Grant of Armament....

[Teljair]

Well I was lookin at a Grant of Armament master 1 on the broker.... I noticed the power was only 69, while my Adept one is 72 or 74 (i forget). Anyone have a clue if its a typo or what? <div></div>

[far]

<DIV>An sk spell becoming MORE power efficient as it gets upgrade?? How very un skish</DIV>

[jm212]

Every time I inspect an upgrade, it shows a different power value than after I ultimately scribe it. Every single one, without fail. Check it out some time.

[Xantinya]

I have a paladin and a shadowknight, and I must say this is one of the most frustrating spells in game, as a tank I want to keep my mit, just as I want to keep my sta and str etc, and whether I am MT or assist I dont see much of a difference anyway.  Oh please SOE make this a normal buff that gives mit with the choice of casting it on yourself or on another player, give that buff to healers or tanks I dont care, but either way it would be much less frustrating this way.  Asking a tank to give away his/her mit is like asking a dps to give away half his/her dps to another dps, and so on, it just doesnt feel right.

[ArmadaXeenelk]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Xantinya wrote:<div></div>I have a paladin and a shadowknight, and I must say this is one of the most frustrating spells in game, as a tank I want to keep my mit, just as I want to keep my sta and str etc, and whether I am MT or assist I dont see much of a difference anyway.  Oh please SOE make this a normal buff that gives mit with the choice of casting it on yourself or on another player, give that buff to healers or tanks I dont care, but either way it would be much less frustrating this way.  Asking a tank to give away his/her mit is like asking a dps to give away half his/her dps to another dps, and so on, it just doesnt feel right.<hr></blockquote>Previously this mit buff was awesome.... you could see the percentage difference and it was nice.  If you're taking dmg(tanking/offtanking) then don't use the buff. most of the time when i'm not MT i'm not tanking period so it makes a lot of sense to give up some mit to help your MT(makes you more marketable as a non MT).... Its not like asking a dps to give up their dps... because you're using this buff when you're NOT tanking... which as a SK isn't all that uncommonYou probably want to ask them to increase the mit or change it like they changed our defensive ability to +5% to your target's armor mitigation, I think that would be best +5% to your target's armor mit and -8% to your own, or something like that....</div>

[Xantinya]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ArmadaXeenelk wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xantinya wrote:<BR> I have a paladin and a shadowknight, and I must say this is one of the most frustrating spells in game, as a tank I want to keep my mit, just as I want to keep my sta and str etc, and whether I am MT or assist I dont see much of a difference anyway.  Oh please SOE make this a normal buff that gives mit with the choice of casting it on yourself or on another player, give that buff to healers or tanks I dont care, but either way it would be much less frustrating this way.  Asking a tank to give away his/her mit is like asking a dps to give away half his/her dps to another dps, and so on, it just doesnt feel right.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Previously this mit buff was awesome.... you could see the percentage difference and it was nice.  If you're taking dmg(tanking/offtanking) then don't use the buff. most of the time when i'm not MT i'm not tanking period so it makes a lot of sense to give up some mit to help your MT(makes you more marketable as a non MT).... Its not like asking a dps to give up their dps... because you're using this buff when you're NOT tanking... which as a SK isn't all that uncommon<BR><BR>You probably want to ask them to increase the mit or change it like they changed our defensive ability to +5% to your target's armor mitigation, I think that would be best +5% to your target's armor mit and -8% to your own, or something like that....<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What I want to ask them is to take that spell out of the game, period, or to make it a spell you can cast on someone, on yourself or another (without having to give away some of your mit), you would still give some mit to another if you're not MT but at least you wouldnt have to take some of yours off.  I don't see why as a tank you would like the idea of giving some of your mit, whether you are MT or assisting, a normal buff is much less frustrating and I don't see a problem there.  Even when I assist  I still hate it, if you have to take aggro off the mt its nice to have all your mit without having to cancel and then recast when the mt is rdy to take aggro back , and so on.  And sorry but yes to me it is just like asking a dps to give half his dps, I would feel the same way if you asked me (my wizard - or any other of my dps chars) to give half my damage to another dps, I worked as hard to get the dmg as high as possible just as I try to get my mit as high as possible (and other stats too of course) on my tanks.  You may be off tank but you still have to grab the aggro from another once in a while, the healer, or a caster etc and you need your mit, you're a tank class, not a leather or chain class (which is what that spell reduces you to, but without the awsome dps of a dps class).   And if you never take aggro and your tank is just a dps most the time then might as well just play a scout they're better at it then a tank.

