Good Bye all I'm tired of this...

[Crystal Arine]

<DIV>I'm sick and tired of reading the boards and all I see is complaints when I am hoping I'll read something positive. To tell you the truth though I don't blame any of you. My Sk is offically retired now now to move on to my Inquisitor that kicks %#&. So just wanted to say good bye to all my fellow Sk and I have never posted anything negative on this class and I can't hold it back anymore. Most of my skills are Adept 1-3 and its immpossible to do any worth while tanking. We officially suck.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When you really look at it we bring nothing to a group oh wait I forgot OMG OMG OMG we can summon a pet ooooooo. What are we a Necro this is just pathetic. Although I agree that the pet is our best DPS we get. Leave that to the nercos if I wanted to summon stuff and hang back and cast spells I would have been a Nerco or Conjurer. I'm completly tired of hoping our skills will get fixed when they only get nerfed. I just feel bad for all the people that choce the Sk class for the horse coz they just got themselves into a bad spot. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>LOL just compare us to a Zerk. Their DPS is much higher then ours, they are much better tanks due to their good taunts, higher health and different skills. Welcome to the truth everyone we know our class suxs and maybe some of you love it but the fact is that we compare to no class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know I'm just going to get flamed and everything but I want my point of veiw across. Everyone just quit complaining and reroll a guardian or something. Keep your Sk so if it does get fixed you can go back to it but by then you might be in love with Guardians. I don't know about any of you but from a healers prospective Guardians are the best tanks and easy to heal, Sks not so easy I have to resort to complete and focussed atenntion on healing and it doesn't always work out even with Adept 1 heals.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So there is my oppinion. Now let the training of the Inquisitor continue.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dazzler-]

<DIV>Couple things here....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Firstly... " WE " dont suck, there is a good handful of SK's out there that do though. Thanks for shelving your SK! Let the real SK's do the job.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Secondly .... The skills are getting fixed, albeit, not at blazing fast speed, lets say, unholy steed speed! But the point is, they are fixing what ails ya. *sidebar* Anyone who chose SK soley because of the horse is, shall I say, a dumb,*$%#&!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thirdly... We are not a DPS class, you want DPS, role up a paperthin warlock, blow up stuff and get pummeled into the dirt till your heart is contented.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>last but not least.....Really, im not trying to flame you with my post, merely pointing out a few things.  My observations of my class... I can tank *$%#&! well, I dont lose agro unless I fall asleep at the keyboard. Or I try to kill the overzealous Zerker in my group..../attack off, yawn, tell the healer *my GF*, let him/her eat dirt. Essentially people need to know thier role in a group, once these small details are worked out, your golden!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One last thing, Guardians are SUPPOSED to be the best tanks. That by no stretch of imagination means SKs cant tank or do it effectively, I could point out a few dozen SKs on these forums alone can hold thier own against Guardians.  Ofcourse, myself included!! :smileywink:  Obviously the SK wasnt for you to begin with, I suspect your one of the folks who picked it because " OH A HORSIE! "</DIV>

[comfortablynu]

<DIV>If you think a lvl 50 SK who can self buff his defense up to 266 can hold a *$%#&!ing candle to a guardian who can self buff up to 288, you're kidding yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You ever notice when you spend a couple levels in on dungeon, how much better you tank when you get a couple levels under your belt, even if you didnt get any new taunts or defensive skills? Thats because level is the most important factor in tanking. Why is level the most important factor in tanking? Because it increases your defense skill. At 288 defense, a guardian is effectively 4 levels higher than a SK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Case Closed</DIV><p>Message Edited by comfortablynumb on <span class=date_text>04-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:14 PM</span>

[pyroglyph]

<P>I love these threads.</P> <P>"Wah wah wah, I know I'm gonna get flamed, but wah wah wah anyways!"</P>

[cocoa_boy]

