Concentration vs Revised SK Spells

[MirageKnight]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><U>Concentration</U> </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Currently:</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unholy Aura (1) </DIV> <DIV>Unholy Strength (1)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Malevoelent Circle (3) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Insatiable Hunger (0)</DIV> <DIV>Calcurated Evastion (0)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>After combat change :</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Unholy Aura (1) </DIV> <DIV>Unholy Strength (1)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Malevoelent Circle (3) </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Plagued Sword (3)</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Insatiable Hunger <FONT color=#ff0000>(1)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Calcurated Evastion (0)</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Cursed Caress (1)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As you see, more spells use concentration; kinda feels this making some spells will even not used at all because of limitation.</DIV> <DIV>As example, can't use "stance line" + strength + self proc buff + grp buff anymore.</DIV> <DIV>Or Unholy Aura might not worth the cast over Insatiable Hunger because grp benefit than only self.</DIV> <DIV>It might give more selection for SK depends on situation? maybe, but for similarity of the effects of SK buff, probably making some spells worthless than adding more diversity.</DIV> <DIV>What other SK thinks?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><U>Cursed Caress:</U></FONT></DIV> <DIV>I would like to point about this spell...</DIV> <DIV>If SK is tanking and used cursed caress for its hate increase and damage shield = SK flooded by essense, sounds pretty stupid too.</DIV> <DIV>In another word, if you are not tanking, u can't make essence. Welcome SK to newbie zone sitting there for making essense.</DIV> <DIV>Feel like summon essense part better kept target cast than passive.... leaving damage shield and hate incrase part to some other SK spell.</DIV></DIV>

[Dogm]

<DIV>At first look I did not like these changes either. But after playing around with them on beta , I really enjoyed them. Now it is not a matter of using defensive/offensive and every other buff possible, but we must change our buffs and adapt based on the situation. I found that unholy str was useless to use unless the extra HPs where needed because of an AE, or when tanking caster mobs. And the rate that cursed caress procs essenses is very nice also, it does not proc an essense on every hit, I would guess about a 10% chance to proc (the DS and taunt do proc on each hit though).   Here are some examples of how I used the buffs on beta that I posted on another thread, I will cut and paste here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>As far as stances go:</P> <P>I used a few different set ups.</P> <P>Tanking groups of multiple mobs and mobs that mainly melee : Malevolent Circle, Cursed Caress, unholy aura</P> <P>Tanking Mobs that cast a lot  : Malevolent Circle, Unholy aura,  and either insatiable hunger or unholy strength (depending on size of nukes)</P> <P>DPSing : Plague sword, unholy aura, insatiable hunger.</P> <P>Would also swap around insatiable hunger with unholy str if the mob used AE's or if there wasnt many melee in the group.</P> <P>There are a lot of different combos we can use depending on the situation, if you are not getting hit much with melee you wont want cursed caress up . If you pull a group of 10 mobs you will definately want cursed caress up. I found myself changing buffs between fights depending on what the next pull looked like.  Basically there wont be a best Tanking setup or a DPS setup, it will be more situational. And unless you're taking a lot of spell damage unholy strength seems worse to me then some of the other choices. Just having more HPs wont make a better tank, especially when that buff slot can add some to your utility instead,</P></DIV>

[Hark]

<P>Dogmae hit it right on the head from what i've experienced to <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P> <P>If actually get down to the numbers though the buffs don't matter as much outside of defensive stance.  From a DPS point of view they all are nice.  A single ^^^ with caress up will give you more hate, essence (even though this is by far np), and do like 500-600 in DS.  Say you replace it with unholy str, it has to proc 3 or so times and it does the same dmg but heals you.  You see where this is going, it's all very situational and how you feel what should be up.</P> <P>I personaly like Aura up whenever I tank in a group because every extra bit of hps helps.  Solo it's a tossup on what i'm fighting, solo mobs i'll throw up str and aura, str and carress, str and hunger, haha  it's all based on what you will be fighting and who you are with.</P>

[PhozFa]

I'm on beta and i love the new variety we have and situational buffs. On live you always use the same buffs, that gets boring. These con slot changes are gonna be bad for SKs out there who don't know thier class well and i expect some of the "oh this class gets a horsie" SKs to quit, which i like. <div></div>

[Rylight]

hmmm, make poser sk's quit huh, I do like the sound of that. They are the ones giving me a bad name.

[megatra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MirageKnight wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><U>Concentration</U> </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Currently:</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unholy Aura (1) </DIV> <DIV>Unholy Strength (1)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Malevoelent Circle (3) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Insatiable Hunger (0)</DIV> <DIV>Calcurated Evastion (0)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>After combat change :</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Unholy Aura (1) </DIV> <DIV>Unholy Strength (1)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Malevoelent Circle (3) </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff6600>Plagued Sword (3)</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Insatiable Hunger <FONT color=#ff0000>(1)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Calcurated Evastion (0)</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Cursed Caress (1)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As you see, more spells use concentration; kinda feels this making some spells will even not used at all because of limitation.</DIV> <DIV>As example, can't use "stance line" + strength + self proc buff + grp buff anymore.</DIV> <DIV>Or Unholy Aura might not worth the cast over Insatiable Hunger because grp benefit than only self.</DIV> <DIV>It might give more selection for SK depends on situation? maybe, but for similarity of the effects of SK buff, probably making some spells worthless than adding more diversity.</DIV> <DIV>What other SK thinks?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><U>Cursed Caress:</U></FONT></DIV> <DIV>I would like to point about this spell...</DIV> <DIV>If SK is tanking and used cursed caress for its hate increase and damage shield = SK flooded by essense, sounds pretty stupid too.</DIV> <DIV>In another word, if you are not tanking, u can't make essence. Welcome SK to newbie zone sitting there for making essense.</DIV> <DIV>Feel like summon essense part better kept target cast than passive.... leaving damage shield and hate incrase part to some other SK spell.</DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think they did fine with this:</P> <P>Offense: Plague Sword, Unholy Strength, Insatiable Hunger</P> <P>Defense: Malevolent Circle, Cursed Caress, Insatiable Hunger</P> <P><BR>of course you can mix these up depending on what you prefer but those are the combos I like.</P>

[Vak Mallek]

/agreed  Playing on beta I can certainly appreciate the new changes they have put forth.  The mix up of wards is nice.  The variety is fun to play around with.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  <div></div>