[Mistmoore-Milaga]

<div><blockquote><hr>Xantinya wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ArmadaXeenelk wrote: <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Xantinya wrote: <div></div>I have a paladin and a shadowknight, and I must say this is one of the most frustrating spells in game, as a tank I want to keep my mit, just as I want to keep my sta and str etc, and whether I am MT or assist I dont see much of a difference anyway.  Oh please SOE make this a normal buff that gives mit with the choice of casting it on yourself or on another player, give that buff to healers or tanks I dont care, but either way it would be much less frustrating this way.  Asking a tank to give away his/her mit is like asking a dps to give away half his/her dps to another dps, and so on, it just doesnt feel right. <hr> </blockquote>Previously this mit buff was awesome.... you could see the percentage difference and it was nice.  If you're taking dmg(tanking/offtanking) then don't use the buff. most of the time when i'm not MT i'm not tanking period so it makes a lot of sense to give up some mit to help your MT(makes you more marketable as a non MT).... Its not like asking a dps to give up their dps... because you're using this buff when you're NOT tanking... which as a SK isn't all that uncommonYou probably want to ask them to increase the mit or change it like they changed our defensive ability to +5% to your target's armor mitigation, I think that would be best +5% to your target's armor mit and -8% to your own, or something like that....</div> <hr> </blockquote>What I want to ask them is to take that spell out of the game, period, or to make it a spell you can cast on someone, on yourself or another (without having to give away some of your mit), you would still give some mit to another if you're not MT but at least you wouldnt have to take some of yours off.  I don't see why as a tank you would like the idea of giving some of your mit, whether you are MT or assisting, a normal buff is much less frustrating and I don't see a problem there.  Even when I assist  I still hate it, if you have to take aggro off the mt its nice to have all your mit without having to cancel and then recast when the mt is rdy to take aggro back , and so on.  And sorry but yes to me it is just like asking a dps to give half his dps, I would feel the same way if you asked me (my wizard - or any other of my dps chars) to give half my damage to another dps, I worked as hard to get the dmg as high as possible just as I try to get my mit as high as possible (and other stats too of course) on my tanks.  You may be off tank but you still have to grab the aggro from another once in a while, the healer, or a caster etc and you need your mit, you're a tank class, not a leather or chain class (which is what that spell reduces you to, but without the awsome dps of a dps class).   And if you never take aggro and your tank is just a dps most the time then might as well just play a scout they're better at it then a tank.<hr></blockquote>Playing a Shadowknight is all about compromises. Every benefit has a drawback. If there was no drawback to this spell there would be less of a benefit.It works fine for me now. I can give the MT my mitigation. If he dies, the buff vanishes and I get all my mitigation back.You should look at the Siphon Mitigation AA. That's a nice spell and very much in line with what you would expect from a Shadowknight.  I just love saying at the start of the raid "Mezzyu, I'm stealing your mitigation." ("Aw man!")</div>

[Giral]

<P>you can Grant armor on Anyone . its a Tool you can use to save a Group members life in a tough situation Same as FD !!</P> <P>say your Mage has agro and HT and rescue are down, now mages normaly Die fast and they Drain healer power , you Grant that mage your armor+intercede on them+your Re-active on them ?   my personaly experiance is Happy mages when they live thru Certain Death ( especaily when they say in Group chat "Im a Gonner  " and then they live : P  "</P> <P>same for a Healer with Agro . Grant armor+intercede+Reactive ,  when healers are getting hit they get stiffled/stunned/mezzed They cant heal Themselves ,,,,,, agian many times a healer has thanked me for saving there Azz : ) </P> <P>think of it as a Alternate Intercede/Re-active instead of you Losing Your Mitigation, you have the ability to Utilize your Mitigation to your Group/Raid's advantage ,, your increasing someone else's Mitigation and YOU know how nice it is to suddenly have your Mitigation boosted up 200+ and what a difference it can make in taking a hit .</P> <P>It's one more Skill an SK can use to his/her advantage why would you want it taken away ?  I  for one would be [Removed for Content] if i lost another ability that  I can and Have used more times than i can count to Save the day and leave people wondering How the hell that SK saved the group Once again : )   </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Giralus on <span class=date_text>12-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:13 AM</span>

