SK = tank?

[comfortablynu]

<DIV>Tank this....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.totsm.com/e107/e107_plugins/kig_menu/_imagefiles/eq2_000006_copy2.jpg"></DIV>

[ghosthamm]

ouch, 1 hit huh.....lol

[Dracoviol]

so what your saying is because darather hit you for 8k of crushing dmg when you have no buffs for crushing unlike a guardian your not a tank....hmm I wonder how much he would have hit if it had been poison instead giving you mitigation against it instead of the zero you normally have against crushing. <div></div>

[far]

<DIV>No wonder he hit you hard, you are a weaponsmith. was a poor choice try to respec to something profitable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Farbekrieg Soulstealer SK 47 WS 30</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[LobaLobaLo]

put priority on stamina/resist gear if you want to tank...<p>Message Edited by LobaLobaLoba on <span class=date_text>04-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:38 AM</span>

[Dracoviol]

<DIV>I would say put more priority in tanking mobs that are more geared to be tanked by sk's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[megatra]

<DIV>you are level 50 and you use 1 hot bar.. haven't seen that before</DIV>

[LobaLobaLo]

you should change your surname to Lewinsky because you go down so easy. . .

[ghosthamm]

<DIV>Owned! you are now officially his *$%#&!, did he make you cook dinner and do the dishs after he slapped ya?</DIV>

[comfortablynu]

<span><blockquote><hr>Dracoviolet wrote:so what your saying is because darather hit you for 8k of crushing dmg when you have no buffs for crushing unlike a guardian your not a tank....hmm I wonder how much he would have hit if it had been poison instead giving you mitigation against it instead of the zero you normally have against crushing. <div></div><hr></blockquote> What buffs against crushing damage does a guardian have? I was gonna post 5 minutes ago that they have no such buffs, but I decided before i got ahead of myself to go look at their spell list, and after reading the whole spell list, I still don't see any.  As for SK disease/poison resist, we get what... an extra 300-400 from self buffs? Thats nowhere near worth the extra 3k to 4k hp that a fully buffed Guardian has over a fully buffed SK. So tell me please, what mobs are an SK better suited to tank?</span><div></div>

[comfortablynu]

<span><blockquote><hr>LobaLobaLoba wrote:<div></div> <div></div>put priority on stamina/resist gear if you want to tank...<p>Message Edited by LobaLobaLoba on <span class="date_text">04-13-2005</span> <span class="time_text">08:38 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote> 1. You can't really priortize resist gear in this game. Unlike EQ1 there is no fire resist set, cold resist set, or magic resist set. All items give pretty much standarized resistance sets, the only real difference, is better quality items give higher numbers, and all my equipment is high quality. 2. The problem with prioritizing stamina, is SK's don't benefit from stamina nearly as much as Guardians do. Also, my stamina aint too shabby, its not prioritized, and I could get more, but its pretty good. As i mentioned in the last post, a fully buffed guardian vs. a fully buffed SK, with the same exact equipment at 50, gets 3k - 4k more HP.</span><div></div>

[Dracoviol]

guardians main tank skill gives buffs to crushing.  If you download a custom ui you can see that resistance.  You ever wonder why some mobs just beat the hell out of you?  The reason for this is they are doing wild swings which checks against your crushing resistance.  unfortanetly sk's and pallies get zero in this department.  you may say our desease poison buff is small but its whats makes us better tanks in maidens gulch vs guardians.  friend of mine went their with his guild. their guardians lasted like 3secs till he finally asked for a shot. needless to say he tanked much better then them. I suggest you take a deeper look at the combat system especially after they revamp it.  each plate tank has specific things which he is strong against. while some people say guardians are the most defensive tank that is entirely false.  They are best crushing defensive tanks yes but that is only one type of dmg.  If they had not nerfed agility like they did the differance between a guardian tanking our mobs would be just as clear.  But unfortanetly they took our one way of balancing out guardians imbalanced def buffs.  Hopefully if all things fall correctly the revamp will correct this and make the balancing features they added work like intended. Also on a side note to buff crushing resistance when you have a mage in the group duo ho's till you get the one were you have the fist icon.  that ho when complete buffs crushing. <div></div>

[comfortablynu]

I just got home and logged in, and I checked my buffs on my char. I noticed that I underestimated the amount of resistance I can get for disease and poisons with self buffs. Turns out I can get like 560 disease and about 730 poison. However, I still stick to my original point. Healers don't really have problems with mana in raids if you have it set up right. So taking less dmg over time isnt so much the issue. The difficulty lies in big damage spikes when the mob gets a couple lucky hits in a row, which is bound to happen in any raid. When a guardian has 3 to 4k more hp, they are much better equipped to handle such a situation.

