Some funny comments I have been subjected to when joining them

[DUNN]

<DIV> <P>These are some of the coments i get when I join an instance PUG:</P> <P>SK is not tanking is he?</P> <P>Do we need another healer since the SK is tanking?</P> <P>Never seen a SK tank before or Never seen a SK tank here before</P> <P>Shouldn't the guardian tank? <----- gaurd is in Crafted gear I am in Legendary/Fabled about 1.5 k more mit than him</P> <P>Are you sure you can tank in Offensive stance with a 2h?<--- this one was while  sitting at 5k+ mit </P> <P>Your a Sk? I thought you were a necro this whole time. <----This was  after 1 hour of grouping and I step up to tank when tank leaves.  this is my old robe tactic I used to join a PUG as dps; </P> <P>We still need a tank <---- I always go yeah I am DPS after this one and cheer lol</P> <P>Also get the variation of this one when I ask to join a group "sorry we need a tank". </P> <P>Post any other good ones that you have heard.</P></DIV>

[Giral]

<DIV>some of my favorites  : </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>grouped with 1 group for 4 hours straight , non-stop go go go , exp flyin off the hook, Loot out the Yin-Yang, and then it happens a person die's (this is after i have saved this person from Themself  10 times in the last 4 hours , and they say   :  "  Thats it i knew we shouldn't have used an SK to Tank "BYE " and they disband ; ) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>a friend see's me log in and send's a Tell    : </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  " WOOT ; ) are tank just left wanna come MT for us ? " </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and i reply  " Sure send invite when ready " </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>........................ 5 minutes later </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> " Sorry they don't want a SK MT : ( i told them your a amzing tank , but they said they want a guard or a zerker : ( , "  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I  reply " no problem , there loss , good luck "  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>20 minutes later " OMG : ( we just had the worst tank ,group wiped 5 times in 5 minutes  " </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> i reply   " sorry to hear that ,  we lookin for 1 more in our group , im the MT wanna come and we get ride of all that debt ? " </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>69 zerker gets in group (i was on my Inquisitor) and say's after 1/2 hour  in a Full group  " So any luck on getting a Healer yet ? " </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in OOC/lvl channel  :   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Group looking for Tank pls send tell </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i send tell  "sk lfg" </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>reply " Sorry we just got a tank thanks tho " </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5 seconds later in OOC(same person)  : Group looking for a Guard or Zerker </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>at the end of a group one night after hours of Mt'ing  =  " Wow Great job tanking , you should have been a Guard or a Zerker man you would be an Awsome Tank " </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[jovialjett]

lol the versatility of SK makes it sort of like a sick joke when it comes to tanking. When another tank type is in group they gank agro so quick but if no other tank in group i hold up just fine. so sometimes its better just to pass as a dps unit <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Wendingo]

Just last night I get a group invite with my SK and there is a guardian.  Two levels lower than me and about 10% fewer hps to start.  The guardian tanks away.  DPS'ers are a little slap happy so I am occasionally FD'ing the assassin or the wiz and sometimes using rescue or dropping the HT to peel mobs off of them.  After about 20 minutes a necro joins and after two fights says "why isn't the SK tanking" to which two people say "SK's can't tank, they do not have enough HP" (at that point I think the guardian was at least higher due to buffs and me putting away my shield).  About 20 minutes after that the assassin leaves and thanks the guard for the FD's saying "I did not know guardians could do that" and complementing his ability to snap the aggro back.

[JoarAddam]

<DIV>I don't miss doing PUG's...  I'm a snob these days...    hmmm...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"SK's have to be 65 to tank Nest...."  I solo nest now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the next one was a guildie while I was helping him with his claymore...  I was 70</DIV> <DIV>" ... says to guild, Dry has no problems holding aggro, but SK's just aren't designed to hold aggro, can someone come tank for us in SoS?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From my guild leader</DIV> <DIV>"You have the gear for better mitigation than most main tanks on the server, why the hell did you just die when venekor turned on you?"  ...  me...  "Umm I was in DPS gear..."</DIV>

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

I can't remember really ever getting those kinda comments. I was a raid and instance hound always with a very high play time, and always geared up for Mit, HP, avoidance and resists. My stats usually dwarfed the majority of tanks that I grouped with and I upgraded all my taunts, fast cast high dammage spells, and AOE DoTs first. I don't remember ever really having  aggro control problems, even before a few boosts we got. The first time I heard about SKs having "issues" was on the boards here...I was already level 60 or more....and I was astounded lol.  I thought it was a joke....then I saw other threads....it was very confusing..haha.

[Norrsken]

<blockquote><hr>CHIMPNOODLE. wrote:I can't remember really ever getting those kinda comments. I was a raid and instance hound always with a very high play time, and always geared up for Mit, HP, avoidance and resists. My stats usually dwarfed the majority of tanks that I grouped with and I upgraded all my taunts, fast cast high dammage spells, and AOE DoTs first. I don't remember ever really having  aggro control problems, even before a few boosts we got. The first time I heard about SKs having "issues" was on the boards here...I was already level 60 or more....and I was astounded lol.  I thought it was a joke....then I saw other threads....it was very confusing..haha.<hr></blockquote>I think its because people play the sk as a warrior tank. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> THEN you might have a few issues with your aggro. Otoh, I've had a bunch of stupid comments like that.Like "Lets get another tank" (The guard left, im in full vanguard) The group continues to get an unusually crappy brawler to tank, who they drag kicking and screaming into the service. After a while he says hell drop the group if the sk doesnt tank. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Well they saw the light after a few hours of nonstop, flawless tanking. Bah. SKs cant tank. Rubbish. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Beldin_]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> roxer2b wrote:<BR><BR>I think its because people play the sk as a warrior tank. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> THEN you might have a few issues with your aggro. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I don't know what the playstyle of a warrior tank is, but it must be something like .. don't use any other styles then just your taunts, or at least .. avoid everything that could do damage :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Personally i never play in random groups .. only thing i can remember was when we combined 2 small groups in SoS who wanted the same named .. a guard was tanking and i always loved to peel aggro from him when pulling multiple encounters <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<P>"I don't know what the playstyle of a warrior tank is, but it must be something like .. don't use any other styles then just your taunts, or at least .. avoid everything that could do damage <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif" width=16 border=0>"</P> <P> </P> <P>Lol....maybe ya. That would cause a few problems.</P>

[Norrsken]

<blockquote><hr>CHIMPNOODLE. wrote:<P>"I don't know what the playstyle of a warrior tank is, but it must be something like .. don't use any other styles then just your taunts, or at least .. avoid everything that could do damage <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif" width=16 border=0>"</P><P> </P><P>Lol....maybe ya. That would cause a few problems.</P><hr></blockquote>The scary part is that that is how most of the poor sk tanks I've played with actually tried to play. Cycle the taunts and toss a few quick ca's in there. No AE's and no lifetaps. /shudderNo wonder people rips aggro then.

[phenders]

<DIV>Agreed, heard almost all the disparaging comments when I used to PUG.  At least my guildies respect SK tanking tho.  I like to take the high 50/low 60 folks deep in SoS, pull multiple groups, and then go to town.  Gotta love DM agro and multi AE's.  Only thing I ever have issues with is shaman healers, when I pull 3-4 groups at once.  Hard to taunt fast enough on the run and not get my lil shammie pals wacked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways, my 2cp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tanj</DIV> <DIV>70 SK, Befallen, Apocalypse</DIV>

[Eluzay]

the problem is there are too many people sucking at SK. They try too hard to be dps when it hurts their ability to tank... I run mostly tanking gear atm, but when at 70 I will have my dps gear to switch out to as well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Kryptonix]

<DIV>I havent gotten into a lot of groups that kicked me out because I was an SK. But I have grouped with some dumb frickin people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember grouping with assasins that would always pull agro from me. So I ask is your hate transfer on me, they say no. Grouped with brawlers who would consantly pull agro from me, asked if they still had their agro stance up they said yes. Grouped with A LOT of brigands who loved to pull agro off me, so we get a warrior to tank same level as me, brig gets mad because hes gaining agro to fast and says to let the SK tank because he has FD.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have met some pretty horrendous SK tanks. I mean PITIFUL. To the point where I tell them that they are the reason its hard for other SKs to group. Unio on Unrest Server is one of them. NEVER EVER EVER let that guy MT.<BR></DIV> <DIV>Other stuff:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- I didnt know SK can FD and evac</DIV> <DIV>- Why am I always getting FDed? My response to this is usually "Because your a button mashing idiot" and his response is "Bye"</DIV> <DIV>- Your pulling too fast.   -----That line wasnt said by the healer (Who in gods name says this?????)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont mind if someone says get a guard or zerker. Dont really care if im the MT or not. I do however get really [Removed for Content] off when they want a pally to MT rather than me. F Pallies. F Pallies in the A.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eluzay wrote:<BR>the problem is there are too many people sucking at SK. They try too hard to be dps when it hurts their ability to tank... I run mostly tanking gear atm, but when at 70 I will have my dps gear to switch out to as well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR> <P><BR></P> <HR> <P>I tank ALWAYS in off stance. My INT is usually close to cap, about 475 - 500 INT. I have no trouble tanking and surviving in off stance. Usually I only take gear if they have good MIT AND have INT. If the gear doesnt have INT im a little more hesitant to get it.</P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>

[Lamprey_02]

<DIV>I don't know, I'm considering scrapping my 27 sk and making a zerker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not the agro (though it's tougher to keep than with a tank) as much as it is the survivability. When my guardian was 27 he tanked RoV without a problem while using AQ gear, lvl 29-31 mobs. If anything he could always pop wall of might and some other short-term mitigation buffs and survive the fight. But the sk (also in AQ gear) just can't do it. When I pulled a lvl 31 mob the healer couldn't keep up and I kept dying. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know it's a mob 4 levels higher than the sk but what sucks is, my guardian in equivalent gear could survive and keep agro long enough for the group to kill the mob, and the sk doesn't. In a situation like that, the group can go all out early and the sk loses agro, or they hold back to let me build agro and I die by the time I have it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOOO depressing.</DIV>

[Norrsken]

<blockquote><hr>Lamprey_02 wrote:<DIV>I don't know, I'm considering scrapping my 27 sk and making a zerker.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>It's not the agro (though it's tougher to keep than with a tank) as much as it is the survivability. When my guardian was 27 he tanked RoV without a problem while using AQ gear, lvl 29-31 mobs. If anything he could always pop wall of might and some other short-term mitigation buffs and survive the fight. But the sk (also in AQ gear) just can't do it. When I pulled a lvl 31 mob the healer couldn't keep up and I kept dying. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I know it's a mob 4 levels higher than the sk but what sucks is, my guardian in equivalent gear could survive and keep agro long enough for the group to kill the mob, and the sk doesn't. In a situation like that, the group can go all out early and the sk loses agro, or they hold back to let me build agro and I die by the time I have it.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>SOOO depressing.</DIV><hr></blockquote>I tanked varsoon at 34 with a brig/sk duo with not too sexy gear. (Cant remember what it was atm, but it was 1 maybe 2 legendary, the rest treasured or worse).

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<DIV>That's kind of a transition level range, and can also depend on mob type and dammage types vs diff classes. Our survivability and aggro skills surpass guards in many situations from level 1 to level 70.</DIV>

[Ultimatum]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lamprey_02 wrote:<div>I don't know, I'm considering scrapping my 27 sk and making a zerker.</div> <div> </div> <div>It's not the agro (though it's tougher to keep than with a tank) as much as it is the survivability. When my guardian was 27 he tanked RoV without a problem while using AQ gear, lvl 29-31 mobs. If anything he could always pop wall of might and some other short-term mitigation buffs and survive the fight. But the sk (also in AQ gear) just can't do it. When I pulled a lvl 31 mob the healer couldn't keep up and I kept dying. </div> <div> </div> <div>I know it's a mob 4 levels higher than the sk but what sucks is, my guardian in equivalent gear could survive and keep agro long enough for the group to kill the mob, and the sk doesn't. In a situation like that, the group can go all out early and the sk loses agro, or they hold back to let me build agro and I die by the time I have it.</div> <div> </div> <div>SOOO depressing.</div><hr></blockquote>at lvl 27 you are missing a lot of amazing higher level spells...Despoil, Tap Veins, Death March, Pestilence to name a few...And on the subject of survivability...I'd love to compare a Zerker soloing Nest with an SK soloing Nest...Zerkers are good soloers, but I don't think they can last through some of the named since they can't constantly heal...especially against something like the Kettleleader.</div>

[Ardnahoy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lamprey_02 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I don't know, I'm considering scrapping my 27 sk and making a zerker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not the agro (though it's tougher to keep than with a tank) as much as it is the survivability. When my guardian was 27 he tanked RoV without a problem while using AQ gear, lvl 29-31 mobs. If anything he could always pop wall of might and some other short-term mitigation buffs and survive the fight. But the sk (also in AQ gear) just can't do it. When I pulled a lvl 31 mob the healer couldn't keep up and I kept dying.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know it's a mob 4 levels higher than the sk but what sucks is, my guardian in equivalent gear could survive and keep agro long enough for the group to kill the mob, and the sk doesn't. In a situation like that, the group can go all out early and the sk loses agro, or they hold back to let me build agro and I die by the time I have it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOOO depressing.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I play both an SK and a guardian, so yeah, SK agro is teh suck especially compared to a guardian. BUT, take your little SK back to Varsoon and you can SOLO those same mobs while they are still blue, and you will be able to run around farming all the loot you can carry.</P> <P>The guardian is a better group tank by a lot. The SK is a better solor by the same margin.</P> <P>I do get a bit depressed when my SK is grouped and has to be the main tank, more so because I know first hand how much easier it is with a guardian. Yeah, it is possible to be a workable group MT, but it takes sooooooo much more effort and cooperation from group members to pull it off.</P> <P>But, when I'm leaving RE, carrying six 32-slot crates filled with treasured, legendary, and fabled loot that I got from soloing nameds, I sure don't feel so depressed.</P>

[morningmists]

<P>trouble is, that you were willing to use the guard short term miti buff but you don't mention throwing up your lifetap ward...</P> <P>frankly the lifetap ward is extremely superior to the short term miti buff for 1 group. you have upgraded this yes? if not then...you are making your own problem</P> <P>You should be useing that before a named pull, and then if you need more help, shield bashing the thing and tossing it up again.</P> <P> </P> <P>I do occasionally get turned down for people looking for tank, but those I have tanked for keep coming back for more over and over and over</P> <P>hell even on our raids when our MT is not there and they let a zerk tank with identical hp/miti to me, I get tells from healers wishing I was the tank</P>

[Coica]

good stuff, I havent really heard anything like that yet, but I just hit 70 last week. each group I get in and MT for I put special attention to whats going on at all times because I feel like maybe there is somebody in group who thinks we arent good tanks and I feel like I'm always out to prove myself. best times Ive had so far are running  into certain rooms like in SoS or PoA and pulling a HUGE group and I start to work my magic, about halfway into the fight if someone didnt panic and run away I usually get a /g wow!  or just silence till the end and then a /g holy crap that was scary-fun! from the group. people who dont play an SK or group with one on a regular basis really dont get it.<div></div>

[diabs]

<P>Problem Imo is that for every One good SK there are ten others that got no idea how to play they sk well...</P> <P> </P> <P>Zilart</P> <P>70th Shadowknight ( Permafrost )</P><p>Message Edited by diabs on <span class=date_text>10-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:25 PM</span>

[Wendingo]

That becomes less true once you hit 40 and the levels take a little more work.  There are not many post 40 sks and those that stick it out that long are more likely to have a clue. 

[Sportak]

I think that the stigma we get in early levels sticks with people right on up to T7 where we're actually really good tanks, which is why it surprises people and a lot of us get compliments.  I've never had any negative feedback and noone suggesting I don't tank, it's usually just based on who has the highest mit. I agree with the previous poster, most people in tier 7 know what we're capable of, and yeah there are still a handful of bad SKs, but the same can be said of every class.

[Rylight]

my story is <b>exactly </b>the same as giralus's (the second poster) <div></div>

[Mistmoore-Milaga]

Back to some comments I've heard ...<font color="#ffff00">"Rez me plz!?" </font>(With what?) <-- my favorite<font color="#ffff00">"What? Shadowknights get evac?"</font> (Yeah, I know, every PUG says this.)<font color="#ffff00">"OMG Tarinax just killed me!"</font> (No, that was me FDing you for jumping around ... I'm surprised you made it to level 70 without knowing I could do this.)<font color="#ffff00">"Nerf Harm Touch!"</font> (That was Abominable Wrath ... rematch?)<font color="#ffff00">"Evac!"</font> (No, this is only Halls of Fate and I only have five groups on me ... someone pull something.)Okay, the last two were paraphrasing. But they've happened more than once. What I love about Shadowknights is that, thanks to our AOE lifetap, Pestilence and Deathmarch, we actually do better against more foes. I don't even body pull anymore in instances. Oh good, there are three groups and a named all lumped together ... INC. Don't roll a zerker, stick it out. Zerkers are easier to play. Shadowknights require better gear, better spells and better playing skills, but the potential is higher. The reason there are so many bad SKs is that it's a hard class to play right.Fortunately, you don't see very many bad, high level SKs.Perhaps the biggest drawback a Shadowknight has is, like Dry mentioned, that although we are flexible in our role, we can't snap from role-to-role quickly. I can gear myself up well and tank Tarinax if I need to, but unless I'm getting serious buffs my DPS is shot (especially in defensive mode against that guy.) Change gear, weapons, stance and move me to a DPS group and the only classes that will regularly beat me are assassins and swashies for solo and groups, respectively.... Looking for new pants since February ... <div></div>

[Norrsken]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Milaga wrote:<BR>Back to some comments I've heard ...<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>"Rez me plz!?" </FONT>(With what?) <-- my favorite<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>"What? Shadowknights get evac?"</FONT> (Yeah, I know, every PUG says this.)<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>"OMG Tarinax just killed me!"</FONT> (No, that was me FDing you for jumping around ... I'm surprised you made it to level 70 without knowing I could do this.)<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>"Nerf Harm Touch!"</FONT> (That was Abominable Wrath ... rematch?)<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>"Evac!"</FONT> (No, this is only Halls of Fate and I only have five groups on me ... someone pull something.)<BR><BR>Okay, the last two were paraphrasing. But they've happened more than once. What I love about Shadowknights is that, thanks to our AOE lifetap, Pestilence and Deathmarch, we actually do better against more foes. I don't even body pull anymore in instances. Oh good, there are three groups and a named all lumped together ... INC. Don't roll a zerker, stick it out. Zerkers are easier to play. Shadowknights require better gear, better spells and better playing skills, but the potential is higher. The reason there are so many bad SKs is that it's a hard class to play right.<BR><BR>Fortunately, you don't see very many bad, high level SKs.<BR><BR>Perhaps the biggest drawback a Shadowknight has is, like Dry mentioned, that although we are flexible in our role, we can't snap from role-to-role quickly. I can gear myself up well and tank Tarinax if I need to, but unless I'm getting serious buffs my DPS is shot (especially in defensive mode against that guy.) Change gear, weapons, stance and move me to a DPS group and the only classes that will regularly beat me are assassins and swashies for solo and groups, respectively.<BR><BR>... Looking for new pants since February ... <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>SKs used to get a rez in eq1. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Other than that, been there done that. I love the cries for nerf on HT. Keeps the focus of our nasty skills. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Meryddian]

<DIV>It's not so much the comments for me, as I've been a good tank all along and there's folks who know me by reputation. (I've also turned some folks into total SK converts, who *love* grouping with SKs - especially a good AE group, with the changes to Death March.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's two things that drive me nuts:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- I'll have a spot to fill in a group, and end up inviting another tank class, who immediately comes to the group assuming they're the tank, even if they're a lower level than me. I've had zerks and guardians like 5-7 levels lower than me assuming that they're tanking because of their class. Uhmm, no. Especially when I'm group leader. If your mitigation/hp are about the same or greater than mine, then we'll talk.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Tanks of the same level joining and assuming they're the tank, again, mostly because of class, but usually this is *male* tanks, even on zones that're easy enough it's no big deal who tanks. I'm not playing the chauvinist card here, but I can tell there's certain male tanks who'll "forget" to shut off their aggro buffs, or who "forget" to not taunt in the middle of the group. I'll end up being 'Fine, if you want to tank that bad, knock yourself out' - and then they can have fun trying to get my aggro. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc33><EM>"Oh, I still have my aggro buff on? My bad, hehe..."</EM>  </FONT>*HTs*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Boke]

<DIV>Ive only heard the common ones:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>sk's have evac?</DIV> <DIV>sk's can FD? omgz :smileysad: i want fd :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV>sk's cant tank better than a zerker or guardian ur a noob!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All time best tho:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shadowknights are like a healer right? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This was in poa with a noob ace group...</DIV>

[Melodar]

<div></div>Personally I found this funny (remember i dont have alot to draw on <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  )The SK is the tank. The assassin 3 levels higher insists on pulling and then for me to taunt off but the Coercer in group insists on mezzing, so to allow that my AE's are out (they appear to break every mezz) so no way to taunt off assassin as she doesnt stop the dmge to give time. The Conjurers pet ended up with all the aggro.Following a wipe I insist on doing the pulls and state I will be using AE to hold aggro. Then came the tanking nirvana as only the assassin could get aggro at that point. And had conj swap to mage pet.Maybe I got alot to learn about SK but I can't hold aggro for squat without AE's.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Melodar on <span class=date_text>11-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:22 AM</span>

[MrDiz]

Group leader spams channels:"RE group LF2M. Need tank and DPS. PST"I send them a tell on my SK and join up.Group leader spams channels:"Ok, RE group looking for a tank!"

[AziBam]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Melodar wrote:<BR> Personally I found this funny (remember i dont have alot to draw on <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  )<BR><BR><BR>The SK is the tank. The assassin 3 levels higher insists on pulling and then for me to taunt off but the Coercer in group insists on mezzing, so to allow that my AE's are out (they appear to break every mezz) so no way to taunt off assassin as she doesnt stop the dmge to give time. The Conjurers pet ended up with all the aggro.<BR><BR>Following a wipe I insist on doing the pulls and state I will be using AE to hold aggro. Then came the tanking nirvana as only the assassin could get aggro at that point. And had conj swap to mage pet.<BR><BR><BR>Maybe I got alot to learn about SK but I can't hold aggro for squat without AE's.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Melodar on <SPAN class=date_text>11-10-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:22 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sounds like a PUG nightmare.  There is no good reason for the assassin to be pulling on a regular basis (at higher levels assassins and rangers do have a great skill called surveil/surveillance for pulling mobs out of a tight social area but that is only needed when you have to pick one mob out of a crowd).  There is also no reason for an enchanter to be mezzing on a normal pull unless it comes with too many adds for the healer to keep the tank alive or if the tank isn't able to get  aggro from the adds.  No question you did absolutely the right thing.  AEs are vital to our aggro ability against multiple mob encounters (or  multiple encounters).   

[AziBam]

<P>I know I'm replying to myself.  Such a dork.</P> <P> </P> <P>Has anyone else noted that there seems to be a change of opinions taking place about SKs?  There is certainly still the "warrior only" attitude around but I've been seeing more and more willingness to accept SKs as an MT in recent times.  Involved in a pick up raid for MOA4 recently someone I don't really know volunteered my 70sk to tank.   There was a guard and a pally also in the raid already.  Honestly I didn't want to as I hadn't completed that zone with any character before and the raid was starting at the time I'd normally sign out and go to bed so I was worried I'd be sloppy from getting tired but still the idea was put out there.   Can't wait for some of the new EoF skills which look like they will be a boon for our tanking as well.  </P> <P>There, now that I've managed to derail the thread not once but twice I feel my work is done here and I can move on!  :robotwink:  </P>

[MaCloud1032]

<DIV>All time best is in the arena and you go up agains a zerker and you Harm touch them and they are just speachless.</DIV> <DIV>the next words out of there mouth are Was that HT</DIV>

[joeygopher]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dkel wrote:<BR> <P>I know I'm replying to myself.  Such a dork.</P> <P> </P> <P>Has anyone else noted that there seems to be a change of opinions taking place about SKs?  There is certainly still the "warrior only" attitude around but I've been seeing more and more willingness to accept SKs as an MT in recent times.  Involved in a pick up raid for MOA4 recently someone I don't really know volunteered my 70sk to tank.   There was a guard and a pally also in the raid already.  Honestly I didn't want to as I hadn't completed that zone with any character before and the raid was starting at the time I'd normally sign out and go to bed so I was worried I'd be sloppy from getting tired but still the idea was put out there.   Can't wait for some of the new EoF skills which look like they will be a boon for our tanking as well.  </P> <P>There, now that I've managed to derail the thread not once but twice I feel my work is done here and I can move on!  :robotwink:  </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I think that the relic trash runs and MoA raid have been kind to SKs - it means there's a lot more pick-up raiding going on at all times of the day, and often the raid will make do with whatever classes it can pull together.  Sometimes that means SKs tanking, and it means we get a bit of positive press.<BR>

[Axxon]

<P>It makes me cringe to read these idiotic comments are still coming 2 years after release.</P> <P>WTB Jade Inlaid Coffin.   :smileyindifferent:</P>

[Alevyan]

Don't worry guys, I'm in beta and I can tell you the guardians are weeping for our new ability to hold aggro down. The face of ShadowKnights is changing and we're set to be on par with guardians in the tanking department.<div></div>

[Anca0202]

<DIV>oh yeah this thread is right up my alley.  I am not a lvl 70 sk and love it.  But through time I saw some interesting comments.  One of my favorite was saw a group in everfrost looking for more.  I was low-mid 40s back then but had very very nice gear and abilities.  I join up and there is a guardian 2 levels above me, a conji, and some scout.  They are up to the left where the big lizards are.  They then begin to complain about how hard it is to find a healer, I state "healers are overrated".  The guardian responds in shock, what do you mean?  I say "what are you trying to kill?"  He motions towards the blue(to me)^^^ lizards next to us.  Without another word I pull one and we kill it like it was nothing.  The guardians resonce is "well that works, I will be back on my ranger, i wanted to level him anyway."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember a time shortly after that, I was lvl 50 (full fabled) and we were killing alangria, the zerker who was tanking was lvl 54 and was wearing full ebon.....I had more of just about every stat than he did.  They eventually gave up, ignoring my plea to let me try tanking it....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another good time was clearing the mobs for eye for power, we were camping the minotaur spot.  I was pulling everything in sight all at the same time.  I would just run off into teh middle of some mobs, ae, keep running ae every time i could.  by the time I would get back to the group I would have a huge mass of mobs behind me.  then i would DM and we would kill them all.  As we were doing this I had to scroll past the blabla killed mob text to see what I thought I saw.  Some one said "SB (guild initials) scares me".  The responce by someone who knows my pull style was repied with "naw that is just a Klobo (my caracter) pull, get used to it"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember another group in Ice Spire Summit, we are fighting the last group of mobs and the ae is eating the group alive.  I tell them to back off and get to max range...they dont and all die....I finish the fight solo...next day one of the people in the group is rolling a shadowknight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love playing the SK, it is a more indepth class.  It does take skill and total awareness.  I previously leveled an Illusionist to lvl 70 and feel that I am a glutton for the tough, underappreciated classes.  I am eagerly looking forward to the changes in EoF and will continue to make a good name for our class.</DIV>

[Meryddian]

<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffff99 size=2><EM>Another good time was clearing the mobs for eye for power, we were camping the minotaur spot.  I was pulling everything in sight all at the same time.  I would just run off into teh middle of some mobs, ae, keep running ae every time i could.  by the time I would get back to the group I would have a huge mass of mobs behind me.  then i would DM and we would kill them all.  As we were doing this I had to scroll past the blabla killed mob text to see what I thought I saw.  Some one said "SB (guild initials) scares me".  The responce by someone who knows my pull style was repied with "naw that is just a Klobo (my caracter) pull, get used to it"</EM></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT></P> <HR> <P><FONT size=2>LOL that happened to me the other night in Nest... I easily can solo my way through most of the zone, or duo it with my best friend (who's a templar), but we usually pick up some dps folks to join us. (After all, no reason to take 45 min to clear the zone when it can be done in 15). But since SKs are at their finest on group pulls, and that stuff is mostly green at 70, in a full group, I'll pull 3-4 groups at a time and just go to town. It's funny to watch scouts and other tanks freak out on those pulls. (I have had to educate more than one overeager scout or pet class who can't wait the 2 seconds for me to bring my train to where the group is standing though.)</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Down the first wall, I ran around and picked up most of the room and brought it back to the group, hit Death March and went to town. As the last mob died, with group still safely alive, the scout in the group went, "Whoa, thought we were dead there for a minute."  My templar friend snickered and said, "That's Mel's pull style... get used to it." <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>SKs are fun and rewarding. I can't wait for tomorrow's AAs so we can *really* kick some booty. Expecting to see lots of converts. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P>

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

<P>Very funny and true, unfortuntely its not tooo funny. I have tanked everything in this game as an SK (full trash lab relic run pre super uber gear i have now eve) except most raid names which apparently only guardians can do. Why do we have to point out to everyone in the game we are in fact, actual tanks with plate, mitigation, taunts OMG I have a shield?????</P> <P>I have been in the same situation, I am in the best gear an SK can have, claymore done etc etc, period end of story, and in noob places like PoA people have asked if we need to get a tank. Sure, you go get one, I'll just solo the zone because I probably could very carefully... I have killed each mob solo in there at least once save for names which I just haven't had a chance to try but probably could. I can easily duo just about anything with any healer class, no, get this, it doesn't have to be a templar! There are other healers in game as well and I have duoed many difficult things with every one of them. (can you tell i hate this whole we need X class or we fail thing?)</P><p>Message Edited by discord37 on <span class=date_text>11-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:16 AM</span>

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<DIV>"I have tanked everything in this game as an SK (full trash lab relic run pre super uber gear i have now eve) except most raid names which apparently only guardians can do"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hiya Zehl:smileyhappy: There is none that only guardians can do that I know of.</DIV>

[Arthik]

<div></div>One of the more annoying ones was when a Berserker beat me in a duel... I forget exactly what he said, but he was basically acting all big and bad afterwards.Of course, he had everything fabled (stuff from Deathtoll, too, as well as shield, jewelry, etc.) and 7k+ disease resist.Me, I have fabled chest, shoulders, forearm, gloves, legs, 1 hander, neck and earring, so I'm pretty far behind him in terms of gear.He BARELY beat me despite all that. I got him to use Visions of Madness... And this is AFTER he was using healing potions the entire first half of the duel.  XDI love being an SK.I've gotten several "holy craps" on group pulls and "you're my new best friend" from some happy warlocks (Rift, I think it was, coincides with Death March really nicely)."Rez plz" I've definitely gotten several times, too.   (~-^ )-d<div></div><p>Message Edited by Syfer22 on <span class=date_text>11-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:43 AM</span>