The level 40 Tainted Soul.

[Gigglet]

<DIV>Let me start off by saying I love my class and pretty much every part of it.  When I got 40 I was over joyed to note I would be getting and upgrade to my Tainted Soul.  So I buy the upgrade and await my next mob so see what it will look like.  What I expected it to be was something more evil looking than what I got.  See my picture below, then ask youlself this one question.  Does this look like something an evil Shadowknight should have?  Or did they mess up and think I'm a pally with a pretty dove to aid me?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.thekenderspouch.com/albums/Everquest-II-Screenshots/taintedsoul.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now mind you I love this spell and use it often.  I am in no way saying to change anything but the look of what is summoned.  I mean come on, does that bird look at all evil to you?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileyindifferent:</DIV>

[Bootstwadd]

<P>That's a perty pigeon you got there.</P> <P>And since pigeon's are disease factories...all dirty and gross and stuff...I can understand why they would be the Evil Knight's most trusted companion.</P> <P>Maybe the dev behind our pets spent too much time in the crapper and staring out the window...Why else would we get a ball of poo and a pigeon?</P>

[Gigglet]

<P>Lol and ewwwww!</P> <P>:smileytongue:</P>

[Wildgo]

<DIV>hahahahaha think you hit the nail on the head with that statement.</DIV>

[Leatherface77]

I will say Im not happy with the bird I am overjoyed that it is not a skellie. I hated having the same pet as a necro in eq1. <p>Message Edited by Leatherface77 on <span class=date_text>07-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:50 AM</span>

[MadTexan]

It would make more sense for it to look like the Tainted Souls (puddles of goo) in Stormhold, would it not?

[vwlsskng]

This has been lamented for quite some time. And you're right, it wasn't very well-thought out. What amuses me to no conceivable end is how the blob and the bird both have the same English-accented voice.

[Margen]

<P>I kind of disappointed in the graphics, but have to admit I like the voice over.  Has a kind of creepy sound to it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>V/R</P> <P>Blackoath 40th Troll Shadow Knight</P>

[Zoradan]

<P>The Voice is cool, the stuff he spouts off is fun.</P> <P>But at the end of the day:</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IT'S A DAM CHICKEN!</DIV>

[Margen]

<P>But its YOUR chicken <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , and if worse comes to worse .... You don't have to look for dinner LOL.</P> <P>Blackoath 40th Troll Shadow Knight</P>

[Gigglet]

Seeing as it's a ghost chicken, I don't think it would fill me up much. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[joeygopher]

<DIV>they're meant to have voices?  i've only got the [Removed for Content] but haven't heard a peep out of it :smileyindifferent:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>still, can't wait for the "our kez"!!</DIV>

[vwlsskng]

<DIV>They are meant to have voices. And they say a few sentences, one of which is, "You have such pretty eyes." The voice isn't bad, but it doesn't sound as though it would be coming from either a discarnate blob of goo or a spectral bird. The bird screeches when it attacks, just as a skeleton cackles, so to hear a screech, then a voice, with an English accent, say, "You have such pretty eyes," just isn't realistic. As with so many other things, little thought went into the design.</DIV>

[MadTexan]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vwlssknght wrote:<BR> <DIV>They are meant to have voices. And they say a few sentences, one of which is, "You have such pretty eyes." The voice isn't bad, but it doesn't sound as though it would be coming from either a discarnate blob of goo or a spectral bird. The bird screeches when it attacks, just as a skeleton cackles, so to hear a screech, then a voice, with an English accent, say, "You have such pretty eyes," just isn't realistic. As with so many other things, little thought went into the design. <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So they used the generic bird screech for the attack and the generic skeleton voices for the spoken text then.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[vwlsskng]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MadTexan wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vwlssknght wrote:<BR> <DIV>They are meant to have voices. And they say a few sentences, one of which is, "You have such pretty eyes." The voice isn't bad, but it doesn't sound as though it would be coming from either a discarnate blob of goo or a spectral bird. The bird screeches when it attacks, just as a skeleton cackles, so to hear a screech, then a voice, with an English accent, say, "You have such pretty eyes," just isn't realistic. As with so many other things, little thought went into the design. <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So they used the generic bird screech for the attack and the generic skeleton voices for the spoken text then.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why does everything have to be generic? That's exactly my point.

