SK vs Swashy

[silentpsycho]

So, I was running to my group in EL, and on my way to the Nek docks I ran into a blue con swashbuckler. I threw up my lifetap/DS and proceeded to try to lay the smack down. The problem was, my health was dropping at an amazing rate while the rogue's health didn't move at all. I had HT up, but was waiting for the swashy's health to get to 60% before I used it to counter evac, but... it never got that far before I died. I do know he had some sort of lifetap that was healing for about 2x what mine was, and was doing insane auto attack and CA damage. Basically, I'm wondering why the mitigation of my armor didn't slow down the damage he was doing (I tank blue con heroic triple ups easily, usually without the need of a healer every fight).So, is this normal? Do Swashbucklers just normally own SK's or was this some sort of freak occurance? I know in some other battles, I just threw up my reactive/DS and would watch the scout or monk kill themselves while healing me... does this not work any more? I've allways thought of my SK as sort of a scout/monk killer. Is this no longer the case after 35? If not, how do my strategies need to adjust for the 40's?

[Baaloc]

<P>Well,</P> <P>If you were running to an EL group I can assume you are 30-40. If that's the case, the swashy probably had that breastplate from RoV that drops off of Varsoon. It has a lifetap/heal effect and procs a 50% chance when hit or some craziness like that. That is the only explanation I can give. My SK beat a brig at around that level (I remember I was very proud) so there is no reason you should lose to a swash that bad.</P>

[Defianc3]

Swash coulda had a nice amount of AA's and coulda been going down the Double Attack line. Which would explain why your Hp dropped insanely fast.<div></div>

[Rylight]

im 100% sure the 2nd poster was correct, the breastplate from ruins of Varsoons is insane, and it gives scouts a major advantage, but dont fret, not many scouts have this and most well eventually grow out of it. <div></div>

[silentpsycho]

...yep, now that you mention it, his BP was the one from ROV - that explains why I couldn't damage him much - that thing did proc like crazy (I have the plate BP from ROV too, but it doesn't seem quite as useful). He was probably 36/37, my SK at the time 39. What I still don't understand is how he was able to chew through my HP's so fast. We're supposed to mitigate damage, right? My gear, while it will need to be replaced in 2 levels or so, is all legendary or mastercrafted, so I don't think it's as simple as saying "oh, it was just a twink". I'm starting to think that plate armor and a boat load of HP's aren't what they were cracked up to be as far as survivability is concerned. It's funny that I can effectively tank yellow and some orange con "uuber" heroic mobs, even groups of them, but a little blue con scout tore me apart.

[Eluzay]

<div><blockquote><hr>Baaloc wrote:<div></div> <p>Well,</p> <p>My SK beat a brig at around that level (I remember I was very proud) so there is no reason you should lose to a swash that bad.</p><hr></blockquote>how was an sk fighting a brig? were you exiled or something?as for the OP's fight, when you got to 30% health you should have HT'ed him... make him think about his chances... him evac>you dying.  Also remember debuff debuff debuff... dunno if you did that or not.</div>

[Mythros]

<DIV>Yep, I helped my brig guildy get that armor and it is insane. But the swash had to have AA points too cuase I faced my friend in the arena and yes it does not follow pvp rules but I owned him and he is just two lvls below me. I never have problems with swashies or rangers most that engage me evac when they find out that they are getting owned by me and my pet. Only time I have truoble is when I am jumped by two of them or they really know how to play thier class that deaggro skill can be a pain in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] constantly having to retarget them suks. For the record I kill up to lvl 42 swashies in one on one im 37sk. I also have a twinked out SK and have AA points.</DIV>

[Terron]

Swashies do have a mitigation debuff <div></div>

[Baaloc]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eluzay wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Baaloc wrote:<BR> <P>Well,</P> <P>My SK beat a brig at around that level (I remember I was very proud) so there is no reason you should lose to a swash that bad.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>how was an sk fighting a brig? were you exiled or something?<BR><BR>as for the OP's fight, when you got to 30% health you should have HT'ed him... make him think about his chances... him evac>you dying.  Also remember debuff debuff debuff... dunno if you did that or not.<BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A duel. I don't play PvP.

[Eluzay]

<div><blockquote><hr>Baaloc wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Eluzay wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Baaloc wrote: <div></div> <p>Well,</p> <p>My SK beat a brig at around that level (I remember I was very proud) so there is no reason you should lose to a swash that bad.</p> <hr> </blockquote>how was an sk fighting a brig? were you exiled or something?as for the OP's fight, when you got to 30% health you should have HT'ed him... make him think about his chances... him evac>you dying.  Also remember debuff debuff debuff... dunno if you did that or not.</div> <hr> </blockquote>A duel. I don't play PvP.<hr></blockquote>ahhh that explains a lot... yes SK is a dueling MACHINE! ... problem on pvp servers is they get the jump on you when fighting other mobs and we are not as uber as standing in front of them and bowing before a fight... we are still good, but dueling is where we truly shine.</div>

[silentpsycho]

<blockquote><hr>Eluzay wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Baaloc wrote:<div></div><p>Well,</p><p>My SK beat a brig at around that level (I remember I was very proud) so there is no reason you should lose to a swash that bad.</p><hr></blockquote>how was an sk fighting a brig? were you exiled or something?as for the OP's fight, when you got to 30% health you should have HT'ed him... make him think about his chances... him evac>you dying.  Also remember debuff debuff debuff... dunno if you did that or not.</div><hr></blockquote>So true. Thanks for the words of wisdom; I'm still learning this wonderful class!As for "debuff debuff debuff", I know I have an AOE taunt with a disease debuff, and a melee atack that debuffs wisdom, and a siphon str spell (which is my favorite unbreakable long lasting snare against most casters); are there any others I should be using?

[Wildfury77]

<P>Swashies Debuffs, combined with 3 poisons would account for your "failure to mitigate" I use a debuff poison, damage poison and 1 other.......</P> <P>There are several CAs that drop defence,wisdom,parry,&mitigation. A wise swashie has these at master 1/adept III........no way that you can out debuff a rogue...rogues are after all the debuff specialists!!</P><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class=date_text>10-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:30 PM</span>

[Gnome mercy]

<DIV>I remember back in the day when i played full time i was out in Thundering Steppes for a few level i was probably about 35ish, and a 42 berserker challenged me to a duel, he won the first one i was like ok ill let him have that tried again then i got close but lost, and on the third time i whooped him so bad it wasnt funny, after 3 duels i learned wuite a few intelligent tactics for dueling i even beat up a swashy that was level 50 when i was 47 or 48, this was all before AAs tho I'm not sure how they changed the game as i havent been able to experience them yet but who knows, swashy with lotsa AAs mighta been a good opponent</DIV>

[Norrsken]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wildfury77 wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>Swashies Debuffs, combined with 3 poisons would account for your "failure to mitigate" I use a debuff poison, damage poison and 1 other.......</p> <p>There are several CAs that drop defence,wisdom,parry,&mitigation. A wise swashie has these at master 1/adept III........no way that you can out debuff a rogue...rogues are after all the debuff specialists!!</p><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class="date_text">10-06-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:30 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yup, so you have 2 choices, outlast or outburn. Speaking as a sk. And most of the time, everyone but the rogues I outlast. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> the rogues I go full burn on, since they are pretty nasty if you let them play too long with you. </div>