SK revamp

[Xiziz]

<DIV>First off this is not a whine  or a complaint. No flames please</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ive played SK up to 47 currently and it is a great solo class. But from what i can tell it seems to fall apart as a MT class past 40th lvl. Ive just started raiding and the only reason im ever taken along is for my shadowy Evasion . Most comptent leaders in 2x epics wont even use SK as adds tank. Simply put we cannot hold aggro. Sk was from what ive read, was to be a step down from guardian. Unfortunately past single group encounters we arent even on par with a monk and in some instance Groups will take a monk with high avoidance over SK. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Please dont take me wrong i enjoyed the class up until this point and maybe in earlier lvls may have been a bit over powered. Its sad to see at Epic content we are ending up to be the dork kid with a nice car. People bascially bring you along for your ride. I am seriously hoping that the revamp will adress the issues of putting us back in role as a MT. Seems the tank class that was marketed as a DPS class, the Zerker, Is getting more action as MT for the Tower shield plain and simple. At high lvls we are not getting any clear direction. our Debuffs are a joke and life taps well, enough said. It seems we do a bunch of things badly and i am hoping to see the class take a clear direction at high end content. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This post was not meant to offend or [Removed for Content] my fellow SK's off it is observation of how our class is falling apart at high end content and hopefully it will be noticed. until then ill be keeping the faith for SK</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[vwlsskng]

Well, there's Despoiling Mist, at 50. It has been said that classes will be made more "unique," so we can only hope at this point.

[Dijital]

<P>If ppl would stop comparing our class to others then there would be no need for posts like this. I have no problem tanking as a lvl 47 sk, and as for getting worse at 40 i thought the opposite, we became alot better.<BR><BR>I play with a lvl 49(soon to be 50 woot) Warlock n they are an aggro holders worst nightmare and its rare i lose aggro to him, only on group mobs i have some difficulty. i have no adept 3's and no master 1's. As for epics, we arent gonna be the MT cos guardians are hardcore, id be happy about that more than anything and theres no reason why an SK cant offtank at least, maybe find a guild that can see that ure class its worthy. <BR><BR>Im never gonna aim to mt a raid cos there are guardians around that can do it better. Although if im ever asked to i wont hesitate. But we really do shine at tanking in groups of 6, I think we are as good as if not better than any other class.</P> <P>With my SK ive tanked BoF, menagerie and Group arena in SP on v difficult, meaning Banetooth was 57^^ with a group of 5.  All of these things ppl say we just cant do. That  should restore a little faith for you.<BR><BR></P><p>Message Edited by Dijitalis on <span class=date_text>08-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:59 AM</span>

[PhozFa]

<div></div><div></div><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=news_announcements&message.id=144#M144">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=news_announcements&message.id=144#M144</a>need for SK changes aren't anything new if you stay in touch on the forums. In the latest news (follow link) the combat changes will be live with the first expansion(9-12). which we all seen it comming. kinda wierd how the pushbacks fall so close to the release of the DOF. either way Liveupdate 13 will be the patch for combat changes and i hope atleast  they go in test servers with LU13b which is supposed to be on test 8-4. as stated here... <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=23221#M23221">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=23221#M23221</a>Get ready re tune your abilities.BTW SKs with toons on test please post any SK releated chages on the forums. I'm sure i speak for more than me when i say i'm anxious to know how these changes will affect us.~<font face="Century"><b><font color="#ff0000">Kymi</font></b></font> - 50 SK - "Avatars Of Might" - Mistmoore<div></div><p><span class="time_text">added....</span></p><p><span class="time_text"></span><a target="_blank" href="../view_profile?user.id=180843"><span>Dijitalis</span></a>  - you said find a guild that finds our class worthy. i dunno if you looked but there is very few raiding guilds that even accept apps for SK mains. reason why is what we can do someone else does better and they most likely have 1 or 2 which a guild wouldn't hurt at all only having 2 or so. We <b>can</b> give the tank AC.. bruisers do it better with more dps. We <b>can </b>off tank mobs. Yet zerkers are the agro kings and can pull a mob and gain agro so much better than a SK <span>:smileysad:</span>(hurts me to admit that).</p><p>We are able to tank alot of mobs in the game and thou i haven't some SKs on the boards tank high lvl epic mobs (i remember a post of someone posting his screenshots of tanking a contested). But the truth is even still we are #4 when it comes to tanks. people will choose gaurd/zerker/pally over you to tank just about every time unless there is another factor like the other tank steping down or your in fabled compared to a pally in fulg gear. Then you are stuck being DPS/debuffer/buffer.</p><p><span class="time_text"> </span></p><p>Message Edited by PhozFate on <span class=date_text>08-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:36 AM</span>

[Genag]

<DIV>Please do not post messages like this. SK is great class for raiding. Yes of course it is not a MT currently. But it is a class with wide variety of use on raids. I am playing SK in raiding guild so belive me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For example if you want to beat King Zalak on first try there is no better patriarch offtanking class for this purpose than SK is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bruisers and SK MT buffs differs. So sometimes SK is better sometimes brusier is better. It depends on situation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As raiding fguild we have another problems. We have too much Guardians. Yes they are great as main tank. But what to do with 6 guards?</DIV>

[PhozFa]