<P>Its ashame you're frustrated. Granted, this class has it's share of issues, but I have managed to work around them; and successfully I might add.</P> <P>Currently, at level 36, I'm enjoying amazing success in holding agro- I thank level 35 and the AoE taunt we receive. The only trouble I have with agro is the npc group bug (one mob in the group dies, and agro for that group is reset).</P> <P>Maybe this class just isn't for you. At least you found a class that you enjoy. No hard feelings, maybe some where down the road there will be adequate fixes for your liking, and you'll dust off your blade and spill blood in the name of Darkness once again.</P> <P>Shadow Knights allow for amazing versatility when grouping. </P> <P>Recently, I challenged my bud (and guild leader) to a friendly competition while tooling around in Nek Castle. I challenged him to swipe my agro...he managed to do it when I lagged out. He was very impressed and I changed his opinion in regards to our class.</P> <P>I have read similar testaments on these boards by fellow SK's. I follow the advice provided by fellow SK's, and it has improved my game play immensely.</P> <P> </P>

[Pheeb]

Being an SK rules - get ot know the known issues and work around them - that's all I have to say And I even liked my class better once I reached 40... <div></div>

[Baelzharon]

You're going to be sorely upset with Inquisitors too. First their reactives don't stack, so in a raid situation any more then say 1 or 2 Inqs and you're useless. Templars and Wardens get better direct heals, and laughably in some cases better nukes. Your only claim to fame was your ability to stifle which has become nerfed harder then our stupid horses were. Enjoy your grass is greener, and you'll be rerolling your Inq soon enough. <div></div>

[AsheM]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> comfortablynumb wrote:<BR> <DIV>If you think a lvl 50 SK who can self buff his defense up to 266 can hold a *$%#&!ing candle to a guardian who can self buff up to 288, you're kidding yourself.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Huh?  I'm a 50 guardian and I cannot self buff my defense to 288.  275 is high with adept 3's.  <BR>

[comfortablynu]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AsheMan wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> comfortablynumb wrote:<BR> <DIV>If you think a lvl 50 SK who can self buff his defense up to 266 can hold a *$%#&!ing candle to a guardian who can self buff up to 288, you're kidding yourself.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Huh?  I'm a 50 guardian and I cannot self buff my defense to 288.  275 is high with adept 3's.  <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Dunno what to tell you. The 50 Guardian in my guild self buffs up to 288.</DIV>

[Crystal Arine]

<DIV>You're going to be sorely upset with Inquisitors too. First their reactives don't stack, so in a raid situation any more then say 1 or 2 Inqs and you're useless. Templars and Wardens get better direct heals, and laughably in some cases better nukes. Your only claim to fame was your ability to stifle which has become nerfed harder then our stupid horses were. Enjoy your grass is greener, and you'll be rerolling your Inq soon enough.<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>Wow, ereryone in Sk class knows how to make me sad :smileysad:. Looks like Warden it is /sigh 26 hard grinded lvls any for nothing...</DIV> <DIV>I really like my inquisitor but when you state the facts really depresses me. I'm going to miss my Inquisitor.....</DIV> <DIV>Guess its time to go flame the iquis boards on how much we suck </DIV> <DIV>Looks like I will never hit level 50</DIV> <DIV><shrug> still sad:smileysad:</DIV>

[pyroglyph]

<P>Play whatever you want to play to have fun. Don't be worried if your class is "the best" at this or that. If you're having fun, what does it matter? </P> <P>Dumping a class because of a couple small problems is foolish. Every class has them, in relative abundance. Out of the frying pan and into the fire, so to speak. Any clown can string together a quick list of what's wrong with a class and make them sound devastatingly broken. Those that enjoy the class will tell you otherwise, and will be right.</P> <P>If you're having fun with a particular class, good for you. That's more than can be said for all the whiners and fools that post in this forum, yourself included. </P> <P>Fun and entertainment should be the reason you play this game. If not, maybe you ought to re-evaluate.</P> <P> </P>

[far]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crystal Arine wrote:<BR> <DIV>You're going to be sorely upset with Inquisitors too. First their reactives don't stack, so in a raid situation any more then say 1 or 2 Inqs and you're useless. Templars and Wardens get better direct heals, and laughably in some cases better nukes. Your only claim to fame was your ability to stifle which has become nerfed harder then our stupid horses were. Enjoy your grass is greener, and you'll be rerolling your Inq soon enough.<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>Wow, ereryone in Sk class knows how to make me sad :smileysad:. Looks like Warden it is /sigh 26 hard grinded lvls any for nothing...</DIV> <DIV>I really like my inquisitor but when you state the facts really depresses me. I'm going to miss my Inquisitor.....</DIV> <DIV>Guess its time to go flame the iquis boards on how much we suck</DIV> <DIV>Looks like I will never hit level 50</DIV> <DIV>still sad:smileysad:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV> <DIV>.7 more levels on my sk (almost 50 and not [Removed for Content] poor for gear but *$%#&! poor <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=216854207" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=216854207</A>  before I start work on my Ogre Templar (currently level 11)</DIV>

