View Full Version : Body pull spell order
Antryg Mistrose
10-11-2006, 06:09 PM
<div></div>I've read <b><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=9&message.id=22290&query.id=138376#M22290" target="_blank">this</a></b> thread on pulling strategies, but wan't to check specifically for body pulling if this is the best way: Precast Ward (Grave Blessing) <body pull> Single Target Taunt Fighting Chance HO starter Pariah's Brand DoTGroup Taunt - disease debuff - finish's HO Smash Shield Bash Fighting Chance HO starter Strength Steal ... The first few are castable on the run while heading back to the group, and are the longest range spells first. Just wondering if there is a different (better) order.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Antryg Mistrose on <span class=date_text>10-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:10 PM</span>
Norrsken
10-11-2006, 06:13 PM
For me it usually depends on the group Im in. If its an AE heavy dps group I lead of with an ae taunt, follow up with my 3 AE attacks, soon to be 5, and grunt on with my solo target taunts. (And my blessing is up on pull to get the best aggro)<div></div>
Antryg Mistrose
10-11-2006, 06:23 PM
I don't think that works. The only AoE that can be cast on the run that I can recall (servers are down at present so I can't look), is Doom Judgement, which is pretty low range.I'm talking/asking SPECIFICALLy about body pulls - Halls of Fate, that kind of thing. Trying to get as much aggro as possible before the mob is even back to the group.Sure when I'm stationary at the group, out come the remaining DoTs and if group mobs the blue AoE ones, but that is later.<div></div>
Xanoth
10-11-2006, 07:25 PM
Sacrelagestart hoagonypromicedeath circle (can be cast on move)... by now you should be back at group... [slam] jump over mob and rotate 180 so back is to group.... carry on as normalpersonally i rarely bother with solo HOs, but im just lazy.
Norrsken
10-11-2006, 07:39 PM
<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Antryg Mistrose wrote:I don't think that works. The only AoE that can be cast on the run that I can recall (servers are down at present so I can't look), is Doom Judgement, which is pretty low range.I'm talking/asking SPECIFICALLy about body pulls - Halls of Fate, that kind of thing. Trying to get as much aggro as possible before the mob is even back to the group.Sure when I'm stationary at the group, out come the remaining DoTs and if group mobs the blue AoE ones, but that is later.<div></div><hr></blockquote>you can use the one with the upfront damage and a dot on the run too..And the third one is a fast cast. Since I have not yet gotten the AE lifetap or Hammer Ground, I dont knwo about those two.and yup, Im body pulling this way and keeping aggro off mad warlocks a few levels above me. But as my sk have not made it to t7 yet, this may or may not be flawed up there.</div><p>Message Edited by roxer2b on <span class=date_text>10-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:40 AM</span>
Start with ae taunt more upfront hate that our single targte ToT.
Beldin_
10-11-2006, 08:08 PM
<P>Depends on the behaviour of the mobs you pull, normally grouptaunt, HO starter,wis-debuff, single taunt , shieldbash.. however if you pull groups of mobs and there is a caster in the group who remains for a while on his spot to cast a spell, you will pull social aggro when using the grouptaunt as long as he is not far enough away from the next encounter.</P> <P>After that mostly the 2 "normal" aoes .. pestilence, hammer-ground, tap veines if more then one target <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by Beldin_ on <span class=date_text>10-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:12 AM</span>
Zanix
10-11-2006, 09:41 PM
<DIV>HO taunt always seemed to work great. Usually when I am body pulling, I grab agro, once mob is in range, I will AE taunt it, then kick it down to ward myself. from there, throw some dots on it, and another taunt... and it wont sway.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's always death march too.</DIV>
Nicholai24
10-12-2006, 03:20 AM
The only place I ever bodypull these days is Nizara. I always found it much more effective to demand priests cure me, and to simply wade into 8 - 12 enemies in Halls of Fate, laying about myself with AEs and Death March, Hammer Ground and Tap Veins, until I ended up surrounded by twitching droag corpses. However..You're correct to make use of Heroic Ops. -- They build fantastic aggro., actually. The way I always used to bodypull was:Grave BlessingInsidious PromiseHO Starter while runningStop at group, Putrid Coil, Sacrilege (HO Complete)Shield Slam, Insidious PromiseUnending Misery, Death Circle, Hammer Ground, Tap VeinsYou always want some form of damage-over-time power on the enemy at all times. DoT = HoT. Further, it's always better to make use of some sort of spell to activate the Heroic Op., rather than some kind of combat art. Those get parried quite often, whereas spells either hit unerringly, or else get resisted and are available for recast immediately afterwards.Just my 2 CP. Everyone has their own style.<div></div>
Beldin_
10-12-2006, 05:31 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nicholai24 wrote:<BR> The way I always used to bodypull was:<BR><BR>Grave Blessing<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ahh.. yeah .. forgot that .. i also always precast blessing as long as its not trash that also our healers can tank without problems <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>
Arillonahia
10-13-2006, 01:46 PM
<P>Just one point.</P> <P>I noticed this fighting some named in SoS round about the time they implemented the whole social aggro thing. I've always tried to pre-ward myself and did so this time as usual. Moved forward to get the named attention then 'skipped' back to my group (In a manly evil way of course). Now the named first action was to cast a spell at me without him moving forwards. The spell he cast set off the life tap from the ward which, seeing as there were a couple of wanderers closer to him, they saw fit to join the party. Great.</P> <P>I generally wait till I'll back with my group before warding now.</P>
I always say; sweet moore loot when I get adds lol
Gnome mercy
10-14-2006, 07:02 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arillonahia wrote:<BR> <P>Just one point.</P> <P>I noticed this fighting some named in SoS round about the time they implemented the whole social aggro thing. I've always tried to pre-ward myself and did so this time as usual. Moved forward to get the named attention then 'skipped' back to my group (In a manly evil way of course). Now the named first action was to cast a spell at me without him moving forwards. The spell he cast set off the life tap from the ward which, seeing as there were a couple of wanderers closer to him, they saw fit to join the party. Great.</P> <P>I generally wait till I'll back with my group before warding now.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>when pulling for groups I never lifetap ward before i get to group, most of the time id stay safe with hate pull but then i will loose aggro in between, I don't body pull either but then again I never loose aggro, i don't know how it is now as i couldn't play shortly after DoF came out but most of the time it was just solo ^^^ mobs mostly and they are easy to keep aggro on, but if people wont assist me or target through me it always goes to the crapper. So this is what i usually do, if I'm soloing and the pull is clear I'll do my ward and let him drain himself while im headed to camp or just the extra dps, but in groups i refuse to use the ward on pull, i usually wait till i get to group and the coast is clear. I love single group pulls, no adds but if a second or 3rd did add most of the time i could tank it, but most of the time in groups i stick with same strategy, taunt group taunt shield bash then ward. usually sets aggro about right and i wont halfto do much to my aggro to keep it. So if you ask me, no lifetap wards till you reach group
SageGaspar
10-14-2006, 07:15 PM
<div><blockquote><hr>Arillonahia wrote:<div></div> <p>Just one point.</p> <p>I noticed this fighting some named in SoS round about the time they implemented the whole social aggro thing. I've always tried to pre-ward myself and did so this time as usual. Moved forward to get the named attention then 'skipped' back to my group (In a manly evil way of course). Now the named first action was to cast a spell at me without him moving forwards. The spell he cast set off the life tap from the ward which, seeing as there were a couple of wanderers closer to him, they saw fit to join the party. Great.</p> <p>I generally wait till I'll back with my group before warding now.</p><hr></blockquote>Yeah, you'll notice the same thing if you have a group of mobs. If one mob is a caster and hangs back, and another mob in the encounter is a fighter and runs at you, if someone hits the fighter, anything around the caster will aggro.</div>
Haciv
10-15-2006, 10:53 PM
<P>As long as there are no caster mobs, I use: </P> <P>Sacrilege<BR>Promise<BR>Slam<BR>Death Circle<BR>Misery<BR>Hammer Ground</P> <P>Then just cycle through the taunts as they come up and use whatever attacks are up at time.<BR>---------------------------------------------------<BR>If there are caster mobs, I use:</P> <P>Promise<BR>Slam<BR>Sacrilege<BR>Death Circle<BR>Misery<BR>Hammer Ground</P> <P>Then just cycle through the taunts as they come up and use whatever attacks are up at time.<BR>---------------------------------------------------<BR>If there is single mob only (and no AE's allowed), I use:</P> <P>Sacrilege<BR>Promise<BR>Slam<BR>Agony<BR>Coil<BR>Wrath</P> <P>Then just cycle through the taunts as they come up and use whatever attacks are up at time.</P>
Norrsken
10-16-2006, 01:02 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arillonahia wrote:<BR> <P>Just one point.</P> <P>I noticed this fighting some named in SoS round about the time they implemented the whole social aggro thing. I've always tried to pre-ward myself and did so this time as usual. Moved forward to get the named attention then 'skipped' back to my group (In a manly evil way of course). Now the named first action was to cast a spell at me without him moving forwards. The spell he cast set off the life tap from the ward which, seeing as there were a couple of wanderers closer to him, they saw fit to join the party. Great.</P> <P>I generally wait till I'll back with my group before warding now.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thats odd, my ward wont proc unless Im in combat.
Gnome mercy
10-16-2006, 06:21 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> roxer2b wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arillonahia wrote:<BR> <P>Just one point.</P> <P>I noticed this fighting some named in SoS round about the time they implemented the whole social aggro thing. I've always tried to pre-ward myself and did so this time as usual. Moved forward to get the named attention then 'skipped' back to my group (In a manly evil way of course). Now the named first action was to cast a spell at me without him moving forwards. The spell he cast set off the life tap from the ward which, seeing as there were a couple of wanderers closer to him, they saw fit to join the party. Great.</P> <P>I generally wait till I'll back with my group before warding now.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thats odd, my ward wont proc unless Im in combat.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you sure about that? you must be broke then
Norrsken
10-16-2006, 06:39 PM
<blockquote><hr>Gnome mercy wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>roxer2b wrote:<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Arillonahia wrote:<BR><P>Just one point.</P><P>I noticed this fighting some named in SoS round about the time they implemented the whole social aggro thing. I've always tried to pre-ward myself and did so this time as usual. Moved forward to get the named attention then 'skipped' back to my group (In a manly evil way of course). Now the named first action was to cast a spell at me without him moving forwards. The spell he cast set off the life tap from the ward which, seeing as there were a couple of wanderers closer to him, they saw fit to join the party. Great.</P><P>I generally wait till I'll back with my group before warding now.</P><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thats odd, my ward wont proc unless Im in combat.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you sure about that? you must be broke then<hr></blockquote>Not sure, but it may be a thing with me being on a pvp server where procs wont go off unless you are in combat, thus, the blessing line wont proc until I enter combat.
Beldin_
10-16-2006, 07:36 PM
I don't know how it works exactloy now with the social aggro, however you don't get into combat mode anymore from procs, and on the other hand, if procs pull social aggro even while not in combat you also should cancel things like caress, damageshields from druids .. and whatever. Since i think that would be a little over the top i see no reason not to precast blessing <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />
Norrsken
10-16-2006, 08:20 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Beldin_ wrote:<BR> I don't know how it works exactloy now with the social aggro, however you don't get into combat mode anymore from procs, and on the other hand, if procs pull social aggro even while not in combat you also should cancel things like caress, damageshields from druids .. and whatever. Since i think that would be a little over the top i see no reason not to precast blessing <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually, procs wont go off as to not put you in combat. Well, gear procs do. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> At least according to my rather short tests where I let some mobs pound me while Ihand not engaged. Did not get one single proc off blessing. Otoh, as soon as I started autoattacking my blessing started going off. But this is on a pvp server, so the pve ones might actually behave differently.
Gnome mercy
10-17-2006, 03:28 AM
Hm, I can't say much for PvP ive never played nor had the desire to, so it could be different
Nicholai24
10-17-2006, 09:19 AM
Confirmed. You have to be engaged to proc Blessing, Caress, etc.<div></div>
Xanoth
10-17-2006, 03:33 PM
was wondering if simply turning on auto attack counts as being engaged.so without making an attack, but being considred "in combat" when hit with a ranged attack from a caster mob.
Beldin_
10-17-2006, 03:34 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> roxer2b wrote: Actually, procs wont go off as to not put you in combat. Well, gear procs do. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Gear procs also shouldn't. However .. there normally is no real reason for not precasting blessing regarding social aggro i think. Also its mostly better to use blessing then have a ward or hot from a healer on you because if you can't taunt directly after the pull because a mob is a caster, the others often turn directly on the healer. And it helps alot building up aggro faster .. i've noticed that again with my little 52 woodelf SK who still has no tap veines, if i don't precast blessing i may loose aggro from time to time on our brigand .. with blessing never <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>
Norrsken
10-17-2006, 05:07 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Beldin_ wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> roxer2b wrote: Actually, procs wont go off as to not put you in combat. Well, gear procs do. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Gear procs also shouldn't. However .. there normally is no real reason for not precasting blessing regarding social aggro i think. Also its mostly better to use blessing then have a ward or hot from a healer on you because if you can't taunt directly after the pull because a mob is a caster, the others often turn directly on the healer. And it helps alot building up aggro faster .. i've noticed that again with my little 52 woodelf SK who still has no tap veines, if i don't precast blessing i may loose aggro from time to time on our brigand .. with blessing never <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>A few peeps on the PvP servers are adamant about pants/chest imbued gear proc even if not in combat. I dont really care, because I am about as sophisticated as a wreckingball on crack when it comes to imminent combat. I wont stay out of combat more than absolutely neccessary. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>Though I do it the same way as you, and as a sk. Social aggro? I WANT multiple mobs on me at the same time. Hehe.</P>
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