For those who think SKs cant dps...

[gnarkill]

<img src="http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6387/dps0te.jpg"><div></div>In lab without HT..we can do it all!

[HentaiB]

I do not have a screen shot of it but my last labs run was 979 for the zone.  So yes we can dps my best right now is 1800 sustained but that was a insane amount of luck with procs hitting like crazy on a 1 minute fight about 900-1000 is my zone average.  Grats BTW, and yes we can dps.

[Giral]

<DIV>can we see the other 300 Parce's please :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Death march +pestilance+ all debuffs landing + a Big pull say atleast 3 to 5 Group  mob's = yeah No HT and Good dp's </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd say the 0ther 98 % of the time you we're more down near the bottom </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and another 1 % of the time close to the bottom/middle </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>why did you only show One parce ?  of course it's nice to see a Parce when you did Great , but we are talking about a Steady average Dp's , not the best you did , and Dp's done by a Tank Sk in 1h shield/Def or 2 hand/Off Vs a Zerker Tank in 1H/shield/Def or 2H/Off <------in either one a Zerker out dp's a Sk by a Large margin , and in most cases a Zerker in 1h+shield/Def will out Dp's a Sk in 2H/Off  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>go Dou with a Berserker and a healer and Paste up 30 Parces of Single Mob's , Group Mob's,    IMO the Zerker will Far out Dp's you in similar gear/masters  in either stance 90% of the time  ,   and Pull 3 group's of mob's (lower levels so you dont die<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and don't use death march or pestilence and all your debuff's ,  IMO you will be out dp'sed on All of these </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Pull a couple of grouped mob's 3 or 4  with deathmarch and pestilence + all de-buff's <--- this is IMO the only way you will out dp's the zerker And NOT by much  , to max our dp's everything needs to be Just right and need's to be a Long fight ,with Lot's of mob's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(a Sk's that is totally Ball's to the wall's Intell (Battlemage) might be able to Max dp's But we are talking about Tanking and How we Tank with DP's like a Zerker , if Zerker's out Dp's us and have Greater agro on thier Tuant's when Mt'ing and they hold great agro then obviously Dp's/Tuant's can work well, but our Dp's/Tuant's are Sub par and Agro is a Chore for Most Sk's) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We do OK dp's just like we do everything else we are in the Middle of the road , </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sk's aren't Great soloer's either again they are in the Middle of the soloing range maybe the High side of Middle Vs most classes but certainly not in the top 5 soloing spot's </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Giralus wrote:<div>can we see the other 300 Parce's please :smileyvery-happy:</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Death march +pestilance+ all debuffs landing + a Big pull say atleast 3 to 5 Group  mob's = yeah No HT and Good dp's </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>I'd say the 0ther 98 % of the time you we're more down near the bottom </div> <div> </div> <div>and another 1 % of the time close to the bottom/middle  </div><div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>O rly? this was not 2 minutes later..mind you thats a bruiser right under my name  with both twin calamities and i use death march like uhm NEVER..cept pvp groups it sux..sup owned<img src="http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/537/dps7el.jpg"></div>

[gnarkill]

<div></div><div></div><div>bah double post</div><p>Message Edited by ta2demon on <span class=date_text>06-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:35 PM</span>

