!!!</P> <P> </P> <P>Squiggy</P>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:actually im quite good at pvp. I have a t7 master dirge. Not many accomplish that,Darkaren, Guk,NePlusUltra.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Not on Nagafen and thats all that matters....And you choosing a dirge for your "pvp" class (lol) end of story....</div>

[Mmaster]

You both are smacktards with no lives, so who cares either way? you both lose.<div></div>

[Nicholai24]

I would rather admit to playing Warhammer 40k than admit to being a member of NPU.<div></div>

[Darkaren]

<DIV>Gear makes players, obviously. Seeing as you have only seen what I camped out in.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ive still accomplished more than you can even dream of. That pretty much sums it up. Let me know if you can even beat Djinn master prism. I might gain a little more respect for you, rather than someone I see here, calling out sks, proclaiming that because you decided to play a shadowknight in pvp when it was released that you know anything about raiding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plain and simple, you dont.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I ask you again, why would I trade the best shadowknight in game to roll a new toon on a pvp server? Because im a bluebie. I can accept that, you still will never match me, nor can you match my guilds accomplishments in the same expansion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dont feed me the pvp makes it impossible to kill matron, because you and I know that might be true. Yet It does not stop you from killing instanced encounter.</DIV> <DIV>End of story, the rest of the eq2 world looks at pvp servers as a joke to serious raiding. Grow up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Darkaren]

<DIV>also, why not trying a class that might take difficulty to be good at in pvp, then compare your abilities.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hey, I can cast a lifetap ward, followed by tap veins, and if I need to, harm touch, man I must be some sort of god.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And youd be right, sks are gods.</DIV>

[Darkaren]

<DIV>If a sk I know has a good head on his shoulders, Its dogmae. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another thing I will not accept is someone telling me I dont know what im talking about.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People ask for, and take my advice why? You may have to ask them. </DIV> <DIV>If dogmae says Im clueless, Ill even beleive it, and proclaim myself the worst sk in the game. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Simple as that. Some pvp sk that doesnt have the slightlest clue about where the class came from, and things its endured on real servers, should not lecture those of us whove played it for two years now. Thanks.</DIV>

[Tasmai]

<P>Well said Dark. </P> <P>Gnar seems competent, but to proclaim himself the best sk in the game (which he obviously isn't) because he has pvp stats? [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is that? </P> <P>Not really any sk's on my server who are comparable to me, so worldwide I can only go by whats said on the worldwide sk channel, whats on these forums and by comparing gear/stats/aa's via eq2players (those that have it viewable anyways), so my vote would have to go to Dog and Dark. But it's purely speculation anyways, as there is no way to prove anything. Claiming to be able to tank anything in the game really holds no merit as there are many of us who could, given the oppurtunity, do the same thing. </P>

[gnarkill]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Tasmai wrote:<div></div> <p>Well said Dark. </p> <p>Gnar seems competent, <b>but to proclaim himself the best sk in the game (which he obviously isn't) because he has pvp stats?</b> [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is that? </p> <p>Not really any sk's on my server who are comparable to me, so worldwide I can only go by whats said on the worldwide sk channel, whats on these forums and by comparing gear/stats/aa's via eq2players (those that have it viewable anyways), so my vote would have to go to Dog and Dark. But it's purely speculation anyways, as there is no way to prove anything. Claiming to be able to tank anything in the game really holds no merit as there are many of us who could, given the oppurtunity, do the same thing. </p><hr></blockquote>I never claimed any such thing....detect sarcasm much? I would not say anyone was the best SK WW that would be dumb...Dark claimed HE was...scroll up and see his post and thats why I called him out...Tell me what you as an SK personally have accomplished Dark that i have not? Please enlighten me....BTW I have seen your gear on your server after you posted that I came and saw you....not on eq2players</div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class=date_text>11-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:55 AM</span>

[gnarkill]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:nobody cares about pvp sks.sorry.PvP sks are just second tier players that couldnt hack it in the guilds, servers, and competition.If you disagree, kindly list you former name, server, and guild. Accompanied with any other info you may feel makes you good.<b>AND</b>However, I dont spend the bulk of my time at pvp, Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?Darkaren, Guk,NePlusUltra.<div></div><hr></blockquote>According to your above posts YOU came to call out people not me...I was sticking up for myself and others that know your full of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]...Dont twist it </div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class=date_text>11-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:02 AM</span>

[Ramglob]

It is people like Dark that don't have the courage to put his skills against other players on a populated PVP server.  Your mother would be ashamed.

[HentaiB]

I declare myself the finest and bestest 1/2 elf SK on guk.  At least untill somebody rolls one that gets beyond 50.

[Darkaren]

its that simple.Dekeon is the second best. !But seriouslty tho, I am the bestBTW i do play pvp you idiots. Just not on my sk.<div></div>

[Ramglob]

No you don't!!!!

[Darkaren]

YES I DO<div></div>

[Ramglob]

No.  I don't think you do!!!!  By the way I once tanked the Grolven Chiptooth

[Darkaren]

dood. I so totally wear augurspike.BEST EARRING EVA<div></div>

[Seiden]

Slithery on the oasis server is the Sexiest. I would say the best, but that would be questioning my sexuality.<div></div>

[Darkaren]

<DIV>hey gnarkill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if your so adiment that you have no alts. open up your bio, I actually went to look at you today while the servers were down. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Funny, you dont have better gear than me, where did that statement come from?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also. Your not a master anymore.</DIV>

[Ramglob]

<DIV>It is very obvious that you are envious of Gnarkill Dark..........Just try not to make it so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] obvious!!!!!!!!</DIV>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkaren wrote:<BR> <DIV>hey gnarkill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if your so adiment that you have no alts. open up your bio, I actually went to look at you today while the servers were down. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Funny, you dont have better gear than me, where did that statement come from?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also. Your not a master anymore.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>This is what I see. Someone from a guild that has their entire guild on the test servers fighting mobs that SoE gives them a blueprint to flaming someone else because . . . .???? Mature eh? I don't see much better than you. He never  claimed that he was the best, he's had plenty of others do that for him which says a lot in my eyes. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[Lerai]

so how do these "changes" from the expansion affect PvP for SK?  Better or worse?.....I'm just a lowbie SK...I'm trying to get a higher level's pov.