[The_Witchfind]

<div></div>I mjst say, it's tempting to join you, but not for the reasons you cite.  It's all about this: <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive.vm?id=457&section=News&month=current" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive.vm?id=457&section=News&month=current</a> Absolutely disgusted. <div></div><p>Message Edited by The_Witchfinder on <span class=date_text>04-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:56 AM</span>

[mrcurtlo]

<P>hey this is to the poster and is a thought that i dont seen posted much when PvP comes out we are going to kick *$%#&! this is why I picked a main fer a SK 1k lifetap nice mad quik dps .. yes drains power but a dead corpse is one never the less if u pick a sk for role play then this is the wrong game for you .... PvP  servers here we come. If u are juss a blue B *$%#&! then pick a class that can be the best blue B u can other wise leave the real dark killin to to the real SK's that are up fer it </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>I said my piece if its to dark fer you stay blue B</P> <DIV>35 sk lavastorm</DIV>

[Genag]

<DIV> <P><EM>Play whatever you want to play to have fun. Don't be worried if your class is "the best" at this or that. If you're having fun, what does it matter? </EM></P> <P><EM>Dumping a class because of a couple small problems is foolish. Every class has them, in relative abundance.</EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><STRONG>Agree</STRONG></P></DIV>

[Profe]

<div></div>i got to 50 it's awesome being  a 2nd-rate tank! <span>:smileysad:</span><span></span> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Profett on <span class=date_text>04-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:56 AM</span>

[far]

<DIV>On the plus side you can sell you character now... hoooray level 50 sk avail on Inny kindy sucky sucky</DIV>

[vTenebr]

<P>Don't let the door hit you.</P> <P>Oddly, you strike me as one of those people who will be miserable unless you play the "perfect" class.  Well, good luck.  I'm sure after you try EVERYTHING you *might* find it.</P> <P>However, I think you're just going to be miserable.</P> <P>I <3 my SK and I'm 50.  I do raid.  I may not be MT, but I am MA often.  Do I sometimes feel 2nd rate?  Yeah, I won't lie.. but I won't *whine* either.  I love my class, still.</P>

[Crystal Arine]

<P>First off i dont think anyone really understood im not really going to reroll my inquis. Hence "time to go flame the inquis boards and say how much we suck" it was a joke and no im not looking for the "perfect" class im just looking for one i really like. I love my inquis and i wouldnt ever reroll because of someone talking about how terrible we are unless i acually notice it and it makes a major diff.</P> <P>You know i think its funny how when everyone else flames the class its perfectly ok but once i say the Sks suck i get flamed like theres no tomarrow. I think I have an idea lets all cool down im sry if i was a lil harsh but im just tired of the class and i give up.</P> <P>My thoughts to everyone that choose the class for the horse (not me). One, play the class your good at and you love as an sk the best thing i could solo was mostly whites and VERY rarely yellows but as a inquis i can burn reds and im loving it. Now granted I grp 99.9999999% of the time but sometimes i solo to check how good im going at the class so far.</P> <P>Just today I kept a grp with a lvl 26 inquis (me),a lvl 27 zerk,a lvl 25 paly,and a lvl 26 ranger in RoV killing lvl 30 ^^ clays and many times we had a pop and we took down TWO lvl 30^^s.</P> <P>So i guess my real point is that no i am not rerolling my inquis,i dislike and was not the best at the sk class,inquis are the best:smileytongue:,and last play what you like and what your good at.</P> <P> </P> <P>Case closed,</P> <P>Crystal</P>

