Sk vs Non-Guardians Fighters

[No]

<DIV>I will avoid getting back into that Five Issues Post right below. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I wanna specify some other facts.  From some talks with Devs SK's are supposed to do about the same dmg as berserkers but instead of melee, our dmg would be spell wise.  Which is so far the way it should be.  But I am still wondering why we have no proc which are spell based.  If we are casters shouldn't we have any procs that procs on hostile action done to a mob ?   And while at it ... Why having a Physical mitigation debuff when we should be doing more dmg spell wise ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In compares to Pallies, our Ae's are all limited to 8 targets, while some of theirs have no-limitations.  In fact, pallies are awesome if you check into having nice ae's, Amend and LoH added to that, plus not really having to focus on int. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now what about Brawlers.  They seamed to have become the eq1 sk's of this expansion.  Being able to Solo more than us and having leet abilities to pull. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sk's are almost Useless in raids.  Alright they can Off-tank some stuff, our dmg is average.  But we can be replaced by ANY CLASS.  If they need dps then they can go into a Pet class, swash, Assasin or Briguand and will benefit more of their presence then ours.  If some tankage is needed ... A berserker will do a better job than us ... So we need to get some fix and maybe gives us something that other classes don't so as well as we do ... 1 specific thing ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for the Finale here is a parse of a raid We done not too long ago ... and the Dps that we made... Maybe at some lower levels Sk's rocks ... but at lvl 70 and with a fully raid geared guild ...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lyc Merged</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Conjuror 1458.25</DIV> <DIV>Assasin 1307.52</DIV> <DIV>Swash   1130.31</DIV> <DIV>Ranger1 1121.12</DIV> <DIV>Wizard 1074.01</DIV> <DIV>Briguand 958.43</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Bruiser 875.87</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Illusionist 808.68</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Monk 791.74</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Dirge 759.36</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Guardian 754.40</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Berserker1 726.65</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Ranger2 716.11</DIV> <DIV>Conjuror2 697.21</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Berserker2 676.24</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Shadowknight 615.62</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Palladin 590.79</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Troubador 509.81</DIV> <DIV>Warden 376.42</DIV> <DIV>...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ritsar Nody Dream'Breaker lvl 70 SK Fires Of Heaven</DIV> <DIV>*Gamewide 15th to 60*</DIV> <DIV>*Gamewide 5th to 70*</DIV> <DIV>Permafrost</DIV><p>Message Edited by Nody on <span class=date_text>05-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:58 PM</span>

[HailinKOP]

I don't play a Shadowknight. But if I did and this is true (Would need more tests.) I would be [Removed for Content]. I am monk and I am a little choked even seeing this. The bruiser I expected but Illusionist /sigh. I know it is 10 dps but man I will never take them for granted again. Con at the top isn't a shock but with LU 24 I would like to see this test done over  and see if they are still sitting as high. I also expected wizzies to be higher. Anyways enough all over the place. Sk's should at least be above a guardian. Depends though are you fabled are you using masters? You really need to see a few more parsers is all. heh. Never know what kinda tips you could pick up. <div></div>

[Xanoth]

im certainly supprised to see an illusionist parse so high, i have a 68 illusionist (used to be my main before KoS, so i raided a lot with him during DoF) and their single target DPS isn't great.  a lot like a SK in order to push the damage you have to stop using your utility, so thats a factor for both classes.i'd definatly like to know what the fight was...<div></div>

[Lord Montague]

<DIV>I honestly think there's too many variables to take into account, or things may be taken out of context.  There is just so much that can happen that can skew the numbers one way or another.  This is why I don't parse - playing the game on that level is just not fun to me.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lord Montague on <span class=date_text>05-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:48 PM</span>

[No]

<DIV>Well beside the group setups which I honestly don't recall, and knowing that KoS and EQ2 atm are still DPS games ... nothing like EQ1 in other words. and having both my STR and INT maxed including also having my crit chances AA at maxed.   Alright setups were maybe not perfect but still it's depressing to do so low dps when ya trying to proove that a SK is worth in a raid ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ritsar Nody Dream'Breaker lvl 70 SK Fires Of Heaven</DIV> <DIV>*Gamewide 15th to 60*</DIV> <DIV>*Gamewide 5th to 70*</DIV> <DIV>Permafrost</DIV><p>Message Edited by Nody on <span class=date_text>05-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:57 PM</span>

[Whitemane]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lyc Merged</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Conjuror 1458.25</DIV> <DIV>Assasin 1307.52</DIV> <DIV>Swash   1130.31</DIV> <DIV>Ranger1 1121.12</DIV> <DIV>Wizard 1074.01</DIV> <DIV>Briguand 958.43</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Bruiser 875.87</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Illusionist 808.68</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Monk 791.74</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Dirge 759.36</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Guardian 754.40</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Berserker1 726.65</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Ranger2 716.11</DIV> <DIV>Conjuror2 697.21</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Berserker2 676.24</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Shadowknight 615.62</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cccc00>Palladin 590.79</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Troubador 509.81</DIV> <DIV>Warden 376.42</DIV> <DIV>...</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Humm Sorta odd as I know in our Raid Parses our SK Hits over 1k DPS quite commonly that Parse just seems a bit low to me.</P> <P> I do agree you SK's need something though as the way resists work pretty much means you wont be MT even on mobs you should be as they're usually Immune which is a nasty catch 22.</P> <P>Not sure what if anything they will do though as I havent yet met a SK yet that has any issues Tanking normal instances at all (Mostly as they are fairly rarish so they tend to be dedicated ;p) So what to do that doesnt break something else. Something at the higher end needs to be tweeked. </P> <P>gemma(s) 70 templar Exalted </P> <P> </P>

[Wabit]

<DIV>nvm missed the ly merged part</DIV><p>Message Edited by Wabit on <span class=date_text>05-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:36 PM</span>

[Beldin_]

Ok .. if you look at the difference between Conji 1 and 2 .. and Ranger 1 and 2 you know how much the Group setup makes .. or just the player skill .. or equipment/spelllevel ... or whatever .. one SK here is near to one ranger an conji .. so another SK would have maybe near the other ranger and conji <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rylight]

<DIV>find it hard to believe the guardian outdid the sk, but once agian there are so many factors</DIV>

[Ep]

Pretty sure the guard would be the MT and have all the reactives and such to do dps, otherwise those are some seriously lazy zerkers =p. I know about class balance and everything, but never in any situation should or could a guard beat a zerker in dps.In regards to dps, i find SK's match or best me when i am dps and not MT<div></div>

[Beldin_]

If you believe all posts .. sometimes ago someone in the ranger forum postet about a guardian that did over 800 dps just with bow autoattack .. lol

[Wabit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Beldin_ wrote:<BR> If you believe all posts .. sometimes ago someone in the ranger forum postet about a guardian that did over 800 dps just with bow autoattack .. lol<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>musta been a 2 sec fight =P

[Terron]

<blockquote><hr>Wabit wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Beldin_ wrote: <div></div>If you believe all posts .. sometimes ago someone in the ranger forum postet about a guardian that did over 800 dps just with bow autoattack .. lol <hr> </blockquote>musta been a 2 sec fight =P<hr></blockquote> Perhaps 3 sec if he had several procs on the attack and they all went off (imbued bow, master's rage, illusionist buff, etc.)  <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>