[Dracoviol]

depends on were the dmg is coming from man and the realistic chance of a spike. more hit points is really important if your close to your heals per sec but the farther you get away it can get drastically less important.  more important we and guardians are mitigation based tanks ie its our mitigation that softens those spikes.  As far as mana and healing power its a guild by guild basis. not all guilds have the luxury of lots of healers some are quit lacking.  Hps are also not the only way of lowering the danger of spikes mitigation is another way.  by focusing on desease/poison gear you greatly lower the danger created by them.  my big point though is tanking in eq2 is not a fixed equation. There are many variables that change with the situation.  Hp's and raw ac were the only way you could distinguish yourself from other tanks in eq1 being as resist s were maxed out.   This is not true of eq2. <div></div>

[comfortablynu]

I've been told, I dunno where the information came from, so it may be wrong, that crushing blow ignores AC. Seeing as every just about every raid mob i can think of uses crushing blow, pure HP is a big factor that SKs will never have.

[Dracoviol]

yes it ignores base ac correct. but it dont ignore crushing resistance.  you really have many forms of ac if you think about it.  your resistances are mitigation.  crushing/slashing/piercing are also separate resists(only see able with custom ui).  At lower lvls you really have no way to mitigated them do to lack of buffs.   but later guardians do get buffs to that resistance. we dont so it remains zero unless you choose certain traits that can give you some. <div></div>

[Vrug]

<DIV>Since when does a Guardian get 3 or 4k more HP then a SK.  When I roll out the Level 50 guardians that either I MA or they MA me usually only have 1500 max more HP then I have, and we are all Ogres- they focused on stamina HP during spec- I did not take every stamina and only 1 HP buff during respec.  Go figure- I use to have the same or more HP before I respecked. </DIV>

[Siner]

<blockquote><hr>Dracoviolet wrote:guardians main tank skill gives buffs to crushing.  If you download a custom ui you can see that resistance.  You ever wonder why some mobs just beat the hell out of you?  The reason for this is they are doing wild swings which checks against your crushing resistance.  unfortanetly sk's and pallies get zero in this department.  you may say our desease poison buff is small but its whats makes us better tanks in maidens gulch vs guardians.  friend of mine went their with his guild. their guardians lasted like 3secs till he finally asked for a shot. needless to say he tanked much better then them. I suggest you take a deeper look at the combat system especially after they revamp it.  each plate tank has specific things which he is strong against. while some people say guardians are the most defensive tank that is entirely false.  They are best crushing defensive tanks yes but that is only one type of dmg.  If they had not nerfed agility like they did the differance between a guardian tanking our mobs would be just as clear.  But unfortanetly they took our one way of balancing out guardians imbalanced def buffs.  Hopefully if all things fall correctly the revamp will correct this and make the balancing features they added work like intended. Also on a side note to buff crushing resistance when you have a mage in the group duo ho's till you get the one were you have the fist icon.  that ho when complete buffs crushing. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Drac do you need a custom UI or will the show HUD command work? If custom UI only, could you suggest any one in particular?

[Quizenbo]

<P>Yes we are not the best tanks and there are many improvements needed in the SK class, but that doesnt mean we cant tank. The only real down fall I have come across to an SK tanking is the lack of HP but that doesnt mean we cant make due with what we got. This post is tryin to say, why cant we tank Darathar? Well its a lvl 58 mob and the high point of the game atm. If everything were equal like you wanted it to be there would just be 4 classes in this game. Fighter, Priest, Mage, Scout.  But that would get old, repetative and boreing. So what if you need the best of the tank class in the game to beat the best mob, that only makes sense. Sk have other things they can do well that guardians cant.  </P> <P>On an ending note, I have personally tanked King Zatan, Arcimoniad, Lord Naglek, Trembler the Behemoth, and Venekor. </P> <DIV>I feel with the proper set up we can tank most mobs out there. Now convenceing your guild to let you tank... LOL that may be another story. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Quizenbort Possibility</DIV> <DIV>  50 Shadowknight </DIV> <DIV>  Grobb server</DIV>

[Nobol]

Kinda sad with raid buffs my stats are better than that, and you only have 900hp more then I would <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Xiene]

Darathar's barrage is deadly even to a buffed guardians btw <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, one of most high geared guardian got hit by darathar's barrage for 7Kish.  That's with guardian's group crushing damage buff.  (Guardian has extra group buffs that gives HP, Defense, and Crushing resist.  If you are in a same group with guardian you'll benefit from their buff.)

[Pero Salm]

<DIV>wow.  what is that dragon?  where are you in the game for me to see that?</DIV>