[MadTexan]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> vwlssknght wrote:<BR>Why does everything have to be generic? That's exactly my point.<BR> <HR> <P>I agree, and since they have been adding more and more voices over time I'm hoping they'll fix these.</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Dro]

<P>just wanted to let all know that I made a post about our pets on the graphics forum here</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=13353&jump=true" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=13353&jump=true</A></P> <P>be interested in seeing some more feedback.</P>

[Gigglet]

Mind if I head on over there and post my pic of our silly bird??

[Rashaak]

<P>Well, I like my puddle of goop! :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Even though its not sinister, its funny. I call mine Kenny...</P> <P>Anyways...I do understand from roleplay aspect, our little pets should be a little more sinister, and evil looking. I could see it work this way though. Have it more like the Conjurer/Necro upgrades -- (I'll only do the first tainted soul, if yall like the idea, put upgrades to what we could see as a pet)</P> <P>Tainted Sacrament (LvL 26) - App 1, 2, 3 (Puddle of Goop)</P> <P>Tainted Sacrament (LvL 26) - App 4 (Ghostly War Dog)</P> <P>Tainted Sacrament (LvL 26) - Adept 1 (Ghostly War Dog [Larger Version] maybe with some type of erie flames) </P> <P>Tainted Sacrament (LvL 26) - Adept 3 (Spirit of a Succubus or Nightblood type creature) scaled down of course</P> <P>Tainted Sacrament (LvL 26) - Master 1 (Some type of "Planar" creature -- Maybe something that looks like a Dragonfly Faerie)</P> <P> </P> <P>Just an idea, and I think thats how it works for the Conjurer/Necro type classes for their spell upgrades -- could be totally off though....</P>

[Margen]

<P>I like the idea of different pet looks at different skill levels (except for the fairy, sorry that seems SOOO WRONG hehe).  But I am sure the coding for something like that would be a complete nightmare.</P> <P>V/R</P> <P>Blackoath</P>

[Rashaak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Margen wrote:<BR> <P>I like the idea of different pet looks at different skill levels (except for the fairy, sorry that seems SOOO WRONG hehe).  But I am sure the coding for something like that would be a complete nightmare.</P> <P>V/R</P> <P>Blackoath</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>rofl</P> <P>Some how I knew someone would get hung up on the faerie thing.  I didn't say though, that it would be a faierie, but some type of planar/winged beast for the Master spell. I don't think the coding would be to much of a nightmare either, they already have the base for it for the Conjurer/Necro class....check it out.</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=37927" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=37927</A></P>

[Xakkoriz]

I think the level 40 pet should be a grim reaper looking thing much like the Dementors or whatever off harry potter like someone mentioned before. If not that then like a rotting wolf, zombie, or something of that sort. If they are going to use the bird atleast make it a black crow with like red eyes that would be okay. <div></div>

[yzyh]

I am a paladin and I would be really [Removed for Content] of if I would  have this spell. So I can feel what you Sk think about it.

[Alexander Dhar]

I would like it if the art for the summoned creature was a bit more representative of the creatures whose souls we have been capturing.  I know SOE probably can't track exactly what creatures we have used our Caress on but they could generate a pool of likely creatures based on our level ranges.  So at lvl26 I'm unlikely to have killed an Artic Behemoth, but I will probably have killed a Gul'Thexian Mystic and god knows how many Orcs, Motley Kodiaks, Vulrichs and the list could go on.  Even if SOE just went with a few creatures and gave us ghostly version of them it would be better than getting the big ball of goo every time. The summoned soul would be random in the same way that our squires gender and racial characteristics are, but the higher the version of the spell the more likely the summoned soul is going to be from the impressive looking end of the possible choices.  I'm not suggesting the power of the summoned creature will be different  based on its look, it'll still just be a summoned soul at the end of the day just different  window dressing every time its cast. Of course they are unlikely to do this due to the extra artwork required, and the everpresent moaning of other classes when it looks like a class is getting something good. <div></div>