[vTenebr]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Crystal Arine wrote:<p>First off i dont think anyone really understood im not really going to reroll my inquis. Hence "time to go flame the inquis boards and say how much we suck" it was a joke and no im not looking for the "perfect" class im just looking for one i really like. I love my inquis and i wouldnt ever reroll because of someone talking about how terrible we are unless i acually notice it and it makes a major diff.</p> <p>You know i think its funny how when everyone else flames the class its perfectly ok but once i say the Sks suck i get flamed like theres no tomarrow. I think I have an idea lets all cool down im sry if i was a lil harsh but im just tired of the class and i give up.</p> <p>My thoughts to everyone that choose the class for the horse (not me). One, play the class your good at and you love as an sk the best thing i could solo was mostly whites and VERY rarely yellows but as a inquis i can burn reds and im loving it. Now granted I grp 99.9999999% of the time but sometimes i solo to check how good im going at the class so far.</p> <p>Just today I kept a grp with a lvl 26 inquis (me),a lvl 27 zerk,a lvl 25 paly,and a lvl 26 ranger in RoV killing lvl 30 ^^ clays and many times we had a pop and we took down TWO lvl 30^^s.</p> <p>So i guess my real point is that no i am not rerolling my inquis,i dislike and was not the best at the sk class,inquis are the best:smileytongue:,and last play what you like and what your good at.</p> <p>Case closed,</p> <p>Crystal</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote> I don't give a rats [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] why you dropped your SK.  I don't care that you think the class is gimped.  I don't care how you feel or how uber your *wow* level 26 Inquisitor is.  I only said anything because these self important, "I quit" rants are tiresome.  People post them like the rest of us give a half a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] that YOU quit.  Like we're expected to prostrate ourselves before you in sorrow, grief, dismay, or some other emotion because YOU decided that you can't hack this game or some class. imho it's the epitome of arrogance to feel you simply MUST inform several hundred other people, who don't know you, that you quit.  It's kinda like saying "OH THE CLASS IS SUFFERING SUCH A LOSS.. ALAS AS I AM LEAVING". You're not that important.. so spare us your further rants and tirades.  You're nobody. Truth hurts.. 1 star away *smile*</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by vTenebrae on <span class=date_text>04-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:30 PM</span>

[Bron]

I have always been one to point out the massive effect of the defense skill when it comes to tanking, and how guardians have a large advantage here over SKs. That being said, <i>Read the dev Tracker sometime!!!!   </i>If you have the time to come here and complain, you certainly have the time to read what they are posting about the upcoming combat changes and how the effectiveness of the defense skill is being modified along with a buttload of other factors. A month ago, I'd say you had a good point.  Now I just say you're poorly informed because the things you're complaining about are in the process of being fixed. <div></div>

[Khalindor]

<P>Well, at lvl 50.. most of my friends cry for nerfing Shadow Knights. We do not suck at all, quite the opposit. Sure we do lack some raid utility.. but then again, we ARE pretty good at dps. I've even seen my Spooky Seagull hit for +300 with his special attacks (adept III). I even found out that im capable of litterly... Soloing... the Trembling Lagoon raid content (all though... would take +8 hours i guess) hehe.</P> <P> But my point is, gear and skills are just half the char. A supremly equiped char with super gear and all master abilities can still suck more then a lvl 3 n00bie. It all comes down in how u are able to fully utilize your characters full potential. My friends see how i play, what i can pull off alone.. and they cry for nerfing our class back to the stoneage, i take that as a compliment =) </P>

[moorie27]

<P>Make an ogre SK! must be something in the water maybe...but 4 lvls short of 50 and with only 2 ebon parts i have better stats than most of these linked 50 sk whiners! Dark Elf = caster no?</P>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<DIV>don't go about whining about how much classes suck...  they only do because you do not enjoy it.  I have several different characters, and i enjoy them all for different reasons...  My SK for tanking, and being the evil badass he is, coercer for being useful, and hearing "without the coercer, we would have been [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ed"...  you want big hits?  play an assassin...  Mine is 26, and i'm hitting for close to 700 with Assassins Blade...  quite fun to...  show those guardians that they can lose aggro /grin</DIV>

[Itan]

Being an SK rocks.. Just wish the class worked a little better, like a better horse or a better FD! <div></div>

[Loter]

<FONT face=Verdana color=#e5fed7 size=2>Time to turn this thread around!<BR><BR>I just demoted my warlock to an alt, because they SUCK... heh, no truly the warlock class is awsome. I have a feeling that they're bad soloers, but that could just as easily be me never figuring out how to work around the issues that the class has on that part. Soloing is important to me as I quite often play outside the peak hours, where groups are not that easily found. So I re-rolled to what I actually played during the beta, hehe... go figure. I love every moment. Here I get both... solo and groups. What more could I possibly want?<BR><BR>So... HELLO everyone :smileyhappy:</FONT>

[vwlsskng]

Sadly, there is little differentiation between any of the classes if your viewpoint is that of EQL.