[gnarkill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Giralus wrote:<div>can we see the other 300 Parce's please :smileyvery-happy:</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Death march +pestilance+ all debuffs landing + a Big pull say atleast 3 to 5 Group  mob's = yeah No HT and Good dp's </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>I'd say the 0ther 98 % of the time you we're more down near the bottom </div> <div> </div> <div>and another 1 % of the time close to the bottom/middle </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>why did you only show One parce ?  of course it's nice to see a Parce when you did Great , but we are talking about a Steady average Dp's , not the best you did , and Dp's done by a Tank Sk in 1h shield/Def or 2 hand/Off Vs a Zerker Tank in 1H/shield/Def or 2H/Off <------in either one a Zerker out dp's a Sk by a Large margin , and in most cases a Zerker in 1h+shield/Def will out Dp's a Sk in 2H/Off  </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>go Dou with a Berserker and a healer and Paste up 30 Parces of Single Mob's , Group Mob's,    IMO the Zerker will Far out Dp's you in similar gear/masters  in either stance 90% of the time  ,   and Pull 3 group's of mob's (lower levels so you dont die<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and don't use death march or pestilence and all your debuff's ,  IMO you will be out dp'sed on All of these </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> Pull a couple of grouped mob's 3 or 4  with deathmarch and pestilence + all de-buff's <--- this is IMO the only way you will out dp's the zerker And NOT by much  , to max our dp's everything needs to be Just right and need's to be a Long fight ,with Lot's of mob's</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>(a Sk's that is totally Ball's to the wall's Intell (Battlemage) might be able to Max dp's But we are talking about Tanking and How we Tank with DP's like a Zerker , if Zerker's out Dp's us and have Greater agro on thier Tuant's when Mt'ing and they hold great agro then obviously Dp's/Tuant's can work well, but our Dp's/Tuant's are Sub par and Agro is a Chore for Most Sk's) </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>We do OK dp's just like we do everything else we are in the Middle of the road , </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Sk's aren't Great soloer's either again they are in the Middle of the soloing range maybe the High side of Middle Vs most classes but certainly not in the top 5 soloing spot's </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Dont hate...appreciate..seems like you are salty a little? dunno why =(</div>

[gnarkill]

I actually started this thread for frustrated lower lvl SKs who post here and think we cant contribute like others and want to reroll..so please dont tarnish this anymore=(<div></div>

[Giral]

<DIV>sorry you didnt say this was for low lvl's anywhere in the OP </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also noticed that your Damage stays about the same in both , and Scythe and Kryptic seem to have Flipped thier spot's on the Dp's tree and Dagg is just below you on Both of them, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>of course the next line of question's is Group set up/Gear/Master's etc....... Dagg Could be a lvl 66 etc...... who know's WHO CARES : ) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   I am not a Dp's # Cruncher and could care less  as long as i can perform my Main Function , And that is Tank, and i Do that and i Do that Well , yes i have some Minor agro issue's , and my Dp's isn't where it should be Tanking IMO , but whatever i was responding to your OP with my Personal experiance .  sure i could be wrong i have been wrong befor atleast i would be wrong in a good way : ) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  TO any Low lvl Sk's , Sk is a Fun .well rounded Class , if Played Correctly it is one of the Best Character's in the game to play . </DIV> <DIV>we have some Minor issue's that need tweaking but so do ALL Tank classes </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Beldin_]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Giralus wrote:<BR> <DIV>can we see the other 300 Parce's please :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>And can i please see the 1000 and more parses of all the ub0r zerkers ? <BR>

[JoarAddam]

<DIV>I haven't maxxed all of my achievement points yet but am hitting 600+dps almost every parse.  part of it is about your raid leader putting people in the right group.  part of it is down to luck, but yes, we can dps.  Hell, I soloed Rahotep today.  it was a long long fight, but every bit helps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think any SK expects to be in the top 5 every single fight, but honestly, anything above the paste limit is darn good for our class.</DIV>

[DMIstar]

<P>It realy gets down to, your equipment vs others in the Raid, and what your focusing on your equipment and what your playstlye is being used for said raid.</P> <P>If im concentrateing on DPS and have no other things to consider dureing a raid or Group, Im typically at the first spot, but if not, atleast in the top five for DPS is most cases.. </P> <P>Now if im there to work on different roles, aka Pulling or Believeing that need to grave blessings tank and help watch control of the mob, Ofcourse my DPS is going to go down and lvl out to somewhere in the top 10, with alot of flux in positions. Same goes for when im tanking, Im normaly even lower, due to how I focus on tanking ability. </P> <P>Overall, Ive been inch to inch with berserkers before on DPS, But dont doubt that an equally equiped or better on dmg the end, will tip the scale on dps against me with little problem. But no not every berserker out there is going to out DPS me. It all boils down to stats and how they play, which is the same with all classes. </P>

