Plea to the DEVS !!!!

[AironJe]

<DIV>FIX US PLEASE.. I dont know what you wnat us to be? we cant tank as well as a Gaurdian.. we cant dps like a monk and cant heal like Paladin....</DIV> <DIV>WE ARE THE WORSE TANK OUT THERE!! PERIOD!!!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Example1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Snowleapord Everforst Group one templar one wizard and me level 45 sk.. all of us level 45.. we attack the templar has to use 75% of his mana to keep me from dying (gets clsoe a few times...) in the end we in  time from agro to kill 2 minutes and 45 seconds.. i have  no power....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Same group swap for 45 gaurdian.. kill time  1minute 55 seconds and templar is at half power but thas beacause he got to throw in some attacks this time... gaudian at 75% power</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>same group   45 Paladin.. kill time 2 mintues 22 seconds templar at 75% power and was doin damage as well... paladin was at 75% power too</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All using pristine conditioned cedar shields. comparable armor and weapons nobody ahd adept III all adept I's on skills...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>all used same basic line of spell casting agro taunt ho coulpe attakcs self ward and taunt... by FAR i was the worst DPS and worst tank...</DIV> <DIV>yes i had best food i could buy</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Example 2</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Group mob's in lavastorm (gobbies)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6 in the group MT is a gaurdian 2 assasins a inq and a temp and a wizard...</DIV> <DIV>sufice to say that 4 gobies (con white) to this gorup were mowed down in less than a minute</DIV> <DIV>all members of group have over 75% power...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Insert SK same level little over a mintue to  kill ( tank dps in large groups is negligent (except for monks) however everyoenis at over 70% power cept me im at 40%</DIV> <DIV>why? beacause if i dont continously taun then agro goes flyin all over my wizards....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in conclusion SK taunts need to be increased in potency&power reduction cost across the board for all skills!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not to mention just about every "Secondary function on endgame skills for sk is broke atm !!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PLEASE HELP US we are getting booted from groups when a "better" tanking class comes along or just told outright to delete toon and start a gaurdian!!</DIV><p>Message Edited by AironJedi on <span class=date_text>03-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:32 AM</span>

[Xeriez]

here here!

[Kilo]

<div></div>If you have to taunt all the time, your casters are overnuking. But, yes our taunts need upgrades. A nearly 350 threat increase advantage between ours and guardians highest end AE taunts(at Adept III) is unacceptable. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Kilopy on <span class=date_text>03-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:18 PM</span>

[Leatherface77]

<DIV>That and our power consumption is a joke please fix this!</DIV>

[vTenebr]

Getting REALLY tired of being asked to drop from raids in favor of a "more useful" class.

[vwlsskng]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vTenebrae wrote:<BR>Getting REALLY tired of being asked to drop from raids in favor of a "more useful" class. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You're too sexy for your signature, Namaste.

[vwlsskng]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vTenebrae wrote:<BR>Getting REALLY tired of being asked to drop from raids in favor of a "more useful" class. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sadly, we bring nothing unique whatsoever to the proverbial table. As I've said from the beginning, our class is, by comparison, not only to the SK of EQL, but to other EQ2 classes, namely tanks, grey. It just seems that very little thought went into our design and implementation.

[CountDrunkula]

/agree ...power consumption is maddening, and our taunts definately need a shot of adrenaline.This is especially painfully evident  if (god forbid) you ever lose agro and have to try to steal it back! I dont think  "rescue" has ever ONCE gotten a mob's attention off it's target and back on me. I dont know if the spell is broken, or just hiddeously underpowered, but at any rate it's very uneffective. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kilopy wrote: If you have to taunt all the time, your casters are overnuking. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have a good point here. In EQ  I played a mage to lvl 63, and in that game if I got an itchy trigger finger with my nukes  and pulled agro it was MY fault. Now, in EQ2, there seems to be a whole different perception. If a caster goes on a mana burn, or starts AoE'ing the crap out of everything before you can even get a second taunt off, and they end up taking a beating, more groups than not will see that as a reflection on the tank...rather than a lack of finesse on the part of the caster. Unfortunately, in EQ2 over-zealous casters seem to be the rule rather than the exception. /shrug <div></div>

