Shadowknight VS Zerker on the parser

[Bardrick]

I keep hearing how the zerker is the tank king. Good at everything. Over the weekend, My SK is 28 and the zerker is 29.  We were taking on even con heroics ^^.... The wizard in the group had a parser and would paste the results after battles.  We took turns tanking.  This is what I learned. The more mobs we pulled, the better my DPS was from my AOE attacks. The zerker had better DPS when we pulled single mobs. Neither of us could pull agro from the other as long as the off tank was not taunting. Neither of us could hold agro when the wizard or assasin would unload. I needed a bit healing from the inquisiter as long as I used my lifetap spell. I used power faster then the zerker in every case. In the end, we seems to have about the same DPS. If I lost agro, I could use rescue to get it back in a snap.  Also using all three single taunts, I could normally get a single mob back. If I lost mass agro, the healer was done for.  I could not get it back.  The zerker could get group agro much better then I was. So all in all, we tank about the same. axcept for the group agro loss. Does this seem about right??? Just my opinion. Would love to your opinion. P.S. notice this is not a flame..... <div></div>

[Xanoth]

zerkers dont get there super AE abilities till in their 50's. its their ancient teaching spells that make them do a lot of AE damage.even you will be missing 3 AEs at that level... the fun has yet to get started <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />you got a lot to lookforward to thats for sure.<div></div>

[Rylight]

actually that seems pretty accurate all in all

[Louro]

<P>My main is a level 56 Zerker and what you have described here does seem fairly accurate based on what I have experienced from what I refer to as “trial and error”. I have heard mention of this “parser” methodology from my guild leader but I am not that type of player, i.e. I experiment with my abilities in given situations, note the results, and make necessary adjustments. This is not a slam to those who like to crunch numbers or really get into finite details; it just isn’t my play style and getting too incredibly detailed tends to take the fun out of it for me. </P> <P>I have not grouped with SK’s very often and I didn’t get a really good AE taunt until about lvl 54 (I could be off one level plus or minus on that); “Insolent Gibe” I believe it’s called. However, you have to be careful using this AE because you could end up getting a little too many uninvited guests. </P> <P>From practical application, I know if the group I am in contains one or two pet classes and a bruiser/monk, that I am going to have to be very proactive on my taunts. Generally, I will cook off my multiple and single target taunts right away before I even land a single blow. I have discovered if I do not do this then I have a heck of a time getting aggro off the Conjurer or Necro if they attack too soon. In most cases, it will take me one or two more taunts before aggro is returned to me. </P> <P>I have to admit, I have heard the same things as you; namely, zerkers are good at keeping aggo. In fact, I have read from other experienced players of zerkers you will eventually not need your taunts because of the sheer number of blows you can land on your targets (one person suggested to keep taunt arts “off to the side” as back up). Personally, I have not noticed this as many higher level mobs need to be continuously taunted to keep the hate build up on you and not casters, especially if you have a wizzy/warlock in the group. </P> <P>Sorry to go on about this but to give an example of what you already concluded. I had asked for assistance from my guild to taking down Emperor Fyrst (spelling?) in DFC. The raid leader was a pally (a former SK who did betrayal quest) who was also my guild leader. I did strictly “back up” tankage. I did not taunt at all and when it came time to take out the big man himself, the leader turned it over to me indicating he was have trouble keeping aggro on him. Now, a few of my abilities do generate hate but not in huge amounts, so this should give you an idea of just how much a Berserker can berserk.</P> <P>Message Edited by Lourous on <SPAN class=date_text>05-31-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:32 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Lourous on <span class=date_text>05-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:33 AM</span>

[Bardrick]

<blockquote><hr>Lourous wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>My main is a level 56 Zerker and what you have described here does seem fairly accurate based on what I have experienced from what I refer to as “trial and error”. I have heard mention of this “parser” methodology from my guild leader but I am not that type of player, i.e. I experiment with my abilities in given situations, note the results, and make necessary adjustments. This is not a slam to those who like to crunch numbers or really get into finite details; it just isn’t my play style and getting too incredibly detailed tends to take the fun out of it for me. </p> <p>I have not grouped with SK’s very often and I didn’t get a really good AE taunt until about lvl 54 (I could be off one level plus or minus on that); “Insolent Gibe” I believe it’s called. However, you have to be careful using this AE because you could end up getting a little too many uninvited guests. </p> <p>From practical application, I know if the group I am in contains one or two pet classes and a bruiser/monk, that I am going to have to be very proactive on my taunts. Generally, I will cook off my multiple and single target taunts right away before I even land a single blow. I have discovered if I do not do this then I have a heck of a time getting aggro off the Conjurer or Necro if they attack too soon. In most cases, it will take me one or two more taunts before aggro is returned to me. </p> <p>I have to admit, I have heard the same things as you; namely, zerkers are good at keeping aggo. In fact, I have read from other experienced players of zerkers you will eventually not need your taunts because of the sheer number of blows you can land on your targets (one person suggested to keep taunt arts “off to the side” as back up). Personally, I have not noticed this as many higher level mobs need to be continuously taunted to keep the hate build up on you and not casters, especially if you have a wizzy/warlock in the group. </p> <p>Sorry to go on about this but to give an example of what you already concluded. I had asked for assistance from my guild to taking down Emperor Fyrst (spelling?) in DFC. The raid leader was a pally (a former SK who did betrayal quest) who was also my guild leader. I did strictly “back up” tankage. I did not taunt at all and when it came time to take out the big man himself, the leader turned it over to me indicating he was have trouble keeping aggro on him. Now, a few of my abilities do generate hate but not in huge amounts, so this should give you an idea of just how much a Berserker can berserk.</p> <p>Message Edited by Lourous on <span class="date_text">05-31-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:32 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Lourous on <span class="date_text">05-31-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:33 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Thank you for your post.  So you conclude same as I do.  If your not taunting like a mad man, the DPS class will get agro.  AND when a warrior pet gets agro from it's taunts, it seems impossible to get it back.  Thank you.<div></div>