Me tanking King Drayek

[megatra]

<DIV>Just tanked him for the first time ever tonight after they buffed up health regen and attack speed! We CAN do it! I proved to my guild that we can, there were alot of doubters. Score 1 for the SK's!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only 1 death in the fight, on the only time I lost aggro... to a Warlock who seems to pull aggro 2 or 3 times a raid. Overall it went as well as it could have gone, even our main guardian loses aggro occassionally.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/kamachi81/pics/EQ2_000159.jpg"></DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/kamachi81/pics/EQ2_000160.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vincenzo Luvineri</DIV> <DIV>Level 50 Dark Elf Shadowknight of Crushbone</DIV><p>Message Edited by megatraum on <span class=date_text>05-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:26 PM</span>

[Pirotase]

<P>Five stars~~</P> <P> </P> <P>Mind post the equipment list and stats when u on raid?? </P> <P> </P> <P>Hehe ~~ really nice ~ and yes we can do it~ </P>

[Vak Mallek]

Sweet!  Good job, dude. <div></div>

[megatra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pirotase wrote:<BR> <P>Five stars~~</P> <P> </P> <P>Mind post the equipment list and stats when u on raid?? </P> <P> </P> <P>Hehe ~~ really nice ~ and yes we can do it~ </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I put on all my ebon armor, opted not to use GEBS and put on my heavy boots, wizzies were able to keep me from going out of power. Screaming mace and SBS in the hands. Nothing special at all. Insidious Whisper, Blasphemy, and Dreadful Wrath all at adept 3 and Plague Sword at Master 1-- these kept aggro. Don't remember all of my stats but my HP was around 6850 (interestingly enough I've been buffed to over 7000 HP's when I'm not even tanking) and my AGI was at 200. Our main guardian when tanking is typically buffed to around 8100 hp's, that is a huge difference. Goes to show you what your avoidance can do. The little guys can tank too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[jdnoy]

Good job on tanking him for the win, however just a couple of observations. Not trying to flame just some constructive crit. 1. While its true that we have the ability to tank a mob like this, it will always be more efficient for a Guardian, Zerker or even a Pally to do so. 2. Drayek imo is the easiest of the 50+ epic x 4 in the game. 3. Why would you use a weapon that has a negative aggro proc on it, especially one that can't even hit the 100% crush resistant Drayek (unless he's been changed in the last week or so). Like I said not trying to downplay your accomplishment, good work. I'd love to get the chance to do the same at some point, but I realize that my role on raids isnt tanking. Skagg 50 SK Highkeep <div></div>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<P>Grats! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Yeah, I do wondered how can you keep aggro with screaming mace if it can't hit Drayek due to crushing immunity?  Maybe taunt spell and other spells did the trick itself. You probably do better with slashing weapon such as bloodfire, etc. Again, I didn't want to downplay your accomplishment. Just wanted to make a suggestion to have yourself to do better than you did to make the job easier by using non-crushing 1h weapons..</P> <P>Jdnoyes.. I tanked many mobs with screaming mace without any problems, It's anti-taunt proc is very neglectible anyway. Only 5% chance for small hate reduction. No big deal if you have good adept3+ taunt spell to play with. Using screaming mace on Drayek is not effective at all that I agree.. </P>

[jdnoy]

Yeah I agree the neg aggro proc is neglegible, however as the MT especially in a 24 man raid stuation you have one job and that is to maintain aggro, forget about damage. Personally i'd never use a neg aggro proc weapon as a raid MT no matter how small the chance is that it could cuase you to loose aggro. Their are just simply too many other options available to a SK tank weapon wise. But yeah its especially noticable in this situation where the weapon cannot even hit the mob. If he used the mace to tank say King Zalak because that was the only crusher he had available to him then yeah I could understand as it'd work better than trying to use a slasher that couldnt hit him at all. But like I said before not trying to knock his accomplishment, just trying to use constructive crit. so that we can all better ourselves. Skagg 50 Shadowknight Highkeep <div></div>

[Uggli]

If you look in the guardian area, there was a thread about the Screaming Mace and how the aggro adjustment is to offset the positive adjustment of the first part.  Net effect is null aggro change from proc. <div></div>

[Sardunos]

You see...we can tank.      <div></div>

[Eberan]

<DIV>Yeah we can tank, however as someone above mentioned. Guardians still do better on most epic mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We use guardians for most of the tanking, however we use sks and pallies alot for offtanking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you want to tank as an SK you really have to play into your strenghts, these being your poison and disease resists.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The raid mobs I get picked over a guardian are:</DIV> <DIV>Arch Lich Ugdalan</DIV> <DIV>Venekor</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As well as a few minor mobs here and there, obviously Ive tanked a fair bit more than these (including King Drayek(both versions), Zalak , Cursed etc hell, Ive even done a Darathar attempt).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My main role on raids is normally leading them (Im the guild leader) so I try to stick with what my class is good at, which is boosting my groups dps as well as doing pretty nice dps myself.</DIV>

[far]

<DIV>Id like to chime in that yes we can tank Zalak/Drayek but until you are the regular tank dropping a few of the more impressive mobs (like darathar) im still not impressed. ( I have seen an sk tank venekor which i found to be more impressive) but perhaps that is just me.</DIV>