[Vrug]

<P>Well as a Level 50 SK my only real complaints are the rate at which or spells consume power compared to other tanks and the huge gap between our threat generated by taunts compared to guardians. </P> <P>When it comes to tanking a group or group x2 mob- I rarely notice that I take more damage then any other plate tanks.  I have spent 90 percent of my time in this game as the main tank for the groups I am in, and the only time I ever have true aggro management problems is due to me debuffing a mobs AC by 1800 and opening up some huge hits for the scout classes, or of course to a bruiser( they pull aggro from guardians just as often).</P> <P>I have tanked epic group x4 mobs just fine ( yes it was just the Angler), and I add a massive AC debuff in addition to 2 a avoidance buff on par with a Bruiser.  Throw in Gift and I can give the MT more mitigation then a Bruiser. </P> <P>I do think there is a misconception out there though about how useful and versitile of a class we are. We can DPS or be the MT with ease.  I admit that due to a guardians self buffs and superior taunts they are the choice to tank epic x4, but to say that we are not useful on a raid is just crazy due to other abilities we can add such as our buffs/ debuffs.  </P> <P>I wil not lie- if you want to be a good MT you will have to be sure to use all the hate generating abilities we have at our disposale- such as our debuffs, wards, AoE, buffs.  BUT it can be done.</P> <P>Now soloing is another story- I get my head handed to me by a DUP green while a bruiser or monk can easily defeat them due to our massive mana use and underpowered life taps.  This and the need for improving our taunts are the main areas I would like to see fixed. </P> <P>Vrugor 50 Shadow Knight of Befallen</P>

[MF2K|Wh]

<DIV>100% agreement with you Vrugor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I too have been MT almost exculsively throughout my levels, and I've tanked most x2, and 1 x4.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not that it can't be done, it's just more effective when a guardian tanks, and I have no problem with that. I'm glad to sit back and let the guardian tank raids, but it's nice to know that if the day comes, I'll be able to step up, and continue the job.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for DPS... Just an example from today, the CL instance raid. I had a 50 Brigand, and some others in my group. I out dpsed them all over the course of the fight. Move on to the CoD Drakota instance, same groups.... still outdps them.</DIV>

[DrAtla]

I've been trying to preach about this for a while, but I've had enough... No one listens.

[Xiene]

<P>What you're saying was great.  Using all possible hate generation ability to hold aggro.  work our hardest to hold aggro..</P> <P>But does this apply to other class?  Do they have to burn their power down so fast just to get a grip of mob's attention?  I guess not.</P> <P>Although I don't have much trouble holding down aggro, but believe.. we're still a joke compare to other class.  Why do we even call ourselves a tank when we could not even taunt right.</P> <P>Our most basic hate generation is just taunt and ae taunt.. but pally has a buff that transfer other player's hate to themself.. guardian has a proc type of attack that generate hate towards whole encounter, berserker are known to hold aggro with ther buff's proc.  What about monk? they're still better than SK with their DPS to advanced utilize their ability as a tank.</P>

[Shalori]

<P><FONT color=#ffffff>*sighs* In all honesty its threads like this why I keep telling myself I have to stop reading the Shadow Knight forums. Tinuviel Murquanethi, lvl 50 High Elf Shadowknight  is my character on the Unrest server and let me tell you first off I find her LACKING to no other fighter class. Period.</FONT></P> <P>Right now, I am the main tank for my guild. I have tanked everything from the named spider in Nek Forest, The Flame Lord of Thyr, (which btw if you will read the thread posted on his zone, even most GUARDIANS can't tank this guy) and even *gasps* group x4 encounters of Mjoinl which is for the Fire and Ice quest.  I don't have the greatest gear that a tank could sport, but I know my class, I know my abilities, and I know what gear to use on raid encounters.</P> <P>I don't want my class excelled to the next level, I think we are already there. I think that people need to take a bit more time to research, play and LEARN what SK's are really worth. Ask anyone in the Wrath guild as to my abilities and I am sure you will be shocked that SK's are a great class when one learns how to play it properly.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Shalori on <span class=date_text>03-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:21 AM</span>

[Vrug]