[Crystal Arine]

<P>Ok all I'm back and I am sorry for my rudeness about SKs I really don't know what came over me but whatever it was caused me to delete my SK which I really should have kept for when PvP came out but alas, I didn't:smileysad:. I'm really sorry for the flame all hope you all accept it. Got Inquisitor to level 28 and omg healing is soooo boring. Heres what happens in a group...</P> <P>1. You Cast Bestow of Vistie (or something over time heal i.e when u get hit heals you)</P> <P>2. Tank INC</P> <P>3. A firelock giant hit the tank for 189 damage...</P> <P>4. Heal goes off...</P> <P>5. Hit again...heal goes off</P> <P>6. Timers out cast BoV....</P> <P>7. Tanks hit</P> <P>8. Heal goes off</P> <P>Again not sure what came over me when I said Inquisitors and so uber they are flat out boring and so not being able to stay away from the figher class I rerolled a guardian, yes I know half of you don't care and I'm a nobody but gota say the tanking difference is unreal...</P> <P>Again sorry about the flame,the bragging,the whining, the announcing</P> <P>I should have just rerolled quietly, sorry all...ummmm bye:smileyindifferent:.</P> <P><EDIT></P> <P>heh nothing against Inquisitors I luv how you guys heal me:smileyhappy: this is NOT a flame to you</P> <P>Message Edited by Crystal Arine on <SPAN class=date_text>05-20-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:26 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Crystal Arine on <span class=date_text>05-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:28 PM</span>

[EnraptureE]

<P>Crystal, from what I've been reading, it seems your problem is not with the classes, the game or the mechanics.  Its you... wanting the easiest class, to no problems with it, at any time, lvl or whatever & label that as fun.  *boggle*  You will ALWAYS be unhappy about something.  Not to say there isn't problems, but sheesh, theres problems with every single class, all with differing lvls of severity & at different lvls in general.  I just look at it as a tweaking needing to be done & work around it, till a) its worked on to some degree to not let it be a problem anymore, b) I've lvl'd up enough that its no longer an issue.  That took all of 5 sec to extrapulate a thinking process & react too.</P> <P>Take a breather & don't just shelve your char, cause your annoyed with it at some lvl that shows some hurdles.  Its the game & there will always be things like this.  I'm not saying don't try different things, but from reading your posts, you jump ship quicker than the rats, as soon as something pops up.  Its like your searching for the right char to get you to 50, without 1 problem to get there.  I mean, come on, how could you not know a healer would be "boring" when grouped, as healing is what you do primarily, along with other skills, but in general, you group, you heal.  How you got to near 30 without realizing it, puzzles me.  Oh no, actually it doesn't, when I read that you were all gung ho about killing reds.  It honestly seems like your the kind of person that will make 6 chars, all different & all lvl about the same, cause you can't stick with one till the end & grow with them, through thick & thin so to speak, the good & the bad.  Its when you do this that you gain respect for your char & its advantages & disadvantages.  Until you do this, your always gonna be on the outside looking in.  Again, I'm not saying that when you do this, you won't have something about yer char that you think really needs looking at, but it sure makes your gaming experience much more enjoyable.</P> <P>If you can't realize this & that its an inherint quality of these games, then perhaps you should go to some other game, like WoW, where a blind monkey on crack with no arms could play.  Sorry if that comes off as offensive, but its really annoying to read posts like this.</P>

[vTenebr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EnraptureEQ2 wrote:<BR> <P> I'm not saying don't try different things, but from reading your posts, you jump ship quicker than the rats...</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hey now, us rats resent that remark <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[crotendor]

<P>Every class has a few levels where you get real frustrated and want to quit playing it. It happened in EQ1 and again in EQII. But, it's when you have issues with learning how to play the new class is what makes you a better player in the future.</P> <P>I think around level 28 - 32 I had issues with my SK. After that, I has been pure pleasure since. I think the classes in EQII are more balanced than they were in EQ1. Every class has something nice that helps in combat. But, if you know what you're doing, you can form a solid group and use the strengths of the classes you have rather than complain about what you don't have.</P>

[EnraptureE]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vTenebrae wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EnraptureEQ2 wrote:<BR> <P> I'm not saying don't try different things, but from reading your posts, you jump ship quicker than the rats...</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hey now, us rats resent that remark <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Heh, you got me there >< No one shows love for the Ratonga do they? I'd guess they're right up there with gnomehaters lol.