[vwlsskng]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alexander Dharke wrote:<BR>I would like it if the art for the summoned creature was a bit more representative of the creatures whose souls we have been capturing.  I know SOE probably can't track exactly what creatures we have used our Caress on but they could generate a pool of likely creatures based on our level ranges.  So at lvl26 I'm unlikely to have killed an Artic Behemoth, but I will probably have killed a Gul'Thexian Mystic and god knows how many Orcs, Motley Kodiaks, Vulrichs and the list could go on.  Even if SOE just went with a few creatures and gave us ghostly version of them it would be better than getting the big ball of goo every time.<BR>The summoned soul would be random in the same way that our squires gender and racial characteristics are, but the higher the version of the spell the more likely the summoned soul is going to be from the impressive looking end of the possible choices.  I'm not suggesting the power of the summoned creature will be different  based on its look, it'll still just be a summoned soul at the end of the day just different  window dressing every time its cast. <BR><BR>Of course they are unlikely to do this due to the extra artwork required, and the everpresent moaning of other classes when it looks like a class is getting something good.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What no one mentioned is the fact that Summon Squire summons one of a few different models. They could do the same thing with the pet spell. How difficult could the code be if it's already implemented elsewhere for something identical? Still, who thought that a Shadow Knight should summon a bird? <p>Message Edited by vwlssknght on <span class=date_text>07-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:29 AM</span>

[Gigglet]

<P>Have a nice update from the Desert Of Flames beta! Now that the NDA is lifted I can post what our level 40 Tainted Soul looks like as of 8-23-05.</P> <P><IMG src="http://www.thekenderspouch.com/albums/Everquest-II-Screenshots/lvl40ts.jpg"></P> <P>Least it's not a bugger or a bird. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Vak Mallek]

WOOT!  Awesome.  I'm stoked. <div></div>

[Margen]

<P>I would of perefered something besides a skelly  personnely (Seems kind of unimagnitive), but your right it is A LOT better then the chicken.  Thank you for the information.</P> <P>V/R</P> <P>Blackoath</P>

[Sine]

sweet.  remember the game is gonna scale real high later wiht expansions.  So don't expect a planar pet now.  maybe at 100 or 150. <div></div>

[Dogm]

Would have been nice if the pet changed forms with different levels of the spell. My master I pet looks the exact same as the adept I in your pic. <DIV> Oh another thing about the pet. Since our pet is a limited pet (meaning we cant order it around) , we can not name him like summoners can with their "real" pets. We can however name our squire.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dogmae on <span class=date_text>08-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:54 AM</span>

[Pheeb]

What disturbs me is your horse... As an SK myself I will never purchase a "parade" one... --Enoph <div></div>

[Gigglet]

<P>Geez let's be picky here..... I don't feel the need to justify myself to you on something as silly as my horse. Just because I'm evil does not mean I have to have a horse that looks like it just trounced through the mud. </P> <P><img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>So you got anything usefull to add or just felt like being a troll?</P>

[vwlsskng]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sineri wrote:<BR>sweet.  remember the game is gonna scale real high later wiht expansions.  So don't expect a planar pet now.  maybe at 100 or 150.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>LoL! It's going to be a very, very long time before the level cap is raised to 100-150, if ever.

[Shadowles]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gigglet wrote:<BR> <P>Have a nice update from the Desert Of Flames beta! Now that the NDA is lifted I can post what our level 40 Tainted Soul looks like as of 8-23-05.</P> <P><IMG src="http://www.thekenderspouch.com/albums/Everquest-II-Screenshots/lvl40ts.jpg"></P> <P>Least it's not a bugger or a bird. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>This is great news on the new pet look, much better than blob and bird, although i wish our pets/dots would change look as you upgrade the spell as i saw mentioned in this discussion, i mean the stronger the spell, id assume our pets would take a different form, would be nice to see that be considered by SOE during our pet graphic revamp, would make us SK's jump for joy.  I however am glad that SOE is listening to us about or class concerns and addressing them.</DIV>

[vTenebr]

I guess I'm the only person who liked the super chicken <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> How disappointing that it's a skeleton, though.  Are you telling me SoE couldn't have used ANYTHING else?  Why not a ghost bat? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Oh.. and don't pick on parade horses.  I'm a lady as well as a knight and I look positively sporting on my parade rujarkian clydesdale on the opulent gold blouse & skirt or my shiny armor! (will post pics shortly) <div></div>

