Level 50 SK's Make Yourselves Heard

[Hellki]

<DIV>First of all I want to make it clear that i am dismissing any input from those Sk's who are lower lvl, but in order to try and spark change we need those who have had the most expierence playing the class heard. We all know that the SK has alot of problems whether it be bugged spells, annoying spam messages, or tanking problems, but when you get to the end game you have 3 choices, craft, reroll, or raid. I am in a raiding guild that has obtained the prismatics and that raids almost everynight, and I feel almost completely useless. I will never be the MT or the ST unless on of our guardians is missing, and in a way rightly so. We simply cannot tank raid mobs unless we have a gaurdian in the group to raise our defense or u have 3 healers on you, and thats for a normal 50+ groupx2. (You can forget about the x3 or x4, there isnt a chance in hell you can u tank these) SOE made the claim that all tanks no matter what would be able to preform thier job equally well one way or another, and this is true from some classes, for example alvl 50 briuser can tank better than an SK bc it almost never never gets hit by a meele raid mob. But for the SK this is simply not true, the highest i have ever gotten my defense is 271 group buffed, our MT guardain gets his defense all the way to 298!!! That is a huge difference. He also breaks 13000 AC and 10000 HP, I simply cannot compete with that and I am tired of it. I dont want guardians to be nerfed that would be a huge mistake. What I want is for SOE to make good on thier promise. I realize that class balancing takes time, and i am willing to wait, just as long and SOE lets me know that they are working on it, and that is the goal of this thread. Lets get some expierenced SK's to post here and share thier expeirences and concerns, and hopefully by the time you lower lvl peeps are at the end game you wont feel incredibly useless like i do. Lets hold SOE acountible :smileywink:</DIV>

[comfortablynu]

<DIV>There used to be a lot of commotion on this forum addressing just those issues. However, they've died down considerably. I think everyone got burned out and tired of being ignored over and over by the dev team. SOE has really dropped the ball on this game, big time.</DIV>

[Vas]

<P>I totally agree.  The sk has no voice in the dev community and it's pretty much a dead issue imo.  Many of us having been raising valid complaints and issues for a long, long time and have received not a bit of support.  We're a non-supported class.  A vague puff-ball of a tank mage with decent dd near the end, no overall concept and tons of spells that are rather, well useless.</P> <P>We've had months of broken skills with zero dev attention other than unbelievable bungling.  I cringe at the though of dev attention at this point since I know they will just foul up something and leave it for several months as they have done so many times before (graven touch, essences).</P> <P>Still let us be fair.  Soe support is awful.  Furies remain a non-supported class, as do those who conjure.  Dev attention is lackluster and inconsistent.  Dare I mention the lavastorm map is still broken?  I believe, I seriously believe, the devs don't even know the problems with zerker buff aggro.  Oh well.  </P> <P>I enjoy my shadowknight, but compared to others the weak spell list and horrible taunts just don't cut it.  I must admit the class blossoms abit past 40, but imo that's too late too late.  Could sk's being improved with a few tweaks? Vastly!  Is it going to happen? Never. Oh look another zerker, another warden, another brusier, another wizard.  That is the future.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Vasan on <span class=date_text>03-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:10 PM</span>

[Hellki]

I realize that most ppl have given up on trying to get the devs attention and that is exactly whay i started this thread. We need to let them know that we still care, and that if they ignore the problem it will NOT just go away.  I love my shadowknight and that is why i refuse to let this class be as useless as it is. If we support a positive base for constructive criticism we will achieve our goals. We just cannot stay silent.

[VampirePrince]

At lvl 50 the only things worth doing are heritages (even though sooner or later I'll run out of them) and harvesting since I'm not in a raid guild. I've tried tanking raid mobs, with success I might add. Allthough compared to a guardian I have lots of problems to deal with such as power consumtion and aggro keeping. At the moment its getting more boring for each day that passes, the times I get to tank raid mobs are when I'm asked to and that is if theres no guardians LFG, available or online. I've been told though that I'm a much better aggro keeper than a guardian even though if we take a look at our hate raising skills they don't improve during levels pretty much. There's no light in the tunnel yet, I guess I keep harvesting ebon and sit tight in my newbie inn room <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Uggli]

I salute you level 50 SK's who decided to level fast and beta test for those of use smart enough to remain at the tip of "the bubble". <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Every time an issue popes up it tends to be addressed as the bubble moves forward. In time the bubble will hit the mid 40's. Then maybe we will see the changes you are requesting.

