First thing's i saw about New combat on test

[Giral]

<DIV><IMG alt=Reply src="http://eq2.i.lithium.com/i/skins/default/button_reply.gif" border=0> Reply <IMG height=1 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=1 border=0><BR>Re: Feedback on changes<A target=_blank><STRONG><FONT color=#d3cec4>Options</FONT></STRONG></A>  <IMG alt=Options src="http://eq2.i.lithium.com/i/skins/default/button_options.gif" border=0> <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=153284" target=_blank><SPAN>Ceruline</SPAN></A><BR><SPAN>Master<BR>Posts: 233<BR>Registered: 02-01-2005 </SPAN><BR><IMG height=8 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=150 border=0><BR><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=153284" target=_blank></A><BR> <P><SPAN>Reply <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=24#M24" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>11</FONT></A> of 24 </SPAN><BR><IMG height=6 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=1><BR><SPAN>Viewed 2524 times<BR></SPAN><IMG alt="1 rating - 5.0 average" src="http://eq2.i.lithium.com/i/skins/default/icon_rating_5.gif" border=0></P><IMG height=1 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=1 border=0><BR> <DIV>46 SK...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Interesting so far... Dramatic, dramatic reduction in damage... Perhaps too much so.  Major power management issues - if I am using abilities to do damage, I'm out of power EXTREMELY quickly.  On the other hand, if I confine myself to a very narrow subset of abilities, and turtle up, I'm able to be extremely effective - took out Fire Toad (level 43 ^^^ under new system) solo, albeit in a 20 minute epic fight.  I feel like Paladins have been - what damage they get through my defenses, I can heal through various means of lifetapping relatively efficiently.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The offensive stance is still useless - just doesn't boost damage output signficiantly.  Will try to parse later.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Big issues are power usage and need for the offensive stance to be good enough to make SKs worth having if they aren't in the MT role.</DIV> <P></P> <DIV>Pondscum<BR>Level 4x Froglok Shadowknight<BR><BR>Fhir Rhuen<BR>Test Server</DIV></DIV> <DIV> <IMG alt=Reply src="http://eq2.i.lithium.com/i/skins/default/button_reply.gif" border=0> Reply <IMG height=1 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=1 border=0><BR>Re: Feedback on changes<A target=_blank><STRONG><FONT color=#d3cec4>Options</FONT></STRONG></A>  <IMG alt=Options src="http://eq2.i.lithium.com/i/skins/default/button_options.gif" border=0> <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=153284" target=_blank><SPAN>Ceruline</SPAN></A><BR><SPAN>Master<BR>Posts: 233<BR>Registered: 02-01-2005 </SPAN><BR><IMG height=8 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=150 border=0><BR><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=153284" target=_blank></A><BR> <P><SPAN>Reply <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=25#M25" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>12</FONT></A> of 24 </SPAN><BR><IMG height=6 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=1><BR><SPAN>Viewed 2452 times<BR></SPAN><IMG alt="1 rating - 5.0 average" src="http://eq2.i.lithium.com/i/skins/default/icon_rating_5.gif" border=0></P><IMG height=1 alt="" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/p.gif" width=1 border=0><BR> <DIV>Also just realized that my taunt is significantly less effective than it used to be (And is now a taunt over time)  this could be extremely problematic, but haven't had to use it yet within a group.</DIV> <P></P> <DIV>Pondscum<BR>Level 4x Froglok Shadowknight<BR><BR>Fhir Rhuen<BR>Test Server</DIV></DIV> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>So yes are Damage reduction has been seriously reduced "are only saving grace lol dps tank ;  ("</P> <P>are power consumption is even worse unless we turtle up whatever that means lol assume means sit back take a bite of pizza a drink and then hit a attack button sit eat pizza take drink hit attack button</P> <P>life tapping seams to be in good shape so far if he can solo a    ^ ^ ^</P> <P>and taunt less effective ; ( thats not good especially if he hasn't been in a group yet   and mobs are already getting away from him HAhahahaha [Removed for Content]</P> <P>Thank you Ceruline for Crusading for us SK's keep workin tryin to get are damage back up a little bit AND if you see any other SK's in game please have ask them to post up in the test forums so we can get diffrent views on diffrent levels of play</P> <P> and lastly i really hope they look into fixing are power consumption IF are Dps has been lowered are power consumption should have been equally lowered not Raised ; ( there is no reason to go over the top and make us ridiculously weak and ridiculously under powered so we just sit there  and life tap, ward , auto attack = boring </P> <P>Thanks again and please anybody else who see's threads in test that pertain to SK's please post a link or copy paste</P> <P>Later</P> <P>Message Edited by Giralus on <SPAN class=date_text>08-04-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:40 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Giralus on <span class=date_text>08-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:41 PM</span>

[JRav]

<P>I also read that post. We will just have to wait for the rest of the changes (I'm pretty sure the complete fighter and priest changes are not on test at this time, fine-tuning I guess) so there is much to look foward to in my opinion. Basically we will be more so a tanking class than we ever were, and as soe intended it.  The Taunt over time idea seems REALLY promising in my opinion. I have a feeling our taunting ability will go up overall, contrary to what that tester said about 1 of our taunts. </P> <P>We also know that each fighter subclass will have increased mitigation against a certain resistance. Hopefully a tester can provide a list (I'm guessing ours will be even more disease or poison mitigation). So far things look pretty good to me though. I'm pretty sure I speak for the entire SK community that additional information and specifics on the changes so far (looks at monk forum) would be VERY MUCH appreciated <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Stormka]