[lllo0o0ol]

<span><blockquote><hr>crotendor wrote:<p> </p> <p>I think around level 28 - 32 I had issues with my SK. After that, I has been pure pleasure since. I think the classes in EQII are more balanced than they were in EQ1. Every class has something nice that helps in combat. But, if you know what you're doing, you can form a solid group and use the strengths of the classes you have rather than complain about what you don't have.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote> Agreed. My only issue was in the high 20's to low 30's and that was only for soloing so during that point I just grouped all the time. By nature I'm a solo sort of player unless there is something specific being gone for, quests, heritage raids etc. I soloed lvls 40-42 almost entirely and in the span of a couple days in Ferrott and it was fun as hell. Didn't die one time over the course of dozens of heroic encounter. As to the OP, it really does seem like you just want to find the uber class and that will not happen. Guardians have thier aggro pulled by scout classes and casters and zerkers, casters and scouts get creamed if the tank goes down, zerkers don't have as many hit points as guards, mystcis look stupid as bears etc etc and on and on. And also, these boards in geenral are NOT ( and I mean all class boards, not just SK ) a good place to go to get any real kind of indicator of how good or bad a class is. Message boards tend to draw whiners, and whiners tend to do that loudly. I've played monk, zerker and a few healer classes and SK is the one I kept coming back to. I just hit 50 and after joinign the guild I am currently in, have been in higher lvl raids since 47 and held my own just fine. Give the class a chance,once you hit 40 and beyond it really becomes fun. The group of people I mainly played with consisted of Guard, Zerk, Warlock, Temp and Mystic and me. Once I hit the 40's the Guard and Zerk started to become surprised that I was out dpsing them wihtout really much effort and would have to hold off on specials since I was pulling the aggro. Plus soloing, you geta  pet to distract one mob, tons of aoe spells and self wards. No way is a zerk or guard going to go off soloing grouped heroic encounters like we can.</span><div></div>

[MF2K|Wh]

<DIV>heh thats funny..switching from sk to inquis...broken but fun, to just broken <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[WolfSha]