[SinIsLaw]

posting a dps parse imho means "jack", and it only will cause that other classes scream "nerf, nerf" ... seen it so many times before DPS depends so much on group setup for so many classes ... as well for us, put me in a group with a coecer, dirge and inq and I end up on the upper ranks (unless i slack), add me to the caster group and I still can do alright !!! Also, using ward and hex dolls will effect once DPS, and I'm using both at times ... if I'd left that out i would even do better! yepps a zerker in the same group with me can out dps me ... but i usually end up FDing him for over aggroing, with the MT having a hard time getting aggro back ... while I can quite nicely go full burn, with out a risk of getting aggro <div></div>

[EasternKing]

<P>i dont agree with the negative attitudes being shown here, and no an SK doesnt need a coercer dirge and an inquis to do 900dps when raiding, my guild sk when hes in the mt group regularly parses 900dps with just a coercer's buffs, ive seen him parse over 1300 dps once or twice when in with a troubie and hes in batllemage mode, and no i dont think its gonner get SK's nerfed, near enough all tanks are capable of breaking 900dps, so stop with the doomsaying.</P>

[Beldin_]

I would really be much more interested what all these "i do 10.000 dps on raid" people really do solo or in a "normal" group without a brigant in the pocket and 100 otherkinds of buffs and debuffs.In all groups that i ever parsed 500-600 dps was mostly really TOP dps that rangers, swashies or summoner with pet could hit.If i look at tanks,i see Paladins make 150-200, Bersis 200-300, and my SK 300-400.So i really would like to see parses from over maybe 1-2 hours in Scalborn oder HoFoder whatever, without a brigand in group, and i'm interestet if your zerkers therealso hit 10.000 dps <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Nataenel]

<DIV>Wonder what we'll be doing after LU24 hits</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Nataenelas on <span class=date_text>06-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:35 PM</span>

[Ep]

Since we're talkin about labs(lots of room for epic trash mobs...) i'm MT, by default(b/c of procs of course) i'm top5, and my 2 guild SK's (1 usually in mt group with me, we always run with a coercer, rarely dirge) take up either top5 or top7 or they'll be swapping if warlocks do really good fusions.Whom do i usually have aggro problems with? it'd be brawlers/sk's and sometimes a mage of some sort. Thats mainly on linked epic trash mobs, and this is just 3-4% of the time, i'm pretty sure it's when one of them has a good lucky streak, otherwise dps is constant and the same classes trade spots for top5 really.(i think brawlers have hate proc going..., everyone wants to make the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] dps top5 ha)My point? If you can do top5 dps as a melee... thats pretty good, heck top10 is pretty good...Yea myself as a zerker if i were to go dps(been mt for a while) i'd just have to switch my 2hander and offstance and i'm pretty much constant top5 also.( i say constant top5, as a zerker you get 3, 3minute timer CA's that are pretty damaging, that if you cycle once per fight you'll have constant high dps, and not be a wierd aggro puller that some of you may see)But whats the fear? that if you can't do top5 dps you won't be on raids? that no raid will need a sk? (that fear aa, is pretty much moot, honestly, i just walk/crouch in corner and when i'm feared i'm usually crawling to the same corner, if it doesn't get cured in 5secs...) as i said my guild runs with 2 SK's, who are top5, top7 dps.<div></div>

[joeygopher]

<P>Don't know what it is about labs, but I was regularly top 3 DPS in a 24-man raid there, and always in top 10.</P> <P>Everywhere else I suck tho :smileywink:</P>

[JoarAddam]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nataenelas wrote:<BR> <DIV>Wonder what we'll be doing after LU24 hits</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Nataenelas on <SPAN class=date_text>06-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:35 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I haven't seen any changes to thr SK with 24.   unless you count the Plate BP nerfs

[Kelkirra]

Warriors are not the only tanks. As far as the OP, great job man. My consistant DPS is around 600-700, but mostly because I'm in defensive tanking, which is what I perfer most of the time. I've parsed above 1K a time or 2 and parsed 1 in raids quite a few times. Our fear immunity is pretty decent if you want to devote yourself to it. I've posted elsewhere though, most of the fears in my experience are noxious based and most of the noxious  was disease based. Being a disease based tank, this is our strength. I've seen more resists on the mobs fears when I know that the mob has it. =D Our DPS is great, our tanking capabilities are great, our utility is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good for a plate class and the overall fun factor of this class is out of this world, at least for me. To all of the haters, come on guys, if you don't like your class reroll.

[Beldin_]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sarasoon wrote:<BR> and the overall fun factor of this class is out of this world, at least for me. To all of the haters, come on guys, if you don't like your class reroll.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah .. i really never had so much fun with any spell then with pestilence .. i love it if i get an ad and say : Ha .. you should get the plague for that .. my friends in Teamspeak must really begin to think im crazy <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Phank]

<P>Allies: (00:30) 34898 | 1,163.27 [Drool-Tap-1088]<BR>Drool 34898 | 1,163.27</P> <P>Just a solo parse in Bonemire this morning.  I was testing out switching between Great Spear and Claymore during fight.  No Harmtouch obviously.  And they were green mobs.</P> <P>SKs do okay, helps if you have Qeynos Claymore and are tanking.  I've parsed as much as 18k dmg from the Claymore Divinity proc alone vs an encounter.  I'm still not that jazzed about both Effects being defensive components, but whatever.  SOE ain't gonna change it so might as well embrace it.</P>

[Bobbette]

Ok, so tell me how to boost my dps like that.  How'd you spec your AA lines?  What classes are in your group for buffs?  My SK isn't doing too badly but nothing like that.  Inquiring minds want to know!<div></div>

[olo]

<P>I had to stop reading;</P> <P>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is up with the people saying, hey you can't count this spell or you can't use this. </P> <P>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!</P> <P>That is like saying; hey zerker, you can't use rampage and open wounds on that group mob b/c you will have higher than normal dps!!!</P> <P>A parse is a Parse, a fellow Sk guildy of mine that is pretty much all geared out and has mostly A3's and a few masters gets on that parse EVERY SINGLE TIME, and that is with all lvl 70's in the raid.</P> <P>Seriously all you Sk's you just complain and complain, either betray to a pally or delete your toon and get off this board.</P>

[olo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bobbette wrote:<BR>Ok, so tell me how to boost my dps like that.  How'd you spec your AA lines?  What classes are in your group for buffs?  My SK isn't doing too badly but nothing like that.  Inquiring minds want to know!<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I get tossed around depending on what the raid wants me to do.  If they put me in the MT grp it is because they want my mit buff on the MT.  I like to grp with Scouts/Mages so max my Int and Str.  The key AA line is INT.</P> <P>But what really helps the DPS is getting all A3's and/or Masters.  After awhile you can "feel" when the MT has aggro, even if it is a single mob i throw in my AoE's if my power pool is doing alright for the fight.  Necro's and Conj are your best friends with their hearts and woods.  Do the Manastone hertitage quest and so forth.  Get your Mana regen up, and cast like crazy.</P>

[mikeyswizz]

<DIV>get a pocket gnome coercer =)  i have one =P</DIV>

[Bobbette]

Ok so how have you spent your points in the Int AA line?I'm mostly masters and ad3's on my skills/spells.  When I raid I'm usually put with the mages for the intelligence buffs, and haste from the troub.  Got the mana sieve, got the manastone, got FT gear.So that leaves AA line?  DPS buffs?  More Haste?I'm always looking for ways to boost my dps since I'm not MT in raids.<div></div>

[Phank]

<DIV>I maxed out WIS line for utility and took INT line to max Crits.  The 69% crits helps Dps a ton.  But if you really want to go dps, look to STR line.</DIV>

[mikeyswizz]

<DIV>Strength line does help increase damage, but not by as much as you would think. Think about an average fight, how much time and damage do you do in spells vs melee. I dont have exact numbers but im willing to bet that its about 85-15. I like the wisdom line that increases my slashing, piercing, crushng, and spell skills by over 27</DIV>

[Bobbette]

What about the sta line with the melee crit?  Useful?  or useless?I have the wisdom line down to the bottom but the incr to melee/spells isn't maxed at this point.  I have the int line to spell crits (at 4 right now).  And was thinking to get melee crits.  but a friend today said it wasn't worth it.So figured I'd ask for opinions here too.<div></div>

[Kelkirra]