Great? In order to be considered a great raiding class we should be better than average. we do have more variety than most classes but still everything we do there is someone else better for that job but we can fill in some role if that class isn't around. coercer, trobs, temps, wardens, wiz/war (just to name some) are sought after for raids and those are the classes i'd call great raiding classes. but anyway we shouldn't be debating the role of an SK on a raid when there is a thread for that. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=9&message.id=6566&view=by_date_ascending&page=1 I wanna know in what situation would a bruiser be less effective as a mt buffer than a SK? i don't have the bruiser spell listing handy but as far as i know thier buffs are stronger. (correct me if i'm wrong please). ~Kymi-SK 50 ~Avatars Of Might~ -Mistmoore- <div></div>

[Xiziz]

Thanks for the good Feed back Phozphate i will check thoose threads. As for the guys whos feelings are heart about my post, which it is obvious. I am stating my opinion based on my own expierence. SK point blank , 90 percent of the SK's on my server have all said the same thing we do alot of things poorly. We need to see this class take a clear direction. currently we blow chunks past 2x epics . And if i am posting in the wrong thread im sure the devs will move it. sorry for the inconvience

[Genag]

<DIV><EM>i don't have the bruiser spell listing handy but as far as i know thier buffs are stronger.</EM> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>AFAIK they differs. SK buffs avoidance, mitigation, parry. Bruiser buffs slash, crush, pierce resistance. So which is usable you have to decide on type of mob you are currently fighting and on healing power (type and numbers of healers).</DIV>

[megatra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xiziz wrote:<BR> <DIV>First off this is not a whine  or a complaint. No flames please</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ive played SK up to 47 currently and it is a great solo class. But from what i can tell it seems to fall apart as a MT class past 40th lvl. Ive just started raiding and the only reason im ever taken along is for my shadowy Evasion . Most comptent leaders in 2x epics wont even use SK as adds tank. Simply put we cannot hold aggro. Sk was from what ive read, was to be a step down from guardian. Unfortunately past single group encounters we arent even on par with a monk and in some instance Groups will take a monk with high avoidance over SK. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Please dont take me wrong i enjoyed the class up until this point and maybe in earlier lvls may have been a bit over powered. Its sad to see at Epic content we are ending up to be the dork kid with a nice car. People bascially bring you along for your ride. I am seriously hoping that the revamp will adress the issues of putting us back in role as a MT. Seems the tank class that was marketed as a DPS class, the Zerker, Is getting more action as MT for the Tower shield plain and simple. At high lvls we are not getting any clear direction. our Debuffs are a joke and life taps well, enough said. It seems we do a bunch of things badly and i am hoping to see the class take a clear direction at high end content. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This post was not meant to offend or [Removed for Content] my fellow SK's off it is observation of how our class is falling apart at high end content and hopefully it will be noticed. until then ill be keeping the faith for SK</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I might as well create a response to this in notepad and save for copy/paste later because there are way too many of these posts. <BR><BR>No we are not MT's so don't ever expect it. We are offensive like a Zerker. The reason that your guild leader may not be bringing you to raids is because you are only level 47. Not trying to be a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] but you don't get Despoiling Mist till 50. As for offtanking goes, we can do that. I offtank patriarchs on every Zalak raid we do.. and that is just about every night. I am also called upon to main assist. No big deal here because anyone can main assist. Also alot of this relies on the player behind the toon. I am not chosen to offtank because of my class, I'm chosen to offtank because I am good at pulling the patriarchs before they reach the main raid force. And I am chosen to MA because I am quick on changing targets and am very careful about not mistargetting the wrong mobs.</P> <P>As far as holding aggro goes, at 50 we can hold single target aggro even better than a Guardian. Group aggro is a different story. But you have to realize to become wanted in raids you must realize what your role is. If you keep trying to be an MT and show up on raids with your cedar kite shield and screaming mace.. you aren't going to be picked over a pally or monk. If you realize what the SK strength is, and that is DPS, and focus primarily on that you will show yourself as a much valuable asset to your guild, and not just an evacer.</P> <DIV>Hope this helps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by megatraum on <span class=date_text>08-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:06 AM</span>

[furydruid]

Just a clarification of what Bruiser skill you guys are talking about.  It's Shrug Off, which we can pop on the main tank.  It provides no additional visible stat bonuses to the MT (well, except for a minor agility buff).  What it does is provide the Bruiser a 40% chance to block attacks for the MT.  The Bruiser doesn't need to be in front of the mob, or even in melee range...they will just automatically block attacks here and there for the MT.  A lot of times I'm in the MT group, but a lot of times they'll take a Paladin or SK instead, so it all depends.  I'm aware that you're AC buff actually takes AC away from the SK though ... and for that I sympathize :/  Bring on the revamp! <div></div>

[Elymri]

<P>well i dont reply much to whats being said on this forum but i have to put some things right</P> <P>yes we suck at being a main tank at raids .. but the same goes for paladins, bruisers and monks</P> <P>we do however have 1 great asset (atleast til the revamp) our dps as it is currently one of the highest ingame</P> <P>and next to doing dps we also have</P> <P>a good ac debuff</P> <P>a decent amount of hitpoints to soak up a few waves of ae damage</P> <P>the ability to tank adds</P> <P>i dont know what you people who say that we cant hold aggro do when tanking but i sure can keep a mob on me that is ofcource if the other people in raid wach their aggro just like they have to do when a guardian is tanking</P> <P> </P> <P>ow almoast forgot .. we get to fd people that get on our nerves .. or just because their inkies</P>