WE need

[mikeyswizz]

<DIV>We need to compile a "Im new the SK, any tips"/ "ive got questions" thread and sticky it, that way we dont get asked the same thing hundreds of times.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>any volunteers?<BR></DIV>

[Kelkirra]

<DIV>I will be willing to assist with this project after I'm done compiling my info for my next thread on our hate gain. I'll go through and see if I can target some of the primary questions that are commonly asked so that we can have this info there for anyone needing it =D</DIV>

[Agamemno]

how about1) re-roll something else before you waste 50+ levels on a class thats mostly useless/bitter and not having any fun any more at 52pretty sure its not gonna change cause sony believes we're fine gimped as we are.<div></div>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Agamemnoch wrote:<BR>how about<BR><BR>1) re-roll something else before you waste 50+ levels on a class thats mostly useless<BR><BR>/bitter and not having any fun any more at 52<BR>pretty sure its not gonna change cause sony believes we're fine gimped as we are.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We're not gimped. I don't know what play style you're lookiing for nor what you expect out of a class, but it sounds like you haven't even really attempted much quite yet. Wait untill you get the Ancient teaching spells. T6 wasn't nice to us untill the later lvls anyways =D. If you still don't like it, then betray and become one of the pallies that can't handle the dark side. =D

[Lord Montague]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Agamemnoch wrote:<BR>how about<BR><BR>1) re-roll something else before you waste 50+ levels on a class thats mostly useless<BR><BR>/bitter and not having any fun any more at 52<BR>pretty sure its not gonna change cause sony believes we're fine gimped as we are.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I would advise if you're going to leave, then just leave, stop trolling, and take your negativity with you.  There are many of us who do not agree with you, that feel that Shadowknight is a powerfull class for what it does in its own right.</P>

[olo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Agamemnoch wrote:<BR>how about<BR><BR>1) re-roll something else before you waste 50+ levels on a class thats mostly useless<BR><BR>/bitter and not having any fun any more at 52<BR>pretty sure its not gonna change cause sony believes we're fine gimped as we are.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>How about you get off your lazy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] get to 70 and Max out your AA (Or hell just go up the int line for crits), then form an opinion.</P> <P>Gimped?? I love my Sk.  Best class EVER!  Then again i'm 70.</P>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Agamemnoch wrote:<BR>how about<BR><BR>1) re-roll something else before you waste 50+ levels on a class thats mostly useless<BR><BR>/bitter and not having any fun any more at 52<BR>pretty sure its not gonna change cause sony believes we're fine gimped as we are.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>And for the record, if you're needing help with a part of the game I believe asking for advice on it will be much more productive than trolling. Like the guy said, get to 70, get a few AA's and then form an opinion. I personally believe that you can't begin to form an opinion of a class truly untill you play it beyond lvl 50. My opinion though. /shrug

[Ramglob]

I am asking for advice then.  I am a level 61 SK on Nagafen and I PVP quite often.  Over the past say 8 levels or so I feel that we as SK's lose our bite.  My numbers are getting better all the time and my Kill to Death is exc, but I really feel that the higher I go the more classes I have problems with.  I love my SK.  I am just starting to get concerned on our ability to fight any class one on one.  If you have advice please give.  My gear is very good and I have 4 adept 3's and 1 master / 1 master 2..  I am going INT in AA's but only 11 points so far.  Thanks for the advice. <div></div>

[Quaan]

Yes, SKs have no issues and I'm in denial <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />After 60 levels (sometime in DoF) I made a defiler as my new main and now I actually bring something to a raid (and am wanted there).Cant thing of anything an SK does that another class cant do better apart from being ordinary.But if you think you are fine then you must be........