<P>This is the first time i've been in this forum as I only just rolled my SK last night... So hello everyone :smileyhappy: /wave</P> <P>Completed the crusader class quest at lvl 6, just before bed. Was good fun to be a noob char again and get 5% xp for killing a solo white and freeport is a nice change from qeynos.</P> <P>I must say that my starting a SK nearly never happened - I've seen nothing but moaning from SK's outside this forum so it's good to see some positive views on SK's on this thread... I've been tempted to make a SK for a while now, but was put off by the large amout of moaning about what a completely useless class it is on every tanking balance thread (one seems to come up every few weeks) and decided that maybe i should make a pally instead.  Not really what i wanted to play, but if SK's were so sucky then what was the point... hence i'd shelved the idea.</P> <P>Recently however i've grouped with a few high lvl SK's with my main (currently lvl 47 zerker) and i noticed a few things that made me think about making one again...</P> <P>Firstly i noticed that the dps output from a SK is VERY high. Against a ^^ mob i'd say it was probably higher than a zerker.  Don't have parse logs to prove it, but i did spent a couple of hours in PF killing ice giants, then had 2 SK's join the group and we killed together for another hour or so (was doing the statue quests). The rate we started taking down those lvl 50^^ giants was amzing with the addition of 2 lvl 45 SK's.  If it's not better than a zerker then it's bloody close - SK's are not gimped for dsp. (And my zerker has the EBBC - i was not weilding a sheild and a coffee cup, before anyone starts asking questions about equipment :smileywink: )</P> <P>Secondly, you have a lot of very useful utility: </P> <P>Evac on a tank? wow! Yes i know that every scout gets it a lvl 25 and a few other classes get it too, but scouts are releatively rare </P> <P>it seems at the higher levels and if you solo or duo with a healer it's 100000x more useful than a pallys rez. </P> <P>That feign death on a group member thing should very handy for times you just cant get agro back.  Can someone tell me if it still fools mobs at the higher lvls - does it scale up with you?  Is it as useful as i can imagine it would be - i didn't get to see it in action as keeping agro off 1 healer wasn't a problem for 2 SK's and a zerker...</P> <P>The wards sound useful too (assuming they work)</P> <P>And there's the ability to heal yourself with life taps.</P> <P>I'm not saying an SK is better than a zerker or a guard because of all that, my understanding is that SK's need a lot of work to make these abilities work better for them, but i am saying that these are things that neither a guard or zerker has anything even approximating to, and if you'd happily trade all that to get the defence of a guard and tank raid mobs then stop moaning and go any play the class that you really wanted to play in the first place, but didn't have such a cool name or a free (useless) horse..</P> <P>Zerkers and guards are very basic, no frills tanks.  They stand there with the mob and hit it. If it dies first they win, if not they loose - guard lives longer, zerkers kill faster, but both (coming from the warrior line) are very no-nonsence, "i have a big sword and some armour, what more do i need?" kinda tanks - there's nothing else they can do, hence they are very good at the aspect of tanking they can do, but it is not the whole story in terms of being "a good tank" - there is a lot else a tank could do, both for himself and his group to acheive good results and SK's seem to have a lot of utility, and sould like they'd be good fun to play.</P> <P> </P> <P>I'm really wanting to play something a bit different to my swashie and zerker (and not be a wizard or healer) and i hope that an SK will provide that..  I'm hoping to get a lot of enjoyment out of my SK, so thanks to everone that has defended SK's on this thread for the encouragement it's given me to make my SK finally! :smileyhappy:</P> <P>I'm not looking for the "uber-king-of-raid-tanking" class.  I'm looking for something fun.  Playing a guard, as far as i can tell is not fun that much fun...</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by WolfShark on <span class=date_text>06-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:11 AM</span>

[Humuhumunukunukuapua]

<P>Welcome Wolfshark!  And thanks for the post.  It's always refreshing to hear another tank class's perspective on SK's (especially at higher levels) <STRONG>in addition</STRONG> to hearing what SK's think of the class relative to other tanks they have grouped with.  I think it's useful in either proving or disproving some of the speculation that's been floating around the SK boards.  For selfish reasons (of course, I'm an SK), I hope you do choose to walk the dark path - but more importantly - I hope you make it back to the boards every now and then (say once a Tier :smileywink<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> to let us know how you think an SK compares to the Zerker you leveled.  My hope is that this will either a) dispel the speculation that our class is "broken" or b) confirm the class is broken so that the devs will take the rantings on this board seriously and make some changes to <STRONG>our</STRONG> class (no nerfing other classes please).  I'm 36 so far and tank just fine, realizing that there are other classes *ahem Guardian* that should be able to do it "easier" since that is their only lot in life (a pure no frills tank - heck let them have it).  But the problem for me and many others is that sure we can tank, but is the effort used in SK tanking and risk of loosing aggro within the "acceptable" range relative to other tank classes or is the gap so disproportionate that clearly SKs are not getting enough defensive skills or offensive output to make the gap acceptable.  I don't have a clear perspective on that since I'm only leveling one toon and have no desire (or time) to do 2 tanks at the same time.  In any event, it would be cool if you could drop by every now and then to let us know what you think.  Welcome and good luck.</P> <P> </P>

[WolfSha]