[Salastine]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> farbe wrote:<BR> <DIV>Id like to chime in that yes we can tank Zalak/Drayek but until you are the regular tank dropping a few of the more impressive mobs (like darathar) im still not impressed. ( I have seen an sk tank venekor which i found to be more impressive) but perhaps that is just me.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Read the post in this forum called "Hell has frozen over."  An SK MT has officially tanked Darathar from 100% to 0%, and every interval in between.</DIV>

[far]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salastine wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> farbe wrote:<BR> <DIV>Id like to chime in that yes we can tank Zalak/Drayek but until you are the regular tank dropping a few of the more impressive mobs (like darathar) im still not impressed. ( I have seen an sk tank venekor which i found to be more impressive) but perhaps that is just me.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Read the post in this forum called "Hell has frozen over."  An SK MT has officially tanked Darathar from 100% to 0%, and every interval in between.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That i am impressed with, (albeit more with the healing squad then the sk tank tho the sk also deserves alot of credit for convincing the healers it could be done), but coming in and saying that an SK has tanked X mob doesnt cover the inequities that exist in our class compared with the other plate tanks. Sheer will and determination make up for alot of what sony did not give us to bring to the raid table, but that will does not mean we still arent a red headed step child like a few other classes and professions in game.<BR>

[megatra]

<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>jdnoyes wrote:<BR>Good job on tanking him for the win, however just a couple of observations. Not trying to flame just some constructive crit.<BR><BR>1. While its true that we have the ability to tank a mob like this, it will always be more efficient for a Guardian, Zerker or even a Pally to do so.<BR></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>I know that is true. The reason I wanted to tank is simply because I wanted to. I requested to do it and they let me. Reason being we wipe Drayek like he is nothing every day and if nothing else, having an SK as the tank would be different and a challenge.</FONT></P> <P><BR>2. Drayek imo is the easiest of the 50+ epic x 4 in the game.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>Precisely why I asked to tank him. There aren't any more at the moment I'd even attempt to tank.</FONT></P> <P><BR>3. Why would you use a weapon that has a negative aggro proc on it, especially one that can't even hit the 100% crush resistant Drayek (unless he's been changed in the last week or so).</P> <P><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>If I didn't have the mace I would have run out of power halfway through the fight. Like I said I opted not to use my GEBS and put on my heavy armor for the extra mitigation, I had to get some extra power regen somehow. The negative aggro effect is miniscule compared to the hate of my taunts, and high damage attacks which are all adept 3. Drayek  is resistant to crushing but all I needed were my special attacks to land, which also cuts down on his ripostes. True I could have gone with a 1 handed slasher and my GEBS to fix the power regen issue, but I chose to pick mitigation.</FONT></P> <P><BR>Like I said not trying to downplay your accomplishment, good work. I'd love to get the chance to do the same at some point, but I realize that my role on raids isnt tanking.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>I know it's not tanking, it's DPS and support. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The point of my post was not an attempt to prove we are tanks but to show that we CAN do it if we have to.</FONT><BR><BR>Skagg<BR>50 SK Highkeep<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>

[megatra]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nocifer Deathblade wrote:<BR> <P>Grats! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Yeah, I do wondered how can you keep aggro with screaming mace if it can't hit Drayek due to crushing immunity?  Maybe taunt spell and other spells did the trick itself. You probably do better with slashing weapon such as bloodfire, etc. Again, I didn't want to downplay your accomplishment. Just wanted to make a suggestion to have yourself to do better than you did to make the job easier by using non-crushing 1h weapons..</P> <P>Jdnoyes.. I tanked many mobs with screaming mace without any problems, It's anti-taunt proc is very neglectible anyway. Only 5% chance for small hate reduction. No big deal if you have good adept3+ taunt spell to play with. Using screaming mace on Drayek is not effective at all that I agree.. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Regular attacks don't land but special attacks do. I only cared about landing my special attacks. My Dreadful Wrath adept3, Sickening Anger adept3, and Plague Sword Master 1 were more than enough to chain and keep aggro.

[Bron]

<span><blockquote><hr>Salastine wrote:<div> <blockquote> <hr> farbe wrote: <div>Id like to chime in that yes we can tank Zalak/Drayek but until you are the regular tank dropping a few of the more impressive mobs (like darathar) im still not impressed. ( I have seen an sk tank venekor which i found to be more impressive) but perhaps that is just me.</div> <hr> </blockquote>Read the post in this forum called "Hell has frozen over."  An SK MT has officially tanked Darathar from 100% to 0%, and every interval in between.</div><hr></blockquote> Well tanking the nerfed down Darathar really isn't all that hard, the original Darathar was a helluva lot more difficult.  That being said, you can tank pretty much anything if you are properly buffed and the mob is properly debuffed....still not as well as a Guardian per se, but it can be done.  I've tanked pretty much every raid mob in this game at this point, including Venekor, K'Dal, Dryaek, Vaz'Gok, Fist, Zalak, Lich, Overlord, Kra'Thux, Nagalik and all those Drakotas.  I haven't been back to Isle of Refuge in a while to try Darathar, but now that he's not as hard as he used to be, I'd wager I'd have a decent shot at tanking him too. We can tank, we just need to have good players supporting us to keep us alive.</span><div></div>