[Nicholai24]

<DIV>Let's see:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We're functional raid tanks.</DIV> <DIV>We can debuff physical mit. by around 1500 + a Hex Doll</DIV> <DIV>We can debuff disease mit., which allows necros., warlocks, and fellow SKs to do a lot more damage over the course of a raid battle.</DIV> <DIV>We can restore our own power and sap enemy power for free</DIV> <DIV>We can heal ourselves completely every minute, provided we have enough enemies nearby</DIV> <DIV>We can perform at a T2 DPS level, if need be, with the proper AA load</DIV> <DIV>We can have around 92% of the same HP as another tank class, with the proper AA load-out, and we make up for the difference by bringing offensive healing power to the table (Parsed, we heal about as well as a Level 60 Templar over the course of a fight.)</DIV> <DIV>Numerous stuns, knockdowns, etc.</DIV> <DIV>Deployable DPS in the form of a cool swarmpet</DIV> <DIV>The ability to save a group or raid member instantly by way of targetable feigns</DIV> <DIV>The largest single-target taunt in the game (Pestilent Touch, Master II).. 7000+ Hate in one pop, and often more than 10,000.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Enjoy your Defiler. I'm sure you have a lot of fun soloing Heroics. May wanna pack a lunch.</DIV>

[Agamemno]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sarasoon wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr> </blockquote>We're not gimped. I don't know what play style you're lookiing for nor what you expect out of a class, but it sounds like you haven't even really attempted much quite yet. Wait untill you get the Ancient teaching spells. T6 wasn't nice to us untill the later lvls anyways =D. If you still don't like it, then betray and become one of the pallies that can't handle the dark side. =D<hr></blockquote>ewww pally? I'd rather stab myself in the face with a fork.At 52 I still feel pretty mediocre. I've tried all manner of different things and I can't really seem to excel at anything. I seem to do o.k. in a pvp group, but tend to go down kinda fast and don't feel like I put out much damage. I roll with a 1h hammer and shield, def stance only, and am mostly stam line with 4 in int and a total of i think 17 AAs.tips would be greatly appreciated.</div>

[Agamemno]

<div><blockquote><hr>olord wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr> </blockquote> <p>How about you get off your lazy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] get to 70 and Max out your AA (Or hell just go up the int line for crits), then form an opinion.</p> <p>Gimped?? I love my Sk.  Best class EVER!  Then again i'm 70.</p><hr></blockquote>Saying I can't have an opinion of a class after levelling it to 52 is pretty silly. Why waste the much LONGER time of getting the last 20 levels if I don't like the class? Lastly I'm not certain the int line is wise on a pvp server. Resists vs. disease are quite heavy in pvp especially post 50 and sure limited amount of dd's and overall weakness of the dots when compared with the pvp values of these spells AND the nice resists we all have...But then again I am not on a blue server....</div>

[Agamemno]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ramglobal wrote:I am asking for advice then.  I am a level 61 SK on Nagafen and I PVP quite often.  Over the past say 8 levels or so I feel that we as SK's lose our bite.  My numbers are getting better all the time and my Kill to Death is exc, but I really feel that the higher I go the more classes I have problems with.  I love my SK.  I am just starting to get concerned on our ability to fight any class one on one.  If you have advice please give.  My gear is very good and I have 4 adept 3's and 1 master / 1 master 2..  I am going INT in AA's but only 11 points so far.  Thanks for the advice. <div></div><hr></blockquote>I'm also on Naggy ram, and I pretty much am right there with you. Not sure what your AA layout is but might be cool if we bounced ideas off in-game as I know NO other SKs who are 50+ in game. I pretty much just hang in guild and there aren't any my level yet but me. I'd really like to keep playing my SK, i do love his big scary lookin troll-self, but just a lil iffy about the viability of him with me at the helm. </div>

[Agamemno]

<div><blockquote><hr>Nicholai24 wrote:<div>Let's see:</div> <div> </div> <div>We're functional raid tanks.</div> <div>We can debuff physical mit. by around 1500 + a Hex Doll</div> <div>We can debuff disease mit., which allows necros., warlocks, and fellow SKs to do a lot more damage over the course of a raid battle.</div> <div>We can restore our own power and sap enemy power for free</div> <div>We can heal ourselves completely every minute, provided we have enough enemies nearby</div> <div>We can perform at a T2 DPS level, if need be, with the proper AA load</div> <div>We can have around 92% of the same HP as another tank class, with the proper AA load-out, and we make up for the difference by bringing offensive healing power to the table (Parsed, we heal about as well as a Level 60 Templar over the course of a fight.)</div> <div>Numerous stuns, knockdowns, etc.</div> <div>Deployable DPS in the form of a cool swarmpet</div> <div>The ability to save a group or raid member instantly by way of targetable feigns</div> <div>The largest single-target taunt in the game (Pestilent Touch, Master II).. 7000+ Hate in one pop, and often more than 10,000.</div> <div> </div> <div>Enjoy your Defiler. I'm sure you have a lot of fun soloing Heroics. May wanna pack a lunch.</div><hr></blockquote>Heal ourselves fully? Huh? Really? Who's rosey red [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] do I have to kiss to get that spell? My heals at this point are barely noticeable in a fight even at adept 3 or better. Kinda got me excited bout this one...Necros, warlocks, and defilers debuff disease too, but  bring alot of other goodies to the table that outmatch ours.By swarmpet do you mean the dumbfire "sacrament pet", if so he took a stout nerfing like all the dumbfire pets, but its still quite nice. Cast time could be shorter though, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to get off when you got a full group of Qeynosians beating on you in pvp =P But then so is the blessing line, the AE stun from the stam line helps with that though.And I'll grant you the downright uberness of targettable feign. Keep em comming, nice to read the good stuff. Would like to hear more ideas from the high level pvpers though.</div>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quaan wrote:<BR>Yes, SKs have no issues and I'm in denial <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>After 60 levels (sometime in DoF) I made a defiler as my new main and now I actually bring something to a raid (and am wanted there).<BR><BR>Cant thing of anything an SK does that another class cant do better apart from being ordinary.<BR><BR>But if you think you are fine then you must be........<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Enjoy your defiler. If you fell more comfortable playing a healer, then by all means, play your healer. =D For the record though, this class is ANYTHING but ordinary. If you wanted ordinary, you should look for a templar or guardian as those seem to be the 2 most pure classes in the game under the classes that you seem to be interested in. (No offense guys, but I've tried both classes BORING). As far as myself thinking me to be out of the ordinary, yep and 100% so. =D Show me another tank that can DPS effecitvely, tank and heal themselves at the same time as saving a DPS's [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] because they hit their biggest attack far to early. Oh yeah, there isn't one -_-. Guess that makes me ordinary, eh?f

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Agamemnoch wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sarasoon wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We're not gimped. I don't know what play style you're lookiing for nor what you expect out of a class, but it sounds like you haven't even really attempted much quite yet. Wait untill you get the Ancient teaching spells. T6 wasn't nice to us untill the later lvls anyways =D. If you still don't like it, then betray and become one of the pallies that can't handle the dark side. =D<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>ewww pally? I'd rather stab myself in the face with a fork.<BR><BR>At 52 I still feel pretty mediocre. I've tried all manner of different things and I can't really seem to excel at anything. I seem to do o.k. in a pvp group, but tend to go down kinda fast and don't feel like I put out much damage. I roll with a 1h hammer and shield, def stance only, and am mostly stam line with 4 in int and a total of i think 17 AAs.<BR><BR>tips would be greatly appreciated.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'm not sure why you chose the STA AA line. If you can elaborate to me on this one. If you want a good combo of hate gain with DPS, I would recommend the AA paths that I focused on as they seem to be working for me:</P> <P>INT:4/4/8 (Gets you more INT, an attack you can use if you decide to go DPS and a 68% spell crit chance)</P> <P>STR: 4/4/4/8 (Gives 9% haste, an attack that gives 22% attack speed increase for 20 seconds with a 30 second recast and not a bad initial attack with it and a 10% passive hate gain along with more STR which will increase your DPS and power pool.)</P> <P>Spell quality is important for us as the higher the quality the more DPS output we have. The more DPS output, the more overall hate gain we have. My question is, are you attempting to solo? Herioc content? Epic content? Or is it just the 1 on 1 fights with the candylanders? What classes seem to be giving you trouble because I can tell you from my experience in just dueling, the only classes that really have given me trouble are brigiands and bruisers thanks to their stuns -_-. But you won't have to worry about that on a PvP server now will you =D. Oh, also make sure your reactive ward is as high as you can get it in spell quality along with your procing buffs (the group and single target one), those will add a good amount of damage and a decent heal when they proc. </P> <P>My advice honestly, if you're having trouble with other players, is to actually go offensive. You won't go down as quick as you might imagine due to your life taps hitting a bit harder and healing more. If you're wanting the tanking/DPS set-up at the same time, try that AA set up and see how it works for you. =D Hit up some quests for some better gear. I found myself taking much harder hits in just cobalt armor than I do in the t7 legendary stuff that I have gotten from instances. My fabled pieces that I now have really increased my defensive capabilites, but then again, I'm a raid tank. So, yeah. Give some answers to those questions and I'll see what I can do to direct you in a direction that might prove more satisifying for you. Once you see what we're capable of bud, you'll learn to love your SK again. =D</P>

[Agamemno]

<div></div>Went stam line for several reasons. First the extra HP, any little bit helps on the pvp server. The stun is amazing, having 3 instacast stuns is incredible. I group with a guardian alot and when we have support we absolutely wreck stuff. Anyone we come up against is stunned so often they can't see and knocked back from our squishies to boot. Also the divine aura looks downright sexy to me. As for why I go def stance, its the wis as much as the mit. Def stance is unbelievable vs. a wizzy!Int line feels like a waste to me, but the 68% chance to crit sure sounds nice, I'm not equipping no symbol in secondary though. I lose defense, and a stun just for another nuke? Meh. I've been pondering the strenght line too, perhaps I will try that haste, and I'm working on getting a new skull basher atm, guy is gonna be crafting me a cobalt hammer which is MUCH better than the indurium. I'm far enough into stam line that I have i think 3 points into the melee crit chance and I must say it sure is nice =P SK spells are pretty pricey on the pvp server so I have trouble getting masters and stuff, and spend too much time alting to go out and harvest my own rares for adept3s.Guess I need to buck up and play my SK some more I might just be drinking too much of the forum kool-aid.May just give my off-stance a try in pvp again, just seems like I get eaten fast in off stance. Esp vs. casters.Oh, and whats the deal with Mana Seive. Its the last level 52 spell I need to get, can't find hide-nor-hair of it on broker but got the teachings for guild alchemist. Is it worth getting the rare for? I don't know the details of the spell, ogamings list don't give much =/<div></div><p>Message Edited by Agamemnoch on <span class=date_text>06-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:30 AM</span>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Agamemnoch wrote:<BR> Went stam line for several reasons. First the extra HP, any little bit helps on the pvp server. The stun is amazing, having 3 instacast stuns is incredible. I group with a guardian alot and when we have support we absolutely wreck stuff. Anyone we come up against is stunned so often they can't see and knocked back from our squishies to boot. Also the divine aura looks downright sexy to me. <BR><BR>As for why I go def stance, its the wis as much as the mit. Def stance is unbelievable vs. a wizzy!<BR><BR>Int line feels like a waste to me, but the 68% chance to crit sure sounds nice, I'm not equipping no symbol in secondary though. I lose defense, and a stun just for another nuke? Meh. I've been pondering the strenght line too, perhaps I will try that haste, and I'm working on getting a new skull basher atm, guy is gonna be crafting me a cobalt hammer which is MUCH better than the indurium. <BR><BR>I'm far enough into stam line that I have i think 3 points into the melee crit chance and I must say it sure is nice =P SK spells are pretty pricey on the pvp server so I have trouble getting masters and stuff, and spend too much time alting to go out and harvest my own rares for adept3s.<BR><BR>Guess I need to buck up and play my SK some more I might just be drinking too much of the forum kool-aid.<BR><BR>May just give my off-stance a try in pvp again, just seems like I get eaten fast in off stance. Esp vs. casters.<BR><BR>Oh, and whats the deal with Mana Seive. Its the last level 52 spell I need to get, can't find hide-nor-hair of it on broker but got the teachings for guild alchemist. Is it worth getting the rare for? I don't know the details of the spell, ogamings list don't give much =/<BR> <P>Message Edited by Agamemnoch on <SPAN class=date_text>06-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:30 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I agree with the added WIS from the def stance vs. casters. Slap on some common resist gear to boost the heat and cold resist to 6K vs one of these buggers and they are almost completly useless against us. =D Oh no, please don't root me, what am I going to do (As I am casting over half of my spells and blowing the wizzy away =D). The mana sieve is a godsend my friend. It is a mana tap basically. I would definately invest in the rare for this spell as I still use it at lvl 70.</P> <P>Please, before you decide to digest all of the garbage that our class is useless from all of the ppl on these forums, please take a look at all of the forums. You will find that there are ppl in EVERY class that complain that they are useless. Even the guardians have ppl that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about every aspect of their class, and they are considered the best tanks out of the entire game. (Please guys, don't take that as a flame, just using you as an example =P). Most of the ppl that complain on these boards are generally the ones that are taking what other ppl are feeding them and never investigating  it themselves. I have yet to see a class in this game that is useless on a raid/group. It is all based on how you play your toon imo. Get the upgrades, try out some different approaches when you run across something that seems to be a bit difficult. I personally am a fan of challenges and I see this class as the most challenging class that I have run across thus far. The "problems" that most ppl complain about are easily negated with a different strategy than what ppl are willing to try out.</P> <P>Get out there and test this for yourself bud, you'll find that your own experiences are much better than the garbage that ppl try to feed you here. =D</P>

[Ajil]

<P>the higher in level i get, the more difficult I am to kill in PVP.  the ward, multiple taps, mana sieve, etc... make me pretty durable, resists help A LOT, and gear is starting to give me an edge.  I love my PVP SK.  (lvl 64 here, so far)  Most of the time I'm at least duoing with a necro, if not in a full group, so my primary functions in PVP are to taunt everything like crazy, not die, and to drop the cloth-wearers ASAP if I find myself with nothing else to do.  Solo I can hold my own very well, again, resists help a lot here...</P> <P>As for AAs, I went WIS for Battle Leadership, and put some points into STA (hitpoints) and INT (dps).  will be going up INT line next...</P>

[Ramglob]

<DIV>Ajilon,</DIV> <DIV>I do agree that we are excellent in group situations.  We are hard to take down and good at all the intangibles.  My concern is one on one.  I have trouble with even con: Conj, Monks, Swashies, Healers.   It just gets a little frustrating when you try to take someone out solo.  I wish we could kill faster.  </DIV>

[Agamemno]

Oh ramglobal I would say that you're just gonna have to get used to the fact that not every class can kill any other class 1v1. If an SK could outright kill anyone else all other things being equal I'd say that would be unbalanced. Out of all the classes you have trouble with small portion of them. I'd say you're doing just fine =P Much better than me in fact, I have trouble with most classes 1v1, but then I don't consider myself a good solo-pvper.I'd much rather roll with a balanced group, much more likely to come up against grouped enemies than solo ones IMHO. And besides 6v6 or 5v5 fights are fun as hell! Swashies have nasty stuns, my technique which really hasn't worked for healers is to sick pet and melee till they get low on power (like that will ever happen) then go nuts. Healers are tough nuts to crack regardless of your class tbh. Monks later on seem to come into thier own. My biggest  beef with 1v1 is stopping a runner, our snare kinda bites [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] (not that they all don't now), but ours being like a 4000000 second cast is almost impossible to get off if someone turns to run, by then its wore off by the time you catch up anyway =) Think they need to make it castable on the run. In fact I think zerkers and guardians need a stun like that too!<div></div>

[Ramglob]

<DIV>Agamenoch,</DIV> <DIV>I run with a large group 40% of the time.  I duo the other 60% of the time.  I never solo.  I just wish we had the ability to kill something solo.  I just want to be the baddest toon in the game!!!!!!!  I wish they would put HT on a 10 second timer so we can just fire it at will lol.</DIV>

[Lord Montague]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ramglobal wrote:<BR> <DIV>Agamenoch,</DIV> <DIV>I run with a large group 40% of the time.  I duo the other 60% of the time.  I never solo.  I just wish we had the ability to kill something solo.  I just want to be the baddest toon in the game!!!!!!!  I wish they would put HT on a 10 second timer so we can just fire it at will lol.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Is that sarcasm I sense?  Solo ablilty?  10 sec HT?  /boggle</P><p>Message Edited by Lord Montague on <span class=date_text>06-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:08 AM</span>

[Agamemno]

well to be honest I rarely go out looking for pvp with my SK solo. Moreover, I even MORE rarely get a solo fight. If i do its some red con 70 running up and ganking me while I'm out doing quests in SS or some such these days.I think if i could run into most people solo and them not get the drop on me and we fight I'd do o.k. Usually its ganks though, bunch comes running along and pillages me and leaves me lookin for the preparation H =(<div></div>

[Pitt Hammerfi]

heh i cant beleive you guys dont go the Wis and Int linesi love the wisdom line, group buffs are pretty handy

[Agamemno]

yeah i might consider wis line after a fashion. After looking at parses though I sorta got a woody for the int line =) crits > group buffs on the pvp server IMHO<div></div>