<P>Yeah, I think I will do that - i'll pop back once a tier and tell you how i'm getting on - not many people are able to post from a position of working on a new tank after having level a different one to 50, so i might be able to provide something useful.</P> <P>A zerker is a good one to compare a SK to as well as they are in probably the same position as a SK - not gonna get to tank raids very often, and know that, and accept that, but will not tollerate being a bad group tank.</P> <P>My personal opinion is that a zerker is a much better group tank than a guardian for one simple reason - a guardian's defence is overkill for group content and the loss of a dps slot out of a group of even 6 is less acceptable than out of a raid fo 24 people.  Who cares if your raid tank does 0 dps - there are 23 other people there.  If you're in a group of 4, then you probably do care that 1/2 of your number is doing little dsp (remember the healer isn't doing much either).</P> <P>What you want from your group tank is enough defences to not actually die and to be able to hold agro, while doing as much dps as possible.  Zerkers and the king of agro and have enough defence for group work so I honestly couldn't be happier with my zerker.  I've had people ask me if i'm not disapointed with my choice because no-ones gonna ask me to MT a raid.. HELL NO! I have LOVED playing my zerker, every minute of it.  And i shall be very interested to see how a SK compares.</P> <P>Thanks for the welcome and i'll let you know how they compare as i progress! :smileyhappy:</P>

[Krogoxx]

<P>GoD i am tired of reading this stuff</P> <P>1) as many people posted you have to work around gaps/bugs in our combat arts,spells</P> <P>2) raicial traits and specialized training is your friend choose those skills for the task you want tank,dps ,AoE dps and take all traits and skills related to that task</P> <P>3)find the best gear you can afford/make/loot</P> <P>4) potions/food/drink  are great  they can raise str/stam/agil/health/power and mitagation</P> <P>5) lastly the myth zerkers,bruisers are better tanks/dps then us is not true, with crappy pet and enchanter haste i average about 210 dps with my personal record being 248.2.during raids when our guardain dies the mob kills the healer then me when i all out dps</P>

[wakkogooch]

<DIV>my 2 cents</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i love being a SK. i can solo till i'm blue, when i respond to a tank request, i get answered back. i can solo the world till i'm blue in the face and i can put out a solid 200+ damge attack every 10 seconds or so. life is goos as a SK. and, if all else fails, AoE, bash and run. anxious for my speed debuff coming soon. (i'm at 36 right now). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>those of you leaving because of frustration, i'm sorry, but as pointed out on almost every thread in hear, not all classes are for all people. SK's are a very unique class and require a certain amount of patience. Such an uber class would be played by everyone if it didn't pose it's challenges. it takes a thick willed individual to play a SK, and if you look at populations by class you'll see that SK's are a fairly rare breed these days.</DIV>

[far]

<DIV>Whats even RARER is level 50 sks, hence so many Im level 20 odd to 30 odd and im doing swell posts. Also any bruiser not out dpsing you isnt trying..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SK 50 </DIV> <DIV>Avg 217 dps on raids (6 pts above the pallie!) ummm yay?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Juravael]

<P>Hit level 40 tonight and I am still absolutely loving my Shadowknight. No issues with tanking ever, Ive actually had quite a few compliments, love my new squire, I hold aggro very well and I can solo quite well with very little downtime, if any at all.</P> <P>All I could say is "know" the class that you play, keep your gear, spells, food and drink at the best that you can for your level and all else is easy. *shrugs*</P>

[Xakkoriz]

<span>:smileysurprised:</span>  SK is the best class I've played so far... but then again I've never gotten another char to 20 simply because I'd rather level my SK up to 50 first.

[Zoradan]

<P>WHY on god's dark rotting eath do people keep BUMPING this old dumb [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] post!!!!!</P> <P> </P> <P>ARRRRGGGGGGG!!!!! Now I've done it!</P> <P> </P> <P>/bang head on desk.</P>

[Damanex]

<div></div>First off let me say I've played a Shadowknight to 50 and yes I experience raiding on a daily basis However, here's the things I would like to see improved upon with the Shadowknight class 1.)  Our wards / healing power are not worth it atm -- lifetaps are near useless (resistable and not strong enough), our drain STR spells don't even work, and wards are not worth the power 2.)  We have no group utility -- basically on a raid we have nothing else to offer to other members of the raid, therefore we are often picked over for other fighter dps such as berserkers / monks / bruisers.  ATM we need something to compensate for the i) lack of group utility and ii) lack of decent taunts 3.)  Upgrade to DPS:  I'm not asking to go neck and neck with a warlock here, but why is it other plate wearing tanks can outdps us, mitigate damage better AND hold aggro better than us (pointing the stick at berserkers here) I"m not asking for a nerf SOE, I just want us to have some usefulness end-game <div></div><p>Message Edited by Damanexor on <span class=date_text>06-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:42 PM</span>