<DIV>Look at it this way- Guardians have to work to keep aggro from bruisers, guardians have to work after I debuff a mobs AC to keep aggro of the Assassin who just did 5k plus hit.  I pull aggro from guardians without taunting, Zerkers do the same.  No tank can expect to hold aggro 100 percent of the time- just is not going to happen.</DIV>

[moorie27]

<P>why do people keep crying "we suck we cant tank..bleh bleh bleh"</P> <P>ok im only lvl42 but im sure if there was a big problem i would have noticed to by now right?</P> <P>or do we just become master(1) [Removed for Content] when we hit 50?</P> <P>I for one think us SK's are just as good as any other fighter class. Dps is kinda rocking since 40 aswell..least mine seems to be.</P> <P>I would love a more evil looking pet tho <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Vrug]

<DIV>The more I think about this the more I think people just need to get over the Guardian is the only real tank crap.  If you place a bruiser and guardian in the same group as I and they both buff me My stats will be very comparable to those of a Guardian wearing the same type of gear as me who has been buffed by the bruiser and I.  Stop selling yourselfs short and step up to the plate.  The one thing that drives me insane is a SK who is whining that he cant keep aggro-  just take the time to learn your class and think outside the box when needed.  The one thing I have to say is this- we can tank.  Hell, some mobs we are better tanks then guardians for due to our ability to give our selfs high poison/disease resists.  If I loose aggro 99 percent of the time it is due me not attempting to keep it- not because I cant keep it.  I have said this before- I have received tells from assassins complimenting me on my aggro management more then once.  This just shows me that most people do not realize that we are great tanks. </DIV>

[Seolta]

<P>You can save alot of power by timing your taunts wisely instead of just spamming them(of course when i say "taunt" i mean including nukes, stuns, group buff, ward etc).</P> <P>With that said...we are power VACUUMS!</P> <P>Definitely need some relief here, both for taunting purposes and for dps on raids since we can't MT for jack in the end-game.</P> <P> </P>

[Mistmoore-Milaga]

<DIV>Shalori -- Agree 100%.  I just started reading this group again and immediately remembered why I stopped in the first place.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shadowknights are not broken.  They are challenging to play, and that is something I like.  I also don't want my job to be easy.  I like having to use a wide variety of skills and spells in a battle to do my job.  So much more interesting than taunt, hold the line, auto-attack, get a glass of water, repeat.  I tank as well or better than any other fighter class I've played with.  Some are better, yes, but I don't attribute that to the class.  The ability to play a class well comes from the player, not the code.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I will admit, there are a few skills that could use some tweaking, but I am quite content with the strengths and weaknesses of my class.  But I hear a lot of complaints that Shadowknights need lubbin'.  I also hear complaints that no one wants to use a Shadowknight as a tank or in a raid.  The boards are full of them.  I personally think the reason why no one wants a Shadowknight as a tank is that so many of them complain that they are broken!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[DUNN]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Milaga wrote:<BR> <DIV>Shalori -- Agree 100%.  I just started reading this group again and immediately remembered why I stopped in the first place.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shadowknights are not broken.  They are challenging to play, and that is something I like.  I also don't want my job to be easy.  I like having to use a wide variety of skills and spells in a battle to do my job.  So much more interesting than taunt, hold the line, auto-attack, get a glass of water, repeat.  I tank as well or better than any other fighter class I've played with.  Some are better, yes, but I don't attribute that to the class.  The ability to play a class well comes from the player, not the code.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Look we are not broken as tanks we can do the job.  Heck we are the best tanks out there just because we can do it with the stuff we have.  However alot and i mean alot of people beleive we are the worst tanks. Open up your eyes!!!  We can scream, shout do flips and even show our skills and they will still think we suck. There is that select few that stand by us but not that many. </DIV> <P>Again people we are not broken just the other tank  classes do things a little  better than us. Simple is in it.  Could someone please tell me what is it that we bring to a group other than our tanking ability that another class does not do better? </P> <P>Oh yeah we debuff the the AC of the mob so the other melee can hit it harder and get aggro.  Go figure an ability that lowers our chance to hold aggroo.  Woot another thing that makes our class more challanging.  </P> <P><BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE>