Nizara, City of the Nayad - Tanking Issue

[mikeyswizz]

<DIV>Hey guys. I just wanted to see if anyone else experienced the problem i experienced last night in this instance. Let me start off by saying that while I am not some super equiped SK, my gear does not suck. I have all T7 legendary including 6-7 T7 fabled. All my resists sit around 6k unbuffed, and i never have an issue tanking any zone....until this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We zoned in, and our group make was</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>70 Inq</DIV> <DIV>70 Warden</DIV> <DIV>70 Conj</DIV> <DIV>70 Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>70 SK</DIV> <DIV>67 Dirge</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And we proceeded to get detroyed in less then 2 seconds 8 times in a row. I was getting quaded for 4k (1k a pop) and then hit for 4k for Flaming Claw. The battles did not even last long enough to realize what was going on, plus the group was gettng AEed and almst insta killed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Later on in the night me (70 SK), the 70 bruiser and our guild 70 zerker zoned in (the zerker is similiar equiped, I have more mit and resists, he has more hp). We wanted to show him (the zerker) how crazy the zone is. So we pulled a the first entrace mobs, with no healers, and just us 3 and proceeded to kick their [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. We were able to clear all the mobs up to the first named with just us three. Needless to say this really [Removed for Content] me off as an SK. I group with this zerker all the time and while i know that zerker as "supposed to" take hits better (warrior vs crusader) we are usually pretty comparable. I find it extremely odd that I was dropping in less then 2 seconds with 2 healers, and he was able to stay up till they were dead with no healers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does anyone have any explanation on why the dramatic difference in this zone that i do not see anywhere else? Was it designed this way? Has anyone had any better luck and was I just unlucky? I did notice that the entrance mobs were different from the first time i zoned in compared to the second time (different classes) but that's about it. The first time it was a SK and a scout (scout was doing the flaming claw) and the second time it was a scout and something else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any tips/tricks would be appreciated.</DIV>

[UnHoly Shad]

we cleared the entire zone last night with this setup:ShadowknightBerserkerTemplarMysticAssasinIll usionistGotta have a mez in there or you wont beat the zone hands down.

[Cichlasoma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> UnHoly Shadow wrote:<BR>we cleared the entire zone last night with this setup:<BR><BR>Shadowknight<BR>Berserker<BR>Templar<BR>Mystic<BR>Assasin<BR>Illusionist<BR><BR>Gotta have a mez in there or you wont beat the zone hands down.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thats fine and dandy to know, but i believe the question was more of how come the Berserker was able to tank , when the SK was not. </P> <P>Maybe he had better mit to the melee damages?</P> <P><BR> </P>

[mikeyswizz]

<DIV>My mit and resists are higher then his, His only advantage number wise, was a little more HP</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But thats comparing us non grouped and solo</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I had an inq and wardens buffs, he didnt. So i had much more HP/mit/resists</DIV>

[Nicholai24]

<P>I'll second this one. My equipment is a little worse than the OP poster, but not by much. The entrance mobs obliterated the entire group in around 4 seconds. The initial engagement seemed alright, and then I got nuked for 4,600 through 5000+ heat mitigation. I'm a little baffled, myself.</P> <P> </P> <P>On another similar note, INQUISITOR-type enemies were added to the Vaults of El'Arhad, and everything in there seemed to be doing a LOT more damage to me. I'm wondering whether something was stealth-nerfed in the patch.</P>

[mikeyswizz]

<DIV>Im going to try it again tonight with a warder, my group should look like this</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>70 SK</DIV> <DIV>70 Inq</DIV> <DIV>70 Defiler</DIV> <DIV>70 [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] (i abbreviated assassin, sigh)</DIV> <DIV>70 Brig</DIV> <DIV>67 Dirge</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hopefully with wards ill be able to withstand the big hits better, we'll see. Ill keep you updated.</DIV><p>Message Edited by mikeyswizz on <span class=date_text>06-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:13 PM</span>

[UnHoly Shad]

Im in full raid fabled with almost every resist capped and the second to last named (K'hazid gaurdian of the flames) was hitting me with AE firestorm for 5k to 7k while i had 5.5kish mit and 7300 fire resist.

[Giral]

<DIV>doubt the Warden will help , </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grouped there lastnight with </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>70 ShadowKnight </DIV> <DIV>70 Warden</DIV> <DIV>70 Defiler</DIV> <DIV>70 Swashy</DIV> <DIV>70 Wizzy</DIV> <DIV>70 Monk </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Same thing Ae's nearly Killed Group on the first Pull, we made it thru tho i was at around 50 Hp when the first one dropped , we tried the group of 3 right at entrance died 2 time's , went around , and got to the first named , died 2 time's and called it as we wanted to explore the rest of the zone . </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Swashy, Monk , Defiler all either Maxxed or missing a couple point's in AA . these are guildie's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I Sit at 7300 Hp's and 4010 Mit , Self buffed with Food and Drink , in the Group i was Just under 10 K , Bought 9895 Hp's </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Need a Mezzer is about  all i can say , pulling 2  72 ^ ^ ^  that are each hitting you for 4k to 5k + Ae's and Dot's , if heal's aren't just right it's a wipe </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looking forward to trying again tonight :   ) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. i have Absoluty no idea How the Zerker could withstand those mob's without a healer , the Word Impossible comes to my mind,  but who know's the zone Just came out and it could be Bugged Sometimes doing Extreme amount's of damage and Other time's Doing Way to little Damage , i would say to check the Battle log to see if any Huge Attack's hit the Zerker , possible when you zone in to the instance it is bugged ? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Giralus on <span class=date_text>06-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:42 PM</span>

[UnHoly Shad]

<P>To say the least the zone is messed up atm and here is proof of my group 7 manning a level 74x4 inside the instance....</P> <P><IMG src="http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/810/own3d8mz.jpg"></P><p>Message Edited by UnHoly Shadow on <span class=date_text>06-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:16 PM</span>

[Xanoth]

<DIV>i've held off posting, as i was lagging so bad when i went in that i pulled, lagged, was dead several times, </DIV> <DIV>and [Removed for Content] off doesn't even come close. think i've been in a "good" mood ever since.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>on a EU server during prime time, when the adventure pack had been out about 2 hours, we were foolish </DIV> <DIV>enough to try the zone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>odd thing i noticed in-between the lag. is some fights i hardly got touched, others i took a 5k heat nuke with </DIV> <DIV>8000+ resist.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it seemed pretty random as they weren't always doing it, due to the lag body pulling wasn't exactly reliable, </DIV> <DIV>yet they are social so ranged pulling resulted in adds too.  we did get adds several times, and it rarely resulted </DIV> <DIV>in a wipe, even through the lag being a SK its easy to hold agro in that sorta thing, we had 3 encounters at one </DIV> <DIV>point and i rarely took a hit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i wasn't really interested in trying too hard, as my GF and i joined the group late, they'd already tried to explore </DIV> <DIV>the zone jsut the 4 of them, so it didn't take long before people where on their back up gear. and i didn't want</DIV> <DIV>to waste a lock out on a tastey zone for the sake of one treasured drop from some crap named.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the way i felt at the end of the night was that trying HoF for the first time with the kind of lag we had would have been almost as </DIV> <DIV>messy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Erratee2]

<P>I havent had any tanking issues there at all. was rather depressed though when the snake lady that spawns on the dragons head didnt drop a master =(</P> <P> </P> <P>Templar/Fury</P> <P> </P> <P>and just Fury</P> <P> </P> <P>and just Templar</P> <P> </P> <P>have been the healers of my group.</P><p>Message Edited by Erratee2 on <span class=date_text>06-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:18 AM</span>

[plantb]

<DIV>My brother (70 zerker) tried tanking some of the first mobs in this zone, but I had to take over when it came to the first named.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The snakes are not much of a problem.  They seem to do Disease, Mental, Poison, and Divine.  At the time I was at 7.7K disease 7k+ for poison.  We pet pulled named, I then ae taunt, then the Coercer in the grp just mezzed the named and one add.  Was a wake-up call when we first zoned in <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  They have added some nice tricks to heroic mobs which keeps you on ur toes <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Clearing the room with the first named was as far as we got, as it was late and we were nekked <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Group</DIV> <DIV>70 SK</DIV> <DIV>70 Zerker</DIV> <DIV>70 Mystic</DIV> <DIV>64 Dirge (nothing he could do <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</DIV> <DIV>70 Necro</DIV> <DIV>70 Coercer</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looks like it will be a fun zone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plant</DIV>

[DMIstar]

<DIV>Tried out this place last night, Though only got to the first real named in zone. up the bridge, I tanked the other First two easily with zero problems.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THe named Above i can tank, if the mobs are under control, but as it was there, the mobs kept paveing over the side and ofcourse they can hit you and you cant hit them game mechanic takes effect ... ITs just a matter of mezzing and singleing the one off.</DIV>

[Phank]

You 1 grouped the x4 eh?  Okaaaay.

[Giral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Phank wrote:<BR> You 1 grouped the x4 eh?  Okaaaay.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No he didn't ONE group the X4 ,    as he said he had a " 7  " Man group and that is obviously a Huge BUG (not 2 seperate Group's One group with 7 people in it )  . secondly as we see thru this post Some poeple are Rarely taking ANY damage and Other's are Taking Extreme damage .  </P> <P> </P> <P> I  grouped there with a 70 Defiler and 70 Warden , i should have been pretty well off but i was taking Massive damage off Trash Mob's ,  someone else here said they had 3 encounter's at 1 time and took almost NO damage , someone else said a 70 Zerker cleared almost the Entire zone with NO healer : ) ,    something is Very Screwy in this zone if Any tank can Do it with NO healer and a Group of 7 can take a 74 ^ ^ ^  X4 ,  </P>

[plantb]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Giralus wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Phank wrote:<BR> You 1 grouped the x4 eh?  Okaaaay.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No he didn't ONE group the X4 ,    as he said he had a " 7  " Man group and that is obviously a Huge BUG (not 2 seperate Group's One group with 7 people in it )  . secondly as we see thru this post Some poeple are Rarely taking ANY damage and Other's are Taking Extreme damage .  </P> <P> </P> <P> I  grouped there with a 70 Defiler and 70 Warden , i should have been pretty well off but i was taking Massive damage off Trash Mob's ,  someone else here said they had 3 encounter's at 1 time and took almost NO damage , someone else said a 70 Zerker cleared almost the Entire zone with NO healer : ) ,    something is Very Screwy in this zone if Any tank can Do it with NO healer and a Group of 7 can take a 74 ^ ^ ^  X4 ,  </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I reccon that x4 gets weeker as you clear the heroic nameds.  Or there is a mistake in his con system.</P> <P>Plant</P>

[Arieneth]

im tanking it right now just fine.group:70 Warden70 Necro67 Necro70 SK70 Bruiser70 Assassinthe hardest part is the trash with ae stifles and such. named fights we just dual tank, me on the named, bruiser on the rest. so far so good. ok...back to tanking...<div></div>

[gnarkill]

<div></div>Well we have cleared it as well (GOT to have mez) but as the devs said......<span>"We're going to be adding two X4 raid encounters (one contested one instanced), several X2 raid encounters, <strong>and one extremely difficult single group instance that will be geared for the very best equipped level 70 players</strong>." - <span>mhigby(EQ2 Dev) <font color="#ffffff">at Dev Roundtable</font></span></span><div></div>

[Xanoth]

my current issue with this zone is a really can't be arsed <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />much more fun going there with my illu, just trivialises the zone almost.not sure waht the deal is with the x4 though, its REALLY weak, just takes for ever to kill it.most dangerus thing in there at the moment is the bugs <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Nicholai24]

" No he didn't ONE group the X4 ,    as he said he had a " 7  " Man group and that is obviously a Huge BUG (not 2 seperate Group's One group with 7 people in it ) "There speaks a man who's never seen a raid window before. Why don't you look at that screenshot again, you sap?He took down a x4 with 1 group, and 1 other person raided in as Group #2. Duh. How is that not the most obvious thing in the world?<div></div>

[Vexorkane]

<DIV>I have cleared Nizara twice.  First off, you need a mezer or there is no way in hell you can do much of anything, at least from my experience.  Secondly, don't take anyone in there that less than level 70.  As far as your tanking issue goes, I don't really know what to say.  The fact that you never brought a Coercer/Illusionist along probably explains it though because my Bruiser friend and I take turns tanking the mobs and either of us get pwnd as you say you are.  Think of Nizara as raid zone, you can just go around chain pulling [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].  The (heoic) mobs are no joke with raid-like qualities.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is a way to turn the x4 into a x2 btw..</DIV>

[Xanoth]

<blockquote><hr>Vexorkane wrote:<DIV>There is a way to turn the x4 into a x2 btw..</DIV><hr></blockquote>easier just to kill both, the x4 drops some decent items.