<DIV>IMO, I don't see it as worth it. My AA set up is this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>STR: 4/4/4/8 (for hate gain and the haste)</DIV> <DIV>INT: 4/4/8 (for the spell crits which is more hate gain and DPS)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The rest of my AA's are set in AGI and STA for the increased stats since I seem to be lacking these with my current gear. I am not a fan of the melee crit line as we don't really melee that much. If you build up the haste with 8 points then I would say it might be worth it, but even iffy then. My set up is for tanking as we use our DPS for hate gain and the 10% passive hate gain is always helpful =D. WIS, wasn't my bag as I pretty much do nothing BUT tank with my toon. But, I can see it's usefullness in certian situations. =D Hope this was helpful. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Beldin_]

<DIV>I took Sta over Str because i never saw any good axe till now but have a good mace, and i think the AoE Stun will also produce some aggro .. and some more hps are also never that bad <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Kelkirra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Beldin_ wrote:<BR> <DIV>I took Sta over Str because i never saw any good axe till now but have a good mace, and i think the AoE Stun will also produce some aggro .. and some more hps are also never that bad <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nope. I have an ax that came from PoA with regeneration on it. I have seen some nice fabled ax's in t7 though and I am STILL drooling. =P I did pump 8 points into STA for the added HP, but didn't really like the rest of the line that much. Doesn't fit my play style to be honest. =P MORE DPS, MORE DPS, MORE DPS

[Beldin_]

<blockquote><hr>Sarasoon wrote:<BR>Nope. I have an ax that came from PoA with regeneration on it. I have seen some nice fabled ax's in t7 though and I am STILL drooling. =P I did pump 8 points into STA for the added HP, but didn't really like the rest of the line that much. Doesn't fit my play style to be honest. =P MORE DPS, MORE DPS, MORE DPS<hr></blockquote>Hm .. i think i mentioned it before .. since i'm no Raider the chance to get one of thesefabled axes will be near to zero i think <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Just for DPS .. i really can't see that the Str line brings that much without an axebecause the little more passive haste you get didn't looks to me as if it will reallyboost the DPS that much.Btw.: I don't believed it .. but i can now also brag with the fact that i yesterday constantlymade 1000-1200 dps while soloing.However i'm still so honest to say that i still don't do much more than maybe400-500 dps against a single mob .. yesterday i was harvesting on Gazer Isle and constantlypulled 8 Gazers at once .. and thats the only trick how i can get such DPS <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Agamemno]

whats the name of the util that shows you that DPS parse in-game?<div></div>

[plantb]

<DIV>How much you parse  has so many factors.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1)Lvl of the mob</DIV> <DIV>2)Does the mob have diesease resistance</DIV> <DIV>3)Raid make or grp</DIV> <DIV>4)Are people debuffing</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1)I find that I parse higher in Labs then Lyceum.  All mobs in Lyceum are yellow con and over 71</DIV> <DIV>2)Drakes in Labs tend to resist Debuffs (Ei Despoil, Siphon might,) as they seem to have high disease resist.  So does Harla Dar,  Took me 4 attempts to land Despoil on her (Ad3 ftw)</DIV> <DIV>3)I like to be either in MT group or Mage group as both grps have high Int.  With 540 Int I'm at the most I can do for spell dmge.</DIV> <DIV>4)Players need to debuff Disease.  With debuffs on I can dble my dmge, but it requires people to make sure that their debuffs are on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also the parsing progam as well.  Parsers afik work like this ur total dmge / time.  So if your main tank you have an advantage on the parsing table because you will be fighting first, while the time is ticking for everybody else which are not doing damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You should use Advanced Combat Tracker.  The program parses the player from when he/she starts to fight, therefore it gives you true dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So against An Eye of Thule in Lyceum I did 619dps, thats 85554 dmge in 2mins 18secs.  Out of that 24% of it was slashing dmge the rest being spell dmge. So</DIV> <DIV>12% My pet did - Counts to our dps now on parsers</DIV> <DIV>8% Putrid Coil - Which btw tends to do the most dmge on single targets</DIV> <DIV>7% Grim Strike</DIV> <DIV>6% Abominable Wrath</DIV> <DIV>6% Abominable Anger</DIV> <DIV>And more stuff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Out of the 15 Spells + CAs I used 11 Did Disease damage - This is why it is very important to debuff the mob disease resists.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really suggest, if ya havent already, taking a look at  Advanced combat tracker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plant</DIV>

[Agamemno]

Yeah downloaded it today and I'm still getting the feel of it. Seems kinda odd the way it seems to miss alot of the pvp fights for parsing. Also seems to hose up the multiple mob encounters. Its as if its not counting the whole time of each kill. Dunno might be something to do with the way I have it setup. Gonna start running it on a different computer though rather not waste the cycles =P But yeah I was kinda surprised to notice that the majority of our damage was from "non-melee" now do our CAs count as non-melee? I'm not sure what those fall under *shrug* i'll figure it out. Sorry for the thread hi-jack btw =P<div></div>

[plantb]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Agamemnoch wrote:<BR>Yeah downloaded it today and I'm still getting the feel of it. Seems kinda odd the way it seems to miss alot of the pvp fights for parsing. Also seems to hose up the multiple mob encounters. Its as if its not counting the whole time of each kill. Dunno might be something to do with the way I have it setup. Gonna start running it on a different computer though rather not waste the cycles =P But yeah I was kinda surprised to notice that the majority of our damage was from "non-melee" now do our CAs count as non-melee? I'm not sure what those fall under *shrug* i'll figure it out. Sorry for the thread hi-jack btw =P<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>CAs are disease.  CAs/Spells that have another affect on then, eg Fetid Smite, and Unending Misery, use two stats.  The first Hit for both is disease damage, and Increases as your Strength goes up.  The Second Hit is increased using Int.  So there ya go 2 attributes to increase the damage of one CA.</P> <P>There are one or two CAs that dont do disease, Smash being one of them.  </P> <P>Fyi Debuffs are Disease as well.  Duel a fellow sk with about 6k Disease resist and you will be lucky to land any debuffs.  Oh and the fight will take ages.</P> <P>I've changed my AA lines again.  Using Int - 8-4-8  Sta - 4-4-8 Str 4-4-5  Max dps.  Use 2 hander axe just to switch on the haste buff.  That nice one hander Frost Axe dropped earlier, wasnt allowed to outbid our guardian cus of mi recruit status. /sigh</P> <P>Maybe next time <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Plant</P> <P>Edit: Spell name.</P><p>Message Edited by plantboy on <span class=date_text>06-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:40 AM</span>

[Xanoth]

<DIV>just to dig up this thread and keep the beliefe in the class alive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>went to the lyceum to kill trash with 2 group... on our main raid night... seems a great week for festivals and RL drama <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>anyway, not sure why when 2 grouping lyceum we decided to have a DPS contest.. but seemed like fun, and certainly made it enjoyable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but what i was supprised with was the numebrs i was getting even on single mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the best of the lot being:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (01:1<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 691362 | 8863.62 [Assassin-Killing Blade-6915]<BR>Xanoth 88101 | 1129.50<BR>Brigand 87507 | 1121.89<BR>Assassin 82692 | 1060.15<BR>MT Zerker 81022 | 1038.74<BR>Ranger 76438 | 979.97<BR>Monk 66352 | 850.67<BR>Zerker 48289 | 619.09<BR>2-boxed Warlock 46609 | 597.55<BR>Coercer 43962 | 563.62<BR>Dirge 37521 | 481.04<BR>Warden 12821 | 164.37<BR>Inquisitor 9553 | 122.47<BR>Fury 6987 | 89.58<BR>Defiler 3508 | 44.97</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>having a Dirge in the group really helped <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but i was in MT group (wasn't really doing my job as buff tank, but MT was in offencive stance too... so who cares <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />), MT group was : Zerker, Fury, Defiler, Inquisitor, Dirge, Shadowknight (me).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>to me that doesn't seem ideal for maxing my DPS, so in all hoensty i think SKs can definatly push higher on single target mobs.<BR></DIV> <DIV>SK's rock! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>although the zerker usually beat me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[gnarkill]

<img src="http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1989/untitled3wd.jpg"><div></div>On Ghazi...keep em comin guys!

[Agamemno]

thanks plantboy clears that up for me. And very nice numbers guys =P<div></div>