[JoarAddam]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Giralus wrote:<BR> <P>you can Grant armor on Anyone . its a Tool you can use to save a Group members life in a tough situation Same as FD !!</P> <P>say your Mage has agro and HT and rescue are down, now mages normaly Die fast and they Drain healer power , you Grant that mage your armor+intercede on them+your Re-active on them ?   my personaly experiance is Happy mages when they live thru Certain Death ( especaily when they say in Group chat "Im a Gonner  " and then they live : P  "</P> <P>same for a Healer with Agro . Grant armor+intercede+Reactive ,  when healers are getting hit they get stiffled/stunned/mezzed They cant heal Themselves ,,,,,, agian many times a healer has thanked me for saving there Azz : )</P> <P>think of it as a Alternate Intercede/Re-active instead of you Losing Your Mitigation, you have the ability to Utilize your Mitigation to your Group/Raid's advantage ,, your increasing someone else's Mitigation and YOU know how nice it is to suddenly have your Mitigation boosted up 200+ and what a difference it can make in taking a hit .</P> <P>It's one more Skill an SK can use to his/her advantage why would you want it taken away ?  I  for one would be [Removed for Content] if i lost another ability that  I can and Have used more times than i can count to Save the day and leave people wondering How the hell that SK saved the group Once again : )   </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Giralus on <SPAN class=date_text>12-18-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>12:13 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Yeah, I used to let a mage die, or maybe, if they were lucky and I hadn't just done it for them, FD them.  It's not the mages I'm having trouble with these days... Brigands and Swashbucklers are my problem lately.  I found this jerk just LOVING to hold aggro off me, so finally I just threw up pledge and let him go at it.</P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>

[Eluzay]

<div></div>when I am in dps mode the tank always gets my mit, I am still higher mit than the scouts in the group aftewards fyi... the spell comes off in an instant fyi, you get agro and it is so easy to change to def stance, drop mit, put on board and sword... all these things are side by side icons on one of my bars, takes a good 0.8 seconds to go from offensive mode to defensive mode with full mit, I find the complaints about this spell silly.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Eluzay on <span class=date_text>12-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:28 AM</span>

[Mistmoore-Milaga]

<div><blockquote><hr>JoarAddam wrote:<div></div> <div><blockquote><p></p>Yeah, I used to let a mage die, or maybe, if they were lucky and I hadn't just done it for them, FD them.  It's not the mages I'm having trouble with these days... Brigands and Swashbucklers are my problem lately.  I found this jerk just LOVING to hold aggro off me, so finally I just threw up pledge and let him go at it.</blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>Since they steal aggro a lot anyway I usually put my devious evasion on the brigand in my group. With the diminishing returns on mitigation and his higher avoidance I think he might be tanking better than me.</div>

[Xantinya]

<DIV> <P>Well guys I just dont get it lol sorry, I guess you're so used to give your mit away it doesnt bother you anymore, but to me a tank is a tank no matter which class he/she is (i.e. guard, berz, sk, pally) and whether they are MT or not, and taking mit off any of them just isnt right.  Do they take wis off the healer who's not main healer in your groups?   Do they take int/dps off the wizard who feeds power? (granted it probably doesnt happen as much anymore since they nerfed that spell) Answer is no, they don't, they dont make anyone weaker in any way no matter what their role is in a specific group.   And I am pretty sure no scout (for example) would like to give away their dps (which they are proud of usually just as a tank is proud of his mit and other stats important to a tank).  I think this spell is one of the worse ideas ever and a spell you could cast on yourself or someone else (you would cast it on the MT if you're not MT) would be much much less frustrating then giving away some of your own mit.</P> <P>And Milaga, why don't you ask the brigand to give you some of his dps and avoidance instead? see how much he likes the idea.   And p.s. scouts have the same problem as wizards and other casters - i.e. they have to manage aggro - except they dont die as fast so they don't get yelled at as much when it happens, might want to teach the guy how to manage aggro so he doesnt keep stealing it from you.</P></DIV><p>Message Edited by Xantinya on <span class=date_text>01-19-2007</span> <span class=time_text>12:24 PM</span>

[SaraBH]

all i hear coming from you is i dont like it so take it out? and there are a ton of people myself included who love this ability. and so you know if your not MT your DPS and a DPS giving the Tank some more mit is awsome. Its not like you should be using it anyways if your doing your job right. Seems you need to learn that just cuss i dosent help you that sometimes you need to help the team more.

[Beldin_]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xantinya wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>And Milaga, why don't you ask the brigand to give you some of his dps and avoidance instead? see how much he likes the idea.   And p.s. scouts have the same problem as wizards and other casters - i.e. they have to manage aggro - except they dont die as fast so they don't get yelled at as much when it happens, might want to teach the guy how to manage aggro so he doesnt keep stealing it from you.</P></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Xantinya on <SPAN class=date_text>01-19-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:24 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Since i mostly out-dps Brigands (zonewide in groups as a non-raider) i wouldn't ask that <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>However i almost give my devious evasion on brigands, since they are the first class to peel aggro from me, and i normally never use armament if im not MT in Groups because in bicg groups/adds i mostly pull some aggro, as long as i don't have amends on me. I don't want to take away the spell however.. but make it a 1:1 deal would be good .. give the target at as much miti as you loose.</P>