[PhozFa]

whats wrong with a parade horse? shouldn't a knight be proud and have prestige? <div></div>

[vTenebr]

Come on.. you can't top the hotness... <img src="http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9364/nampony16wk.jpg"> <img src="http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/202/nampony27yk.jpg"> <div></div>

[MadTexan]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> vTenebrae wrote: <P>Come on.. you can't top the hotness...</P> <HR> <P>Aye, were I born Ratonga you would be at the top of my list of women to woo. :smileywink:</P> <P>Did anyone else notice that the poor monkey being abused by Yasmeen's cursed soul pet? Now <STRONG><EM>there's</EM></STRONG> evil for you. :smileytongue:</P> <P>EDIT NOTE: My eyes are not what they used to be and though it was Jasmeen and not Yasmeen. My apologies, Lady Yasmeen. /bows</P></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by MadTexan on <span class=date_text>08-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:26 PM</span>

[Gigglet]

<P>vTenebrae you are so yummy looking, Yasmeen is having thoughts of eating you up! (note Yasmeen is in fact a kerra) *drools*</P> <P><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>As far as the monkey goes, well he flung some poo at me. There for I was forced to kill him on the gounds of not only a being cute creature but the whole poo thing. Blood on my armor I will bathe in all day, but poo is quite another matter.  I hope to some day aquire the Monkey Killing title (I'm sure there is no such thing).</P> <P>:smileywink:</P>

[Gigglet]

<P>Her name is kind of an odd spelling, so no worries Mad. In fact, my hubbie spelt her name wrong the other day to.  You can believe I didn't let him live that down!</P> <P><img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[PontyEar]

<P>Pet has a VOICE OVER??????? :smileysurprised: My bird has NEVER said anything and I am using it EVERY DAY. WEEEEEIRD! My bird probably went deaf from all my battle screams lol. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Concerning Shadowknight mounts. - As I mentioned in other forum, pets should be profession oriented. We shadownknights dwell in the "darker" realm of the world than paladins for example, that's why so much of our spells are based on desease. Well it may not explain that though.. lol <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Anyway, in my opinion classes in EQ2 are a little bit "out of line". Our mount supposed to be some "nightmare" horse or something, or some of the beast that NAZGUL rode from Lord of The Rings... <BR>Otherwise if you like riding PARADE horse being a Shadowknight, why are you actually A shadowknight, not a paladin or templar? Unless you don't really care about any meaning of role of Shadowknight. I never would pick up a parade horse, it's just seems dumb riding a horse so carefully treated for showing off being a warrior who "commands dark minions"?. Maybe you also prefer WHITE parade horse? Then I can tell you that you've picked a wrong class to play. Shadowknight's mount first of all supposed to be DARK at least if not black AND mustang kind, not some sweet groomed with it's tail in circle horse ready to ride along the streets of white city of Qeynos.</P> <P>I think you forgot who you Shadowknights serve - Lucan D'Lere if you forgot is a dark lord.</P> <P>On the other hand, it's your business what to pick, you can actually ride even a sheep, with groomed hair in a form of horns. Unfortunately there is no rideable sheep in game... lol <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I wish EQ2 had "appropriately" looking mounts based on an orientation of different classes. Otherwise, it's kinda lame that we can control "spirits" of opponents we slain, but we can't even have appropriately looking mount. We have to go and buy imported from Qeynos horses... :smileytongue:</P>

[vTenebr]

So.. because I'm evil, I cannot like beautiful things? I pillage, steal, and murder for my own gain.  I PREFER to showcase my wealth, thank you very much.  I'm sorry my bejeweled and bedecked mount isn't to YOUR liking, but I like to live lavishly.  Elegant and flashy does NOT = "good". :p You can keep the squallor, I'm a knight who prefers all the finer things in life.  It's even better when they're gained at other's expense. <div></div>

[Pheeb]