"As part of their defensive stance, each subclass of Fighter now receives extra mitigation against a specific type of damage. <DIV>"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have to say I took this as meaning slash/crush/pierce ?</DIV>

[MadTexan]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stormkahn wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have to say I took this as meaning slash/crush/pierce ? <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would read that the same way, since mitigation applies to the damage types you mention and resistances apply to damages such as poison, fire, etc.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[vwlsskng]

By the sound of it, it's a wash. If we were able to kill an NPC in five minutes due to our DPS capabilities and are now able to kill the same NPC in ten minutes but able to heal ourselves more efficiently, how is this progress? It's simply the other side of the same coin. That's pathetic.

[Murchik]

If it stays that way, it's not a wash,because now you get exp once in 10 min not in 5 so it will take you twice as long to level.  They just trying to keep people playing longer that way (if this is how the hcanges are going to be). Lame, very lame.

[Xiziz]

O my god , This is typical EQ 1 logic Lets take a class that we seriously F'up in development and make it even worse. Ill wait til Revamp , I hold no promise for this game seems they are shooting to reduce all the classes back into EQ1 . Luckily they are releasing the revamp before expansion. If the game becomes no longer fun . there are 3 other MMO that hold Promise being released over next year. we can always play single players till the next big one hits

[Ceruline]

<DIV>That one really long fight was a ^^^ named, mind.   I wasn't killing him to level.   Damage is perhaps not quite as bad as I made it seem up there, but it's definitely a falloff from before.  The power usage is actually a big problem in my solo dpsing - I can spam CAs and Spells and knock out a solo white decently quickly, but that's my entire power bar there.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I actually need to reevaluate my thoughts on the offensive stance.  It's definitely not doing nearly as much for our dps as I would hope, but the extra weapon skill (Actually pretty significant when you look at the weapon skill differential between the offensive and the defensive stance)  actually made a big difference taking on the arena champion.  Halfway through, I realized that he was hitting me every swing anyway, so that extra def wasn't doing much.  Switching to offensive, I started hitting him more often, and between increased lifetap procs and as many casts of our reactive lifetap as I could get away with (A reactive lifetap is replacing our ward by the way) my health started creeping back upwards.  The weird thing was that going into offensive in that situation actually improved my defense, but I think that may be due to the way the Champion works.  He hardly ever misses anyway, so I was able to give up the def buff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm going to start a seperate post and give what info I can remember about specific spell line changes.</DIV>

[Diern]

<P>Overall pretty much what I always suspected would happen. DPS nerf was inevitable. I am relieved that they decided to actually give us respectable lifetaps. Good idea changing the ward to a reactive lifetap also. makes more sense as a Shadowknight.</P> <P>I remain extremely worried about our power consumption and taunt issues.</P> <P>We are the shadowknight our very existance should make creatures hate and want too kill us. We should have the best instant agro generation of the game to make up for our "lesser" defence in relation to the Paladin or Guardian. </P> <P>Im concernd about this taunt over time nonsence also. The whole Idea of taunt if to get attention of the creatures you are fighting IMMEDIATELY or as soon as possible. What good is it when the creatures finally turn to you at the end of the fight because your taunt overtime has finally built up enough to raise you on the hate list?</P> <P> </P>

[bonesbro]

They changed the con system.  What is currently a ^^ mob on live can be a ^^^ mob on test.  A normal dungeon ^^ mob will probably be a ^^^ all the time now.   ^^^ no longer means epic. <div></div>

[vwlsskng]

<DIV>I just hope we can still solo the nameds we used to be able to.</DIV>

[Giral]

<DIV>Nice to know that you also Read and post in the Sk forums  Ceruline ,and thanks for takin the time to clarify a little more on your post . I understand that the new combat changes Especially the Off/Def Stances must take a while to get use to and having all your skills turned around and concentraton slots used as  very important feature must be alot to try and take in . </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do you know if they are giong to give us more than 5 concentration slots to fill , I Have been browsing thru alot of the Test sever forums and this seems to be a Huge issue with every class !</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also can you give us any specifics on attack / spells that might be of interest we know there isnt suppose to be recast timers or reduced timers so Graven Embrace ? is there no longer a 1/2 hour recast ? etc.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>seen any other Sk's runnin around test ??? have you spoken to any of them have you drawn any conclusions have you /bug SOE about anything (Hopefully power consumption "I beg Of YoU") </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and anything about Capping that that they are doing to us ? i see alot of talk about this caps at that and if you have this item equiped with this buff then your already capped out so ?? i don't know much about capping i understand the concept is pretty lame to me it sounds like a Soe enforced [Removed for Content] on all classes lol so we cant be all we can be But i dont know the scoop so any info you can parley would be cool </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and anything else of interest we might need to know OR want to know especially the good stuff </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Keep up the good work Ceruline </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Giralus /bows royaly  </DIV> <DIV>/cheers </DIV> <DIV>/sets up a round of Sk Home brews for all </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I NOTICED AFTER POSTING HEAR CERULINE HAS CREATED A ONGOING THREAD UPDATE ON sk FORUMS ; ) </DIV> <DIV>THIS THREAD WILL BE CLOSING SOON ;   ) DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Giralus on <span class=date_text>08-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:53 PM</span>