[Darkaren]

"This is what I see. Someone from a guild that has their entire guild on the test servers fighting mobs that SoE gives them a blueprint to flaming someone else because . . . .???? Mature eh? I don't see much better than you. He never  claimed that he was the best, he's had plenty of others do that for him which says a lot in my eyes."This is what I see. You have no idea what your talking about with regards to testing. If youd like to go into it, feel free to pm or send me a tell in game. Im pretty sick of typing any of it on the boards. People are stupid, plain in simple. Wait, wait, I forgot, we spawned a mender at d jinn master prism, thats the only way we could have been there till 4am. My bad.I flame him because h feels that because hes a pvp sk, hes the best sk in the game. Hes indeed very wrong. I think the fact that he has been sucessful clouded his eyes to interserver compettion that has been going on for two years now. Being a noob to the game, and sucess in general, He ultimately feels hes on top of the game. Its kind of like when a guild clears labs, they have this newly endowed feeling that they are indeed "uber". Then they try something along the lines of the matron, or even cheldrak.Lets not even mention the kinds of benefits being on a pvp server has to raiding. Have you ever looked at the pvp rewards?Im just trying to show a kid that he doesnt really know what hes entering in to yet. Because youve finally done something, yea you have a reason to be proud sure, but the illusion your given that your on top. So very wrong.<div></div>

[Ramglob]

You spelled Competition wrong!!!!  Gnarkill would have never spelled that word wrong.

[Ultimatum]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:Lets not even mention the kinds of benefits being on a pvp server has to raiding. Have you ever looked at the pvp rewards?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Hmmmm do you know ANYTHING about what you are talking about?  No?  Thought so.  Gnarkill is in an Exiled guild...there are no pvp rewards for Exiles.  Besides, PvP rewards are just a substitute for raid gear for the people who only PvP...For evey piece of PvP gear there are 10s of raid fabled that are MUCH better.  Maybe you could see the bigger picture if you removed your head from your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  Gnarkill is a very good SK...no doubt one of the best, and the fact that other people attest to it furthers that assumption.  He also helps out the SK community, which I have yet to see you do.  Keep it up though...maybe someone will make a "Douchiest SK" thread where you could reign supreme <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></div>

[Ramglob]

<P>In all seriousness, I believe the reward should go to Gnarkill because he has set the bar in both PVE and PVP.   I have done well in PVP but have not accomplished anything in regards to the PVE aspect of the game.   Gnarkill has accomplished a lot in both aspects.   I have no doubt that there are excellent SK's on the PVE servers.  I have no doubt that they all would do very well in PVP for the most part.   Since I have not played on a PVE server I can not attest to the skills of other SK's.   IMO.....until you fight the best of the other classes in random environments you can not claim to be the top SK.  I go with what I know.  </P> <P> </P> <P>Squiggy </P>

[DUNN]

<DIV>You guys arguing are so full of yourselves LOL.  Look the best Sk is the one who never asked anyone how to do this or that. Rather he helped you noobs with questions and answered them.  Since I am sure all you noobs including myself asked for help at one point from another sk you are not it.  Besides we ware pink lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PVP isn't any Better than PVE it's just different. All things being equal it comes down to luck and random number generators if you can't see that hen you have issues.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>take your [Removed for Content] contest to PM's and save us from your ubberness.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And before you run and look at my gear and cry wolf i was crafting noob (who ever does it first) <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by DUNN on <span class=date_text>11-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:40 PM</span>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:<div>hey gnarkill.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>if your so adiment that you have no alts. open up your bio, I actually went to look at you today while the servers were down. </div> <div> </div> <div>Funny, you dont have better gear than me, where did that statement come from?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Also. Your not a master anymore.</div><hr></blockquote>Actually you [Removed for Content] those alts are spies parked at contested mobs that never get played....yes my gear is better then yours I wear no lame resist gear and have more mit..And still I have the best overall resists worldwide for SKs <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/leaderboards/classLeaderboardReport.action?report=highest_avg_r esists&classId=9" target=_blank>See?</a> where are you on that list? Like you said before..you saw gear i logged off in..make an exile come check me out..BTW pvp boards are broken and I am a General not a Master</div>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DUNN wrote:<BR> <DIV>You guys arguing are so full of yourselves LOL.  Look the best Sk is the one who never asked anyone how to do this or that. Rather he helped you noobs with questions and answered them.  Since I am sure all you noobs including myself asked for help at one point from another sk you are not it.  Besides we ware pink lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PVP isn't any Better than PVE it's just different. All things being equal it comes down to luck and random number generators if you can't see that hen you have issues.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>take your [Removed for Content] contest to PM's and save us from your ubberness.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And before you run and look at my gear and cry wolf i was crafting noob (who ever does it first) <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <P>Message Edited by DUNN on <SPAN class=date_text>11-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:40 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Just fyi, I'm not a part of the flame as I could honestly care less who believes that my skill as a SK places me in the top or not. I personally do not like to see useless flamming and that's what I saw. Someone claiming to be the best defending his/her self proclaimed title of uberness due to their guild flamming someone else because they're on a different server and a different type of server because. . . .?? I do want to add that asking anyone a question reguarding an aspect of the class you don't understand should not be held against someone and their skill. Personally, I've never asked another SK for help but that's me and my process of understanding a subject/concept/idea/ect. I want to add though that out of all of the names i've seen post here in this thread . . .not a single one of those names have been involved in a thread that I've read/posted in outside of Plant that reguarded SK's and our overall effectivness. . . .and i'm not going to comment on my thoughts about Plant and that subject. </P> <P>The issue with this thread is that it is not specific enough. There are many roles that we can play with our class and that is not taken into consideration. For example, i'm prolly one of the best SK's on my server AT TANKING, but i have yet to find a casting order or method that prevents me from pulling agro at 700DPS on single target and 1K on multiple targets in raids. While I may be considered an awsome tanking SK on my server (not stating this, just using myself as an example <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />), i'm not exactly the guy to run to for a DPS casting order/AA set-up. If we're going to start an [Removed for Content] thread reguarding who is the best of the best, then we'll have to be a bit more specific or else we're going to wind up with 200 pages of SK's flaming eachother over the different aspects of our class.</P>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkaren wrote:<BR>"This is what I see. Someone from a guild that has their entire guild on the test servers fighting mobs that SoE gives them a blueprint to flaming someone else because . . . .???? Mature eh? I don't see much better than you. He never  claimed that he was the best, he's had plenty of others do that for him which says a lot in my eyes."<BR><BR>This is what I see. You have no idea what your talking about with regards to testing. If youd like to go into it, feel free to pm or send me a tell in game. Im pretty sick of typing any of it on the boards. People are stupid, plain in simple. Wait, wait, I forgot, we spawned a mender at d jinn master prism, thats the only way we could have been there till 4am. My bad.<BR><BR>I flame him because h feels that because hes a pvp sk, hes the best sk in the game. Hes indeed very wrong. I think the fact that he has been sucessful clouded his eyes to interserver compettion that has been going on for two years now. Being a noob to the game, and sucess in general, He ultimately feels hes on top of the game. Its kind of like when a guild clears labs, they have this newly endowed feeling that they are indeed "uber". Then they try something along the lines of the matron, or even cheldrak.<BR><BR>Lets not even mention the kinds of benefits being on a pvp server has to raiding. Have you ever looked at the pvp rewards?<BR><BR>Im just trying to show a kid that he doesnt really know what hes entering in to yet. Because youve finally done something, yea you have a reason to be proud sure, but the illusion your given that your on top. So very wrong.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Your replies are just flames. There is nothing constructive behind anything you've stated so far outside of a battle between PvP and PvE servers. I'm sorry, but I have yet to even hear about you or your contribution to SK's in general. Gnarkill on the other hand I have heard plenty about even if he is newer than you may be. If you have a reason to argue that he is not as skilled as you or should not be considered for a board title that others are giving him over yourself, then by all means . . please post away showing us your reasoning. So far everything that you've stated has been opiniated or disproved. This should be a thread for glory for those that have learned their class and helped others along their way in the game, not a flame war because someone's ego was hurt. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[gnarkill]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>DUNN wrote:<div></div> <div>You guys arguing are so full of yourselves LOL.  <b>Look the best Sk is the one who never asked anyone how to do this or that</b>. Rather he helped you noobs with questions and answered them.  Since I am sure all you noobs including myself asked for help at one point from another sk you are not it.  Besides we ware pink lol</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>I was the second lvl 70 sk on my server (first one quit back in april) then I exiled and was ONLY exile SK..meaning I had no other SK to speak to..I never even asked for help on these SK forums TMK.... I get people that log on to Nagafen lvl a toon up to 10..Then exile him to ask me about SKs and I have no problem helping them out..That in its own right has to mean something....Our guard quit I stepped up to MT and learned to tank everything in the game (minus chel and matron) by myself and the rest is history...I by no means think I am the "best sk" as you can only be so good at anything in this game and alot of SKs have masterd there class...My definiton of the best SKs are people who can do anything that is needed in any situation pvp/pve at the drop of a hat...So in my eyes probably ALOT of us SKs are tied as "top sk" and I will leave it at that</div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class=date_text>11-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:32 PM</span>