<span><blockquote><hr>Gigglet wrote:<p>Geez let's be picky here..... I don't feel the need to justify myself to you on something as silly as my horse. Just because I'm evil does not mean I have to have a horse that looks like it just trounced through the mud. </p> <p><img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>So you got anything usefull to add or just felt like being a troll?</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>You are not just <u>evil</u> - you're supposed to be a <b>shadow</b>knight - if you like <i>pally</i> horses, that's your choice - am entitled to my own opinion and that's how I see things...I'm not a troll, am a barbarian...and yes I'm evil... My SK horse looks fine - a lot more evil that the pally parade horses for sure - yes I hope to get a better one at some point... You expressed your opinion about the bird - I express mine about the parade mounts...at least the Unholy horse looks better but I don't have 60pp... --Enoph</span><div></div>

[vTenebr]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Gigglet wrote:<p>Geez let's be picky here..... I don't feel the need to justify myself to you on something as silly as my horse. Just because I'm evil does not mean I have to have a horse that looks like it just trounced through the mud. </p><p><img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>So you got anything usefull to add or just felt like being a troll?</p><hr></blockquote>You are not just <u>evil</u> - you're supposed to be a <b>shadow</b>knight - if you like <i>pally</i> horses, that's your choice - am entitled to my own opinion and that's how I see things...I'm not a troll, am a barbarian...and yes I'm evil...My SK horse looks fine - a lot more evil that the pally parade horses for sure - yes I hope to get a better one at some point...You expressed your opinion about the bird - I express mine about the parade mounts...at least the Unholy horse looks better but I don't have 60pp...--Enoph</span><hr></blockquote>Yes, I am evil.. and you fail to explain how something flashy and elegant isn't evil.  The paladins were given a flashy mount, but that doesn't make the trappings specific to Paladins.  Good gods!As I said, I prefer to live richly and show off my flair.  You can choose to do whatever you wish.  The world works that way.  You can choose the slums and the filth, that's your decision.  I choose not to.*smirk*Frankly, I had a choice.. a plain clydesdale or a plain charger (a light cream colour >.&lt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  I said, I've swindled my way into a bit of cash.. I'll get the horse with the gems flashing.  Let the poor people drool and feel envy. If they actually had a black horse with firey reins, I would definately prefer that.  However, I'll take this bedecked steed that runs like the wind.I am a <b>knight.  </b><span>I</span>f I wanted to be a brutish cad, clumsily swinging a sword and grunting, as I stood like a brick in front of a monster.. I'd have chosen a different path.  I prefer to think I have knightly graces.  Evil doesn't mean boorish and crass, to me.   If it does to you, so be it.  However..</span><span>Don't dare say that my choice to look elegant means I am less "evil" than you.</span><span>That's a very foolish mistake.*flashes a wicked grin*</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by vTenebrae on <span class=date_text>08-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:11 AM</span>

[MadTexan]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PontyEar wrote:<BR> <P>Otherwise if you like riding PARADE horse being a Shadowknight, why are you actually A shadowknight, not a paladin or templar? Unless you don't really care about any meaning of role of Shadowknight. I never would pick up a parade horse, it's just seems dumb riding a horse so carefully treated for showing off being a warrior who "commands dark minions"?. Maybe you also prefer WHITE parade horse? Then I can tell you that you've picked a wrong class to play. Shadowknight's mount first of all supposed to be DARK at least if not black AND mustang kind, not some sweet groomed with it's tail in circle horse ready to ride along the streets of white city of Qeynos.</P> <HR> <P>That is one point of view, but there are others that are just as valid. The dark horse, bloody armor approach is fine for those who are <STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ff0000>obvious</FONT></EM></STRONG> in their evil, but there are also those who are just as evil, and just as bloodthirsty, who prefer to be <STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ff0000>subtle</FONT></EM></STRONG> (right up until the point that they unleash their hate on their foes).</P> <P>Seriously, have you never read a fantasy novel in which the most evil character was the most refined, fastidious, cultured and articulate, as well as being the best dressed? If not, I can provide a nice long list of those fitting that profile, starting with good old Dracula himself.<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Arillonahia]

<DIV>We serve that ape Lucan? I hope you jest, I serve the Father of Hate and am a Sword of the priests of his church, Bah!!! </DIV>

[Zenthiel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arillonahia wrote:<BR> <DIV>We serve that ape Lucan? I hope you jest, I serve the Father of Hate and am a Sword of the priests of his church, Bah!!! </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>*Looks around for the "father of hate"*  Hmmm... haven't seen that fella for a while now.  Why we ever opened the gates for all these homeless races I'll never know.  Should have just let the Rallosians batter their corpses against the mighty walls of Freeport.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. I'm just kidding btw... we would never let the walls of Freepot be so desecrated. :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*Edited for Spelling*</DIV><p>Message Edited by Zenthiel on <span class=date_text>08-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:30 PM</span>

[DUNN]

<P>I serve no one :smileymad:</P> <P> </P> <DIV>The spirits have chosen my path i decide how I take it.</DIV>

[PontyEar]

Some of you talk like Paladins. Especially that mouse who likes flashy things. There is no point to prove you anything, it's just a role of class. I am a barbarian, so I don't really care about flashy things. Yes they are nice. I would be glad to have flashy vanguard full set and white shiny horse.... if I was a Paladin. But I am not. Yes it is a matter of opinion, but it's also a matter of treating a class in a wrong way. Which some of you do. But yet again nobody can force you do it otherwise, so, have fun ... Shadowknights on a flashy horses.. lol <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I've never seen a mouse Shadowknight before either, so, it's not a surprise that classes are getting treated wrong... Anyway, all this talk about flashy horses and shiny armors, it's the same as if Paladins would argue over having a mount as a "nightmare horse" and a pet as a skeleton. hey why not. We are paladins who help others, and we are knights, so we are so good and stuff, why can't we have a mount that we like? And pet that will satisfy our "taste"... *roll eyes* But yet again is a matter of taste and race. There is so many mixes that there can't be an ideal match. Mice ride horses and command "dark minions", but they still prefer something nice and shiny, cause they are so good at stealing things from others.. lol <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sorry for sarcasm <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[vTenebr]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>So because I speak intelligently and I prefer opulance, that makes me a paladin?  So only good races can be well bred, intelligent, and elegant?  Are you mad? A paladin is a silly knight who wants to take care of others, heal the wounded, help the destitute and coddle those who are downtrodden.  That is the antithesis of what I wish for and the mere idea I find nauseating.  I'm a Knight that calls forth the dead to do as I please.  I lie, I steal, and I murder without regret and without care.  I'd sooner cut your throat than give you a dime to feed your family.  That you'd think I speak like a Paladin because I don't sound like a grunting sewer dweller is laughable. I'm sorry but just because you think that KNIGHTS are supposed to live in slums, trek through mud, and have no manners.. that doesn't mean all of us should or do.  It's quite ridiculous that you think that because you CHOOSE to define evil as filth and refuse, those of us who do not, obviously aren't evil.  Who said that I prefer the "shiny". There's a vast difference between preferring opulance and liking bright and shiny. I'm sorry, but many many evil characters have lavish lifestyles.  That's why they CHOOSE to be evil, so they can revel in the sin of luxury, greed, and lust without having to apologize for it or live simply and give to the "less fortunate".  I couldn't care less about the needy, they're needy through their own laziness and stupidity.  You can live in the sewers and be "more evil than thou".  I'll be in my palace, surrounded by servants, slaves, and a cadre of males kissing my feet.. and when one bores me, I'll kill him. But.. you can go ahead and feel "more evil" in your hovel surrounded by dirty things. *pats your head* All RP aside, who the hell are you to tell people that they place the class "wrong".  What makes you the bloody expert who can define the proper way to play an SK?  Perhaps YOU find playing an SK to be a squallid filth monger in the sewers groveling before some unseen lord and doing as he wishes.. SOME of us prefer to think we're refined, cunning, and intelligent killers using our dark magics to control, manipulate, and sway the dead and it's minions to do our bidding. I'm not going to be an [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and tell the former they're wrong for playing a Knight that way.. so get off your self righteous bull[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and stop telling us we're "wrong" for deciding we're not sewer sucking semi-tanks who play patsy to some hidden overlord. <div></div><p><span class="time_text"> </span></p><p>Message Edited by vTenebrae on <span class=date_text>08-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:03 PM</span>

[Nitefl]

<DIV>Evil and good are most subjective terms =P</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One can argue that (from an SK's perspective) that a Paladin is evil..but anyway..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To the person who said fancy/nice-looking = Good...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>...I think SOE brainwashed you. It's bad enough that Freeport (the 'evil' side) lives in poverty stricken slums, but evil things can still want to look 'good'. I rather shiny, expensive armor and gear (although, I'd like a darker color) even though I would consider myself 'evil'. Just because I don't kiss Marr's [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] doesn't mean I want to look like a poor, dirty warrior.</DIV>

[vTenebr]

<div></div>Just a thought and some perspective.. Satan (incarnate) is usually portrayed as a glutton surrounded by treasures, gems, and rich beautiful things.   So, Satan must be a Paladin. Jesus lived among the refuse, was a homeless wanderer, and generally eschewed all riches.  Guess he was evil. Logic > you. <div></div><p>Message Edited by vTenebrae on <span class=date_text>08-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:17 PM</span>

[Arillonahia]

<P>Though it pains me to admit it, I'm siding with the rat *grin* (She seems rather vicious despite her opulance!). I could go into a lengthy discourse on 'evil' and 'good' being subjective, but I think this is a direct quote from Tialneques Fyr, Knight of Innoruuk...</P> <P>"There is as much honour in defeating ones foe in combat than aiding some mewling peasant filth clear his fields of creatures who have as much right to be there as he. To hell with the lot of 'em."</P> <P>Sums it up for me anyway</P>

[Ne]

<DIV>I would love to see it as a half-transparent whitish wraith or ghost that look really sinister! The classical half-transparent flying skeletal torso with ripped rags and half a hood would do perfectly, especially with some oozing trailing effect that makes it look non-solid.</DIV>

[DUNN]

Rat likes shinny things. Shows a weaknes. This cat knows how to take care of her; Shows up in all his shinny gear and says "Here look in the mirror isn't it pretty", as he takes her soul.  Now she will do my bidding as the spirits have told me. MWUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gaedan]

The rat wins, imo.  True evil is ambitious and cunning, using tools like murder, deceit, deception and fear to get what they want.  Evil is selfish and covetous.  Evil can be dirty and defiled, but it can also be bright and surrounded with the spoils of one's victories.  Go watch James Bond - how many of those super villians are dirt poor? Now that being said, yes, Shadowknights are drawn to the darker side of things.  Many style themselves as parodies or inverted images of Paladins.  That being said, a black horse, a nightmare, a skeletal steed, none of these need look 'poor', either.  Look at pictures of the epic skeletal horse (or the Felsteed for that matter) from WOW - they are decadent, yet diabloical.  It'd be great to have 'evil' looking expensive horses, if not skeletal, horses with dark barding and firey manes, just as it is to have a showy, expensive prize horse who is driven to perform for his master.  Any good knight, after all, wants a good steed under them. Anyway, yeah, there are different ways to look at it, but desiring money, baubles and flashy displays of power and wealth is hardly reserved for the goody two shoes. <div></div>

[PhozFa]

Every race view evil in a diffrent way, an elven race would have more prestige and pridein thier murders.Ogre/Troll who could care less about thier apprearcance but still thrive thier evil into thier battles. <div></div>

[vTenebr]

<span><blockquote><hr>DUNN wrote:Rat likes shinny things. Shows a weaknes. This cat knows how to take care of her; Shows up in all his shinny gear and says "Here look in the mirror isn't it pretty", as he takes her soul.  Now she will do my bidding as the spirits have told me. MWUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<hr></blockquote>*pretends to be enrapt with the shiny items and allows herself to be spirited away* *waits for "master" to fall asleep* *cuts master's throat* *giggles and steals "master's" treasures*</span><div></div>

[Gaedan]

<span><blockquote><hr>PhozFate wrote:Every race view evil in a diffrent way, an elven race would have more prestige and pridein thier murders.Ogre/Troll who could care less about thier apprearcance but still thrive thier evil into thier battles. <div></div><hr></blockquote> Naaaaah.  I just get the job the done.  I don't begrudge anyone their ostentatious desires, but I'll about doing whatever it takes to complete my mission.  No pride or prestige in this elf, just the desire to see the job done. That being said, see how many different means there are to express evilness?</span><div></div>

[Nitefl]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaedan wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PhozFate wrote:<BR>Every race view evil in a diffrent way, an elven race would have more prestige and pridein thier murders.Ogre/Troll who could care less about thier apprearcance but still thrive thier evil into thier battles. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Naaaaah.  I just get the job the done.  I don't begrudge anyone their ostentatious desires, but I'll about doing whatever it takes to complete my mission.  No pride or prestige in this elf, just the desire to see the job done.<BR><BR><EM>That being said, see how many different means there are to express evilness?<BR></EM></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Tell that to Freeport's designers =( I don't want to live in the slums.</DIV>

[Zenthiel]

I think the whole "parade horses are for paladins" thing is kind of silly.  Then again I think parade horses are kind of silly in general.  A Dark Knight shouldn't be riding on a dirty mangy old horse, or a brightly colored parade horse.  They should be on a dark warhorse.  Warhorses are clean, dont have their manes and tails all done up in bows, and are very big.  They're carrying a lot of steel around, not to mention the physical manifestation of evil, some pretty "My Little Pony" horse would collapse during a long battle under such weight.  So basically, ditch parade horses, ditch dirty old "bessy", and give us a real warhorse (which in the dark ages were more expensive than a pretty parade horse btw).

[vTenebr]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Zenthiel wrote:I think the whole "parade horses are for paladins" thing is kind of silly.  Then again I think parade horses are kind of silly in general.  A Dark Knight shouldn't be riding on a dirty mangy old horse, or a brightly colored parade horse.  They should be on a dark warhorse.  Warhorses are clean, dont have their manes and tails all done up in bows, and are very big.  They're carrying a lot of steel around, not to mention the physical manifestation of evil, some pretty "My Little Pony" horse would collapse during a long battle under such weight.  So basically, ditch parade horses, ditch dirty old "bessy", and give us a real warhorse (which in the dark ages were more expensive than a pretty parade horse btw).<hr></blockquote>That's why I bought a sturdy clydesdale as opposed to the prissy "charger" my defiler husband uses. Healers.. so frail. *throws hands into the air* I do bemoan the superchicken's passing.  Not because I felt it was "evil" enough or that it was at all evil.  I'm disappointed because we get a boring skeleton back.  I had hoped for a bit more creativity.  Give me a slavering bat, a spectre, something that would strike fear into the hearts of mine enemies (which is pretty much everyone).  Don't give me back a giggling skeleton. I want something wicked and horrifying.. not an anatomy model. *sigh*</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by vTenebrae on <span class=date_text>08-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:15 PM</span>

[Gaedan]

I've heard mention and rumors about the level 26 and the level 54 pets having different models?  Perhaps the skeleton is just middle of the road?  I've heard a rumor that the level 26 pet is a zombie (braaaaaainnnnsss), and no clue what the high level pet is.  Hopefully something a bit upgraded from a skeleton, such as a wraith, or a ghostly player race? <div></div>

[PontyEar]

<DIV>If I was dev I would put some pet design generator that summons different pet depending on the type of a monster you are killing. That would make sense. And add more variety to it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, what's wrong with a SOE and variety? Everything lacks variety in EQ2. Do you think that SOE devs/designers lack of creativity or they simply holding it for a future expansions, which would be pretty lame imho and a sign of a lack of creativity again.</DIV>

[vwlsskng]

What is more evil than Vatican City? And look at how beautiful that is.

[PontyEar]

So what, now you wanna have as your pet the most evil person based on your words - a pope? <div></div>

[MadTexan]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Gaedan wrote:<BR>I've heard mention and rumors about the level 26 and the level 54 pets having different models?  Perhaps the skeleton is just middle of the road?  I've heard a rumor that the level 26 pet is a zombie (braaaaaainnnnsss), and no clue what the high level pet is.  <HR> <P>So basically we'll have necro pets? :smileyindifferent:</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[vTenebr]

<span><blockquote><hr>MadTexan wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <p></p>So basically we'll have necro pets? :smileyindifferent:</blockquote><div></div><hr></blockquote>Just like EQ1. And people wonder why I'd rather have the ghostchikken.  (2 k's so he seems more harcore)</span><div></div>

[MadTexan]

<DIV>There's NO way it can't be very simple to give us one of the ghost dogs from Nek Castle, for example. All it should take is a pointer to the model being changed. I don't want to be a necro, thank you very much.</DIV>