Nazo
09-01-2005, 11:55 AM
<DIV> <DIV>This is part of a discussion from Guardian Forums.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Moorgard 1st post</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>The mitigation percentage you see is based on a no-arrow solo opponent of your level; your mitigation against another kind of opponent can vary significantly. That's why it's beneficial for a tank to add mitigation even if your display indicates you're at the cap. While you may be at cap against a white-con no-arrow opponent, you're not capped against a yellow-con ^^^ heroic. <STRONG><U><FONT color=#ffff00>For wont of a better term, mitigation is mitigated by both the target's level and tier.</FONT></U></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>Avoidance, on the other hand, is based on level alone.</FONT></STRONG></U> If you have 70% avoidance, it's 70% against an opponent of your level. That doesn't change based on the tier of your opponent; you avoid about the same against a no-arrow opponent as you do against a ^^^. (Special mobs, such as named and epics, have innate to-hit bonuses given to them, but even in that case higher avoidance still provides an advantage.)</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>All of which goes to show what a convoluted discussion this can be. <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif" width=16 border=0> Again, the point I really wanted to make is that displayed numbers don't tell the whole story; gameplay does. But results can vary greatly based on opponent, situation, gear, spells, and skill.</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moorgard 2nd Post</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>After reading my prior post again, though, I think I stated the details poorly. You don't lose mitigation itself as a mob increases in tier; if your mitigation is 50%, you will mitigate 50% of the damage of a white-con mob whether it has two down arrows or three up arrows. Since the three-up arrow is hitting harder, you end up taking more damage. But actually the same holds true for avoidance (you'll get hit harder by the three-up mob when it does hit you), so I didn't mean to imply that avoidance had some advantage that mitigation didn't.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>erm was that an accidental slip of something that you shouldn't tell us ? There was no stating of details poorly or anything. If fact your first post was crystal clear and second post an unsuccessful attempt at a roundabout.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><U><STRONG>This means Plate Tanks will be loosing any mitigation advantage they have compared to Brawlers against raid mobs whereas Brawlers will keep their Avoidance advantage all the way from solo mobs to raid mobs.</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><STRONG><U><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT></U></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00>I think all Plate Fighter classes will be extremely interested to hear your clarification about this matter because it is a huge piece of information that you have given us in your first post. This will mean our armor will suddenly develop huge holes in it when fighting a Raid mob where as Avoidance tanks will keep all their benefits from their extra avoidance.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><STRONG><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><FONT color=#ffff00>Note : I fully understand the desire to make all Fighter classes happy but it shouldnt be at the cost of crippling the remaining 4/6 of the Fighters. If software is forcing you to use hidden gimmicks like this at one point it will eventually topple and we will end up like Monk Tanking Farce in EQ or Scout Invulnerability that happened before in EQ2.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV> <P>I will this info in other Plate Tank class forums as well because I think this is something huge.</P></DIV></DIV>