[ZhouYu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkaren wrote:<BR>actually im quite good at pvp. I have a t7 master dirge. Not many accomplish that,<BR><BR>and im currently working on a 34 ranger, hes getting pretty close to master.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>However, I dont spend the bulk of my time at pvp, Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?<BR><BR>Darkaren, Guk,<BR>NePlusUltra.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><EM>If we are talking about pvp titles, atleast on the pvp boards I was the only Master SK. Toon name Luxun.</EM>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>ZhouYu wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Darkaren wrote:actually im quite good at pvp. I have a t7 master dirge. Not many accomplish that,and im currently working on a 34 ranger, hes getting pretty close to master.However, I dont spend the bulk of my time at pvp, Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?Darkaren, Guk,NePlusUltra. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote><em>If we are talking about pvp titles, <b>atleast on the pvp boards I was the only Master SK. Toon name Luxun.</b></em><hr></blockquote>You have made that blatently clear 1000 times...T7 wont be nice to you =)</div>

[Darkaren]

you all really make me laugh. I wonder why I ever came back to these boards.I have not, and will not ask for any of your help.Even if I did, id go to a proven sk anyway.DOGMAE FOR PRESIDENT!<div></div>

[Addex]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkaren wrote:<BR>you all really make me laugh. I wonder why I ever came back to these boards.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>To brag about being the best when you are not? </P>

[Ramglob]

LOL.....OWNED!!!!!!!

[Vexorkane]

<P>What.. the.. F- uck..</P> <P>Respect me now!  All your base are belong to me!!</P> <P>Go kill something people.</P><p>Message Edited by Vexorkane on <span class=date_text>11-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:29 AM</span>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:<b><font size="5">you all</font></b> really make me laugh. I wonder why I ever came back to these boards.I have not, and will not ask for any of your help.Even if I did, id go to a proven sk anyway.DOGMAE FOR PRESIDENT!<div></div><hr></blockquote>You just proved you have delusions of grandeur...You said "YOU ALL" I guess that means everyone is nuts besides you right? Fade away scrub SK...I/we own your face</div>

[ZhouYu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ta2demon wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZhouYu wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkaren wrote:<BR>actually im quite good at pvp. I have a t7 master dirge. Not many accomplish that,<BR><BR>and im currently working on a 34 ranger, hes getting pretty close to master.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>However, I dont spend the bulk of my time at pvp, Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?<BR><BR>Darkaren, Guk,<BR>NePlusUltra.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><EM>If we are talking about pvp titles, <B>atleast on the pvp boards I was the only Master SK. Toon name Luxun.</B></EM><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You have made that blatently clear 1000 times...T7 wont be nice to you =)<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><EM>I'm in T7 now and been pvping at 62 (which is the worst T7lvl for pvp) and yet to die. Sorry I don't claim to be the best SK because I hate pve and hate being a tank and all. Though when it comes to pvp I like to claim my place because it's not easy to be a Master SK. So both you need be quiet already about which one of you is a better SK pvper, the measuring stick in EQ2 is the pvp titles and in that aspect I have you both beat. </EM>

[gnarkill]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>ZhouYu wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ta2demon wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> ZhouYu wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Darkaren wrote:actually im quite good at pvp. I have a t7 master dirge. Not many accomplish that,and im currently working on a 34 ranger, hes getting pretty close to master.However, I dont spend the bulk of my time at pvp, Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?Darkaren, Guk,NePlusUltra. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote><em>If we are talking about pvp titles, <b>atleast on the pvp boards I was the only Master SK. Toon name Luxun.</b></em> <hr> </blockquote>You have made that blatently clear 1000 times...T7 wont be nice to you =)</div> <hr> </blockquote><em>I'm in T7 now and been pvping at 62 (which is the worst T7lvl for pvp) and yet to die. Sorry I don't claim to be the best SK because I hate pve and hate being a tank and all. Though when it comes to pvp I like to claim my place because it's not easy to be a Master SK. So both you need be quiet already about which one of you is a better SK pvper, <b><font size="5">the measuring stick in EQ2 is the pvp titles</font></b> and in that aspect I have you both beat. </em><hr></blockquote>hahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahah thanks for that laugh! Are you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing serious? You sir just owned yourself! GGEDIT: Titles mean [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]...Just means you can evac faster then the group coming after you...God your a dumb [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]...Please reroll on the real pvp server so I can teabag your face...I cant believe you think titles are the "measuring" stick for pvp...Wow just wow man....Grats on gilgame status</div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class=date_text>11-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:16 PM</span>

[ZhouYu]

<P><EM>Not really, you like to think you are the best, and try to nullify the fact that you don't have the highest title to back it up. Simple fact is, if just evacing was the way to get a master title as a SK, surely you and a lot of other people would have it. Remember pre-eof dispatch ? How many people rolled a brigand and got a master title ? If there is a cheap and easy way to get a title more than one person would have it, trust me. </EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM>You are just upset because you don't have what it takes to plan ahead, fight a battle with strategy, think of surviving and think how to get kills. Remember that every 12 yeear old nub could go dash his enemy and "fight to death" and claim he is the best SK because he fights to the end. Though it takes a talented player to be able to get his kills and survive the battle every night.  </EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM>Bottom lineis, if you think you are the best SK pvper, and if you think titles don't mean jack and they are easy to get it, then prove it to me. Go get yourself a master title on your SK, take [Removed for Content] and prove. It shouldn't be too hard for the "self-proclaimed" best SK now should it ? You even gonan have a easier time than I did with all the resists nerfs. So go ahead, prove it.</EM></P>

[Zanix]

I'm the best SK to not give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about reading this thread.

[Arieneth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZhouYu wrote:<BR> <P><EM>Not really, you like to think you are the best, and try to nullify the fact that you don't have the highest title to back it up. Simple fact is, if just evacing was the way to get a master title as a SK, surely you and a lot of other people would have it. Remember pre-eof dispatch ? How many people rolled a brigand and got a master title ? If there is a cheap and easy way to get a title more than one person would have it, trust me. </EM></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>when you actually reach end game, then you can have an opinion that someone might care about. thing's change a lot when you cap out and you will find that out the hard way. it is a lot harder to get a high title at lvl 70 than the lower levels.</FONT></P> <P><EM>You are just upset because you don't have what it takes to plan ahead, fight a battle with strategy, think of surviving and think how to get kills. Remember that every 12 yeear old nub could go dash his enemy and "fight to death" and claim he is the best SK because he fights to the end. Though it takes a talented player to be able to get his kills and survive the battle every night.  </EM></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>it's funny...you say Gnarkill doesn't know how to survive and get kills...yet he is the number 1 ranked SK for kills gamewide. and his death count is rather low comparatively. to me...it sounds like he has pretty good planning and strategy.</FONT></P> <P><EM>Bottom lineis, if you think you are the best SK pvper, and if you think titles don't mean jack and they are easy to get it, then prove it to me. Go get yourself a master title on your SK, take [Removed for Content] and prove. It shouldn't be too hard for the "self-proclaimed" best SK now should it ? You even gonan have a easier time than I did with all the resists nerfs. So go ahead, prove it.</EM></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>there is much more to this game than the title placed in front of your name. titles are mostly reserved for the best runners, quickest evacers, and those with "i win" buttons. if you are going to attempt to compare yourself to Gnarkill and talk trash you should at least put yourself on an equal playing field. go level yourself to 70 and prove yourself to the SK community that you aren't just some loser that hides behind evac, HT, and zone lines.</FONT></P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ff0000>too lazy to read the rest of this thread, but did you post your in game name and server?</FONT> <P><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <P> </P>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Venymous wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ZhouYu wrote: <div></div></blockquote> <blockquote><font color="#ff0000">too lazy to read the rest of this thread, but did you post your in game name and server?</font> <p></p> <p></p> <hr> </blockquote> <p> yes he did...practically every post lol....</p> <hr></blockquote></div>

[ZhouYu]

<P><EM>Well I'm lvl 62 right now, yet to be killed. Notmuch difference really, and once I hit 67 my relicg ear will make things even easier than they were in lower tiers. In lower tiers you couldn't cap out your resists, put in the all mighty relic gear and dominate thinking you were good. You had to fight mostly in mastercraft gear against people who were also in mastercraft gear, thus your skilsl determined victory not your gear. </EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM>As far as total kills go, grats, he has killed 2000 more bots than I have. I don'thave the time to pvp as often, and i'm not intrested in ganking bots all day long to stack up on total kills. I go after people who have high titles, which means they are the pvpers, I kill them not bunch of peopel trying to grind from 60-70 in unlimited zones. Your arguement about him being the best because he has most number of kills is completely unreasonable and doesn't make any sense. </EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM>I know I'm going to be out numbered in this arguement, because I am after all the only master SK worldwide, and a lot of non-masters like to think they are good regardless of their lower pvp title so they all bond together and try to convince themselves that titles don't matter. However titles actually do prove a few things : </EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM>- You aren't out killing greys or bots or non-pvpers. </EM></P> <P><EM>- You are killing players who are within 8 lvl range of yourself and they also carry a title equal, one below or one above yourself. </EM></P> <P><EM>- When you are a master you can only get infamy from very few players, who are also the group who care about their pvp titles, so catching them and killing them takes a lot more skill than ganking someone who si grindign and doesn'tcare about pvp just for the sake of getting a kill score. </EM></P> <P><EM>- Having a master title notonly means you know how to win a battle, but it also means you know how to survive it. </EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM>Simply put, I'm notclaimign to be the best SK, because i lack the pve tanking skilsl and such. However if you want to claim that you are the best SK pvper, I hate to burst your bubble but you need more than just a high number of total kills. PvP titles only come from killing players that are within 8 lvl rage of you and are also nearly as skilled as yourself. even killing a player 8lvls above you that doesn't have a dreadnaught (now general) title won't give you infamy, and trust me 90% of the time if you kill a slayer that is 8 lvls above you, he wouldn't be nearly as well equipped. When you kill a dreadnaught that is 8 lvls above you, chances are he is a great geared player with a lot of masters. So you do the math yourself. Don't make unedcuated bitter reponses because you don't have a master title yourself, loo kat the facts.</EM></P>

[gnarkill]

You think I go out killing bots? Thats your best hypothesis? My kills from my skill and my guildies...<a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/leaderboards/guildLeaderboardReport.action?report=highest_pvp_k ills_per_member" target=_blank>Maybe thats why Havoc is number one in pvp kills per member worldwide</a>...You have no clue how Nagafen pvp is do you? Ask anyone who has rerolled here from another pvp server...It is a whole different game....Anyway titles mean jack [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and your the ONLY one pushing that...Are you a Master? Yes (or were) Am I a General? Yes.. Do I or anyone else care? No...just stop <div></div>

[ZhouYu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ta2demon wrote:<BR>You think I go out killing bots? Thats your best hypothesis? My kills from my skill and my guildies...<A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/leaderboards/guildLeaderboardReport.action?report=highest_pvp_k ills_per_member" target=_blank>Maybe thats why Havoc is number one in pvp kills per member worldwide</A>...You have no clue how Nagafen pvp is do you? Ask anyone who has rerolled here from another pvp server...It is a whole different game....Anyway titles mean jack [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and your the ONLY one pushing that...Are you a Master? Yes (or were) Am I a General? Yes.. Do I or anyone else care? No...just stop <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><EM>You don't care about titles because you couldn't get and keep a master title if you wanted. If you play your SK the way it was meant to be played, if you have the group leadership skills + personal combatant skills, if you understand the game well enough to be able to survive any situation, if you know your enemy well enough to be able to guess his path of escape and reteart and to be able to read his moves and counter,  only if you know all that you will be able to get a master title as a SK. Thus why you and not many others have a master SK, simply its too difficult. </EM></P> <P><EM>Titles don't mean jack to you because you can't get them simple as that. If you claim getting a title doesn't mean anything, then again prove me wrong, go get yourself a master title as a SK. Challenge is wide open, put your money where your mouth is. I will be waiting for SS from you with a master title right next to your SK.</EM></P>

[Mmaster]

<div><blockquote><hr>ta2demon wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?Darkaren, Guk,NePlusUltra.<div></div><hr></blockquote>No you are not and claiming to be in fact means you are not...I run circles around you pvp and pve, I have tanked everything in this game..every contested and every instanced except Chel and Matron (which will happen) and have better gear then you (yes I have seen yours) move along I dont care what guild your in...claiming to be the best makes you look like a dumb [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I am top of the SK pvp ladder...but you dont see me running around crying "I am the best SK pee vee pee'r evar!" cuz that would just sound dumb and there is no way to prove it....But I know one thing...your a bluebie carebear with zero clue what your talking about...</div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class="date_text">11-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:24 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Don't bring gear into this, thats a total cop-out. Anyone who came in as a shadowknight in KoS hasn't proven themselves in previous expansions, where you had to work for your gear. Everyone in KoS had their fabled handed to them on a silver platter, you didn't need skill in KoS you just had to power through it with uber gear. So the question is, who tanked labs for you so you could farm your skill? Suddenly every sk has an opinion just becuase there was a blue light special on fabled gear.Gnarkill take your posse of brown nosers that lick it up because they need you to kill more q's, back to your pvp server, and entertain the falacy that you accomplished something.Darkaren, stop throwing your hubris around on the noobs, they're getting upset.Moderators, delete this pointless thread that does nothing but get everyones pink panties in a bunch.</div>

[Arieneth]

<div><blockquote><hr>ZhouYu wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ta2demon wrote:You think I go out killing bots? Thats your best hypothesis? My kills from my skill and my guildies...<a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/leaderboards/guildLeaderboardReport.action?report=highest_pvp_k ills_per_member" target="_blank">Maybe thats why Havoc is number one in pvp kills per member worldwide</a>...You have no clue how Nagafen pvp is do you? Ask anyone who has rerolled here from another pvp server...It is a whole different game....Anyway titles mean jack [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and your the ONLY one pushing that...Are you a Master? Yes (or were) Am I a General? Yes.. Do I or anyone else care? No...just stop <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p><em>You don't care about titles because you couldn't get and keep a master title if you wanted. If you play your SK the way it was meant to be played, if you have the group leadership skills + personal combatant skills, if you understand the game well enough to be able to survive any situation, if you know your enemy well enough to be able to guess his path of escape and reteart and to be able to read his moves and counter,  only if you know all that you will be able to get a master title as a SK. Thus why you and not many others have a master SK, simply its too difficult. </em></p> <p><em>Titles don't mean jack to you because you can't get them simple as that. If you claim getting a title doesn't mean anything, then again prove me wrong, go get yourself a master title as a SK. Challenge is wide open, put your money where your mouth is. I will be waiting for SS from you with a master title right next to your SK.</em></p><hr></blockquote>man you are too much. the people like you who care that much about titles are the people that deserve them the least. it's been proven time and time again. when i was leveling up, i powered thru ranks to Dreadnaught along with my guildies. i was well on my way to Master and was 3rd in line to get it the day we exiled. now (as shown in Gnarkill's link), my guild is top ranked in kills per member on my server and I am #2 ranked SK for kills. we play to kill and to kill as many people as possible. that is the essence of pvp. my guild holdes the top 4 positions in kills on my server with 2 more in the top 10 and others very close.you need to s.t.f.u. and level to 70 so you can learn what high level, end game pvp is like. here's a real challenge for YOU. keep your precious Master title at 70. there's an accomplishment.</div>

[Ramglob]

<DIV>Slithery,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't even think you play an SK.  I also am pretty darn sure that Oasis is not a server either!!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Respectfully,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Squiggy</DIV>

[ZhouYu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Venymous wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZhouYu wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ta2demon wrote:<BR>You think I go out killing bots? Thats your best hypothesis? My kills from my skill and my guildies...<A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/leaderboards/guildLeaderboardReport.action?report=highest_pvp_k ills_per_member" target=_blank>Maybe thats why Havoc is number one in pvp kills per member worldwide</A>...You have no clue how Nagafen pvp is do you? Ask anyone who has rerolled here from another pvp server...It is a whole different game....Anyway titles mean jack [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and your the ONLY one pushing that...Are you a Master? Yes (or were) Am I a General? Yes.. Do I or anyone else care? No...just stop <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><EM>You don't care about titles because you couldn't get and keep a master title if you wanted. If you play your SK the way it was meant to be played, if you have the group leadership skills + personal combatant skills, if you understand the game well enough to be able to survive any situation, if you know your enemy well enough to be able to guess his path of escape and reteart and to be able to read his moves and counter,  only if you know all that you will be able to get a master title as a SK. Thus why you and not many others have a master SK, simply its too difficult. </EM></P> <P><EM>Titles don't mean jack to you because you can't get them simple as that. If you claim getting a title doesn't mean anything, then again prove me wrong, go get yourself a master title as a SK. Challenge is wide open, put your money where your mouth is. I will be waiting for SS from you with a master title right next to your SK.</EM></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>man you are too much. the people like you who care that much about titles are the people that deserve them the least. it's been proven time and time again. when i was leveling up, i powered thru ranks to Dreadnaught along with my guildies. i was well on my way to Master and was 3rd in line to get it the day we exiled. now (as shown in Gnarkill's link), my guild is top ranked in kills per member on my server and I am #2 ranked SK for kills. we play to kill and to kill as many people as possible. that is the essence of pvp. my guild holdes the top 4 positions in kills on my server with 2 more in the top 10 and others very close.<BR><BR>you need to s.t.f.u. and level to 70 so you can learn what high level, end game pvp is like. here's a real challenge for YOU. keep your precious Master title at 70. there's an accomplishment.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><EM>Now no need to get all fired up and rude, I simply layed a challenge out for you, you refuse to prove and back up your claims. </EM></P> <P><EM>You see claiming to be the best is a matter of opinion. Always there will be those who will agree and those who disagree and it always depends on whichside of the fence you are. So opinions don'tmatter much, because everyone got theirs. True skill is measured by acomplishments, you can be the greatest football player for example, yet if you don't win player of the year rewards and someone else does ..well guess ? you will not go down in history as the greatst football player, regardless of how many times your teamates shout and claim that you are the best. </EM></P> <P><EM>I'm sure you are a good fighter no dount, but hey you need to face facts, someone on another server  maybe just as good as you and maybe a little better. Now I have the results and acomplishments which are currently above what you have. So why don't you get your head out of your rear end and realize that fact that someone out there has done more than you have. </EM></P>

[Zanix]

Titles Schmittles. they mean nothing. <div></div>

[Zanix]

hell, for that matter. I will safely say that PVP kills dosn't make ANYONE a better player. In fact, In my experience (and this is most likely a FACT) if you go out to PVP, got the right classes (not even that important) you come home with many deaths under your belt. <div></div>

[Pitt Hammerfi]

let this thread die in peace

[ZhouYu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zanix wrote:<BR>hell, for that matter. I will safely say that PVP kills dosn't make ANYONE a better player. <BR><BR>In fact, In my experience (and this is most likely a FACT) if you go out to PVP, got the right classes (not even that important) you come home with many deaths under your belt. <BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><EM>Thus why if a cursade focuses on leading his group like he is suppose to, rather then chest pounding and trying to play like a scout, they will be really successful. In my opinion every class can get a master title if they play their role and stop trying to be the killing machine scouts are. I can assure you everyone in this thread thinks they are the best SK, think they are the best equipped and such, but I tell you only a few know when is the right time to hit death march in a pvp encounter. Being the best like I said, is matter of opinion, what measures your skills and abilities is your level of success. You can be the greatest SK, the best equipped one, but if you can't play your leadership role and achive success, then you are good for nothing. </EM></P> <P><EM>To me SK class is the best suited class to lead in pvp, so those that know how to play their role right, will be successful.</EM></P>

[Zanix]

LOL.do you even play on a PVP server? i think if the thread was <b>EQ2's worst Shadowknights...Who are they? </b>then you might hold more credibility<div></div>

[ZhouYu]

<DIV><EM>Considering I am the ONLY Master SK worldwide, I would liek to say yes I play on a pvp server. Toon name is Luxun.</EM></DIV>

[Trop]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pitt Hammerfist wrote:<div></div>let this thread die in peace<hr></blockquote>Amen.</div>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mmaster wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>ta2demon wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:Because, I am the best shadowknight in the game. Why give that up for some lame title you covet so dear?Darkaren, Guk,NePlusUltra.<div></div><hr></blockquote>No you are not and claiming to be in fact means you are not...I run circles around you pvp and pve, I have tanked everything in this game..every contested and every instanced except Chel and Matron (which will happen) and have better gear then you (yes I have seen yours) move along I dont care what guild your in...claiming to be the best makes you look like a dumb [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I am top of the SK pvp ladder...but you dont see me running around crying "I am the best SK pee vee pee'r evar!" cuz that would just sound dumb and there is no way to prove it....But I know one thing...your a bluebie carebear with zero clue what your talking about...</div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class="date_text">11-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:24 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Don't bring gear into this, thats a total cop-out. Anyone who came in as a shadowknight in KoS hasn't proven themselves in previous expansions, where you had to work for your gear. Everyone in KoS had their fabled handed to them on a silver platter, you didn't need skill in KoS you just had to power through it with uber gear. <font size="4"><b>So the question is, who tanked labs for you so you could farm your skill?</b></font> Suddenly every sk has an opinion just becuase there was a blue light special on fabled gear.Gnarkill take your posse of brown nosers that lick it up because they need you to <font size="4"><b>kill more q's</b></font>, back to your pvp server, and entertain the falacy that you accomplished something.Darkaren, stop throwing your hubris around on the noobs, they're getting upset.Moderators, delete this pointless thread that does nothing but get everyones pink panties in a bunch.</div><hr></blockquote>Actually I did for 75% of my gear...nice try tho...And I am exile I kill everyone not just Q's <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ramglobal wrote:<BR> <DIV>Slithery,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't even think you play an SK.  I also am pretty darn sure that Oasis is not a server either!!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Respectfully,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Squiggy</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes and yes. He is a SK on that server and that is a server. How do I know? I came from that server <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. He, at one time (not sure if he is now as i'm too lazy to check honestly), was a part of a guild on there that I held a high reguard for called the Rockeaters. Carry on =P.

[Ultimatum]

<div><blockquote><hr>ZhouYu wrote:<div></div> <p><em>Now no need to get all fired up and rude, I simply layed a challenge out for you, you refuse to prove and back up your claims. </em></p> <p><em>You see claiming to be the best is a matter of opinion. Always there will be those who will agree and those who disagree and it always depends on whichside of the fence you are. So opinions don'tmatter much, because everyone got theirs. True skill is measured by acomplishments, you can be the greatest football player for example, yet if you don't win player of the year rewards and someone else does ..well guess ? you will not go down in history as the greatst football player, regardless of how many times your teamates shout and claim that you are the best. </em></p> <p><em>I'm sure you are a good fighter no dount, but hey you need to face facts, someone on another server  maybe just as good as you and maybe a little better. Now I have the results and acomplishments which are currently above what you have. So why don't you get your head out of your rear end and realize that fact that someone out there has done more than you have. </em></p><hr></blockquote>I don't think this thread was started to be a chest beating contest, bud...simply because claiming to be the best and stroking one's e-balls are general testaments to quite the opposite.  IMO, this thread was started for OTHERS to voice what SKs have been the most helpful, and are generally most known on their servers as excellent players of the class.  First of all, by you thinking that you are king [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] because you are "the only MASTER SK WORLDWIDE!!1" as you have stated about 327 times in this thread, is further proof that titles mean absolutely JACK in how well you are at pvp or your class in general.  Up until EoF, PvP titles show how good you are at ganking people, evacing after ganks, zerging, or avoiding combat alltogether after you gained your precious title.  Titles only mean a lot to the people who really aren't very good, know it, but use their title as a false means of trying to make people think they are good.  The people who EARN their titles generally don't care one way or the other because they know they are good enough to keep their title.  As Arieneth already said...go hit 70 and try to keep your precous Master title for a week...now that you can't Evac during combat, revive zerg, or use other cheap tactics, I forsee you losing said title very soon after you start being attackable to 70s.  Enjoy it while it lasts.Anyway, in keeping with the topic, the best SKs in my opinion are those that help other, newer SKs learn their class and develop their skills to become good SKs as well.  These SKs are the ones that know their class inside and out, maximize their effectiveness and efficiency in whichever role they play in Solo, Group, and Raid settings, and are all around good people to have on your friends list.  That's my 2cp.</div>

[DarkZombie]

<div></div>Morgh > Darkaren<span></span><div></div>

[ZhouYu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Razerblaze wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ZhouYu wrote:<BR> <P><BR><EM>Now no need to get all fired up and rude, I simply layed a challenge out for you, you refuse to prove and back up your claims. </EM></P> <P><EM>You see claiming to be the best is a matter of opinion. Always there will be those who will agree and those who disagree and it always depends on whichside of the fence you are. So opinions don'tmatter much, because everyone got theirs. True skill is measured by acomplishments, you can be the greatest football player for example, yet if you don't win player of the year rewards and someone else does ..well guess ? you will not go down in history as the greatst football player, regardless of how many times your teamates shout and claim that you are the best. </EM></P> <P><EM>I'm sure you are a good fighter no dount, but hey you need to face facts, someone on another server  maybe just as good as you and maybe a little better. Now I have the results and acomplishments which are currently above what you have. So why don't you get your head out of your rear end and realize that fact that someone out there has done more than you have. </EM></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I don't think this thread was started to be a chest beating contest, bud...simply because claiming to be the best and stroking one's e-balls are general testaments to quite the opposite.  IMO, this thread was started for OTHERS to voice what SKs have been the most helpful, and are generally most known on their servers as excellent players of the class.  <BR><BR>First of all, by you thinking that you are king [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] because you are "the only MASTER SK WORLDWIDE!!1" as you have stated about 327 times in this thread, is further proof that titles mean absolutely JACK in how well you are at pvp or your class in general.  Up until EoF, PvP titles show how good you are at ganking people, evacing after ganks, zerging, or avoiding combat alltogether after you gained your precious title.  Titles only mean a lot to the people who really aren't very good, know it, but use their title as a false means of trying to make people think they are good.  The people who EARN their titles generally don't care one way or the other because they know they are good enough to keep their title.  As Arieneth already said...go hit 70 and try to keep your precous Master title for a week...now that you can't Evac during combat, revive zerg, or use other cheap tactics, I forsee you losing said title very soon after you start being attackable to 70s.  Enjoy it while it lasts.<BR><BR>Anyway, in keeping with the topic, the best SKs in my opinion are those that help other, newer SKs learn their class and develop their skills to become good SKs as well.  These SKs are the ones that know their class inside and out, maximize their effectiveness and efficiency in whichever role they play in Solo, Group, and Raid settings, and are all around good people to have on your friends list.  That's my 2cp.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><EM>First of all I never claimed I'm the best SK, I said I'm the only master SK worldwide, which is a fact at the moment. </EM></P> <P><EM>So going by your logic, it means I'm the ONLY ganker/evacer SK worldwide that plays this game ? I some how seriously doubt that. again I knbow I will be out numbered in this arguement, but having a master title and keeping it requires a lot of teamwork and coordination. Specially as a SK, that is why not many people have it. </EM></P>

[Darkaren]

"Darkaren, stop throwing your hubris around on the noobs, they're getting upset."Im fricken odysseus.This is honestly the best thread the sk forums has ever seen. Sad. But funny.Morgh was the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], I have to agree. Its just a shame  he couldnt hack it, had to sell out.<div></div>

[Norrsken]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pitt Hammerfist wrote:<div></div>let this thread die in peace<hr></blockquote>I'd say its violently convulsing in pain, waiting for a mod to come end its misery.</div>

[Xanoth]

<blockquote><hr>roxer2b wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Pitt Hammerfist wrote:<div></div>let this thread die in peace<hr></blockquote>I'd say its violently convulsing in pain, waiting for a mod to come end its misery.</div><hr></blockquote>I thought it was me that was violently convulsing in pain every time i looked at this thread...

[Darkaren]

no, thats just the pin you left on your desk chair.Why would it get locked anyway. Its pure pwnage.<div></div>

[plantb]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkaren wrote:<BR>no, thats just the pin you left on your desk chair.<BR><BR><BR>Why would it get locked anyway. Its pure pwnage.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Aye if your a 15 year old.  </P> <P>This thread is bollox, and I cannot believe there are SKs saying they are the best.</P> <P>Plant</P>

[Coica]

common, there is some comedy gold in this thread. I overlooked it for awhile, but it grew and became greatness!! lighten up..francis. too many 'hahahahaha's' to list. good ones.<div></div>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> muguguypan wrote:<BR>common, there is some comedy gold in this thread. I overlooked it for awhile, but it grew and became greatness!!<BR><BR> lighten up..francis.<BR><BR> too many 'hahahahaha's' to list.<BR><BR> good ones.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I actually agree with you on that. The flames from these guys has just gotten funny instead of insulting <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[Comp2go]

I am the best SK overall. I still have my freeport starting armor. Who else still has that?  Yea... Thought so. You youngun's need to sit down and shutup! Im the best Sk, and thats that! Go me! Go Me! Go Me! Wanna know something else... I can easily beat you all because my pvp titles are blah blah blah blah blah blah blah! Blah blah blah blah! Blah Bleh! Blu blah blah!<div></div>

[Darkaren]

my dad can and will b eat your dad up.Unless he was like in the military or something?<div></div>

[Ellestil]

<P>This was a trick question. The answer was............all Shadowknights rule! Down with Guardians!</P>

[Talz]

Being in a top guild has nothing do with being the best at a class.  The gear that comes from constantly playing is being used as intended in appropriate content.  Maybe I am somewhat snobbish from success in every MMO I have played but that really doesn't impress me.  Some of the best players I have ever seen are in those guilds that are a few months behind the leading guilds.  There are many players that won't leave them and they work through content slower but with a lot worse gear than leading guilds.  The top guilds know this because they relentlessly headhunt from these guilds.  Why is that?I doubt many here were in or played during the EQ1 BoTB but there were a lot of people from world first guilds that got the living snot beat out of them by lesser equipped players.People just need to chill out.  This thread was just for fun.  In the end.. the best SK in EQ2 will never even post in it. <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Boke]

this thread has become more of a who has more balls to talk smack, its gotten way out of hand...<3 :smileysad:

[Darkaren]

when  you talk about best of the best tournaments, its ona  gear level playing field.However, the gear you have and play with means everything about how you play your character, to be immeadiately switched out of the gear into something new, is like being put in a new class for the first time.melee gear ftl.<div></div>

[Zoradan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Talzar wrote:<BR><BR>I doubt many here were in or played during the EQ1 BoTB but there were a lot of people from world first guilds that got the living snot beat out of them by lesser equipped players.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Those were fantastic, I was only a 35-40 sk at the time but was a blast to watch the original BoTB.

[Talz]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darkaren wrote:when  you talk about best of the best tournaments, its ona  gear level playing field.However, the gear you have and play with means everything about how you play your character, to be immeadiately switched out of the gear into something new, is like being put in a new class for the first time.melee gear ftl.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Classes where resists were needed were for the most part about gear.  Test of <strike>Toys</strike> Tactics was all about gear.  For pure melee BotB though the only thing that really kept some around and allowed some to win that pretty much sucked otherwise were epics.  Not everyone had them.  Even rogues that were kind of a /claim reward when certain mobs had 100% drop rates.</div>

[Talz]

Interesting case made about gear.  People can not agree with it, or not want to but it is solid.  In the context of being a class where resists where important is how it should be viewed.  I post it because I don't think people in this thread are bad people but they are losing their points horribly. "I expect many people to say that I won the BotB due to my equipment advantage.  I'm sure my performance at past ToT's will be completely ignored.   The fact that some bards there had within 10% of my hp and didn't come close to my level of performance will also be ignored. <p> The equipment I wear is the end result of years of preparation.  Some people are of the opinion that good equipment is unfair in some way.  I will attempt to explain how equipment figures in in Everquest, when it doesn't in other sports. </p><p> Many things in EQ are totally random.  If I slash someone, how hard I hit them isn't based on skill, it's based on equipment and a random roll of the die.  In a real life situation, there would be no randomness.  The chance to hit, and the strength of the hit, would all be based on the skill of the two combatants.  That skill is a result of time spent practicing, and some genetic ability. </p><p> In Everquest, no amount of practice will allow me hit harder with a sword, or better resist damage songs.  However, equipment will.  So instead of long hours of training to increase strength or resistance, in Everquest, it's long hours spent obtaining equipment.  Equipment, in Everquest, IS increased strength and resistance, the same things that any athlete builds over time. </p><p> Either way, through training or through equipment, the combatant that spends the most time preparing has an advantage.  Is it unfair to practice more than others?  I'm sure there are people out there with enough skill to play in professional football...but they don't have the physical characteristics needed: superior strength and speed.  Is this unfair?  Assuming genetics doesn't prevent it, of course not.  It takes a great deal of time to build the strength and speed necessary for professional football.  If those skilled but untrained athletes spent time training their speed and strength, then they could participate in professional football, on an even footing with others.  They can try to compete without the strength and speed, but their skill will have to be greater to compensate.  Everquest is the same way. </p><p> The randomness concept was most obvious at the cleric BotB.  Arele fought another cleric, and both were hitting the other during CH to interrupt.  Every time Arele hit, the other channelled.  Every time the other hit, Arele didn't.  Chance to channel is completely random.  There is no skill involved.  Chance to hit with a weapon is again, completely random.  The only thing that helps in this case is time spent obtaining equipment, since there is no way to practice channeling (beyond gaining levels and in game skill points, which I assume are all at max for every participant).  Without equipment to somehow differentiate those that prepared for years and those that prepared for months, it would come down to who gets the best die rolls.  Even with an equipment advantage, sometimes it does anyway. </p><p> So, the final question: is it unfair to have an equipment advantage?  Of course not, the same way it isn't unfair for one heavyweight boxer to be stronger and faster than another.  The stronger/faster boxer spent more time training for the event.  I spent a great deal of time and effort to get the equipment I wear.  I get no special equipment deals from being Guildleader, I use the same point system as everyone else.  I have better equipment because I spent more time preparing.  Want to see every raid I've been on in the past 1.5 years?  Go to my <a href="http://www.afterlifeguild.org/dkp.cgi?history=Thott" target=_blank>DKP page</a>. </p><p> One thing I would like to see though, in regards to Everquest BotB style competitions, is different weight classes, exactly like my boxing comparison above.  Currently, we ONLY have heavyweight combat.  Where do the lighter equipped players go to compete?  They don't.  How about lower level players?  They don't either.  To get this going, Verant would need to have volunteer referees, set rules, and weekly events...but it could be done."</p>http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/BotB.php<div></div>

[Ellestil]

<P>Talzar said  "Many things in EQ are totally random.  If I slash someone, how hard I hit them isn't based on skill, it's based on equipment and a random roll of the die.  In a real life situation, there would be no randomness.  The chance to hit, and the strength of the hit, would all be based on the skill of the two combatants.  That skill is a result of time spent practicing, and some genetic ability."</P> <P> </P> <P>I see alot of your point but this statement I don't fully agree with. Skill to hit someone is not solely determined by a random roll of dice. This would only be true if two people stood toe to toe, didn't move, and hacked on one another. But, if the two players move around for positioning or use their opponents weaknesses against them, this involves some skill beyond a random roll of dice. (For example, trying to position yourself so a rogue cannot backstab you, or manuever yourself outside of a caster's short range PBAE spell.) Also, the proper use of abilities can be used strategically and isn't a random event. (For example, one caster knows to root a melee opponent, the other does not, both have the same gear and same time played).</P> <P>Also, in real life, there is randomness. Call it luck if you will, but the same result will not 100% repeat itself even if all variables could be contolled. (no change in amount of training by either side of the conflict, no change in the environment which they compete in). What training does is give you an advantage over your opponent and heighten your chances of success over his. But even the dog has his day as it is said. Anyone can get in a lucky shot, or the greatest trained can have an unlucky outcome happen to him.</P> <P> </P> <P>Ellestil</P> <P> </P>

[Talz]

That was a quote with the source linked at the bottom.  I don't agree with it all but I think it is a solid point.  I think there is a case to be made for gear playing a part in who is best but all I remember reading in this thread was people putting rulers in their pants.When PoP made the gap between players to the point where skill doesn't matter, he has 5k more hp I pitched a new BotB in FS "fine steel" but people still had their AA.  The idea was recieved better than most were but nobody would do it because it is.. you know.. work and stuff.  That was at the point in the game where events were crap like RM halloween.<div></div>

[Darkaren]

insert new  comment about people commenting on thier [Removed for Content]Insert comment about nobody knows whos the bestInsert commetn about nobody truly caring, because darkaren owns all your facesinsert comment about how that cant be true becuae darkaren doesnt pvpinsert comment about how pvp is a bunch of hacks that couldnt cut it in ther real guilds of eq2insert comment about how your measuring you e [Removed for Content] againInsert comment about how this thread is funnyInsert comment about I how nobody cares, and more than likely, there will not be a way to test who is really better until they open up cross server arenas :pIm still hoping.<div></div>

[Kelkirra]

Can we please let this thread die?

[Arthik]

No clue if they're the best, but the SKs I've always respected were Kaylee and Vincenzo.I still remember back in the days of DoF, standing at the docks and watching Vincenzo pwn just about everyone with his Captain's Ever-Shifting Vouge... I don't think I've seen him lose once, and I remember people jokingly saying that he was actually level 62 (when 60 was the cap, of course).<div></div>

[Ramglob]

Sounds like you are talking about Squiggy.  I once tanked the Hillcat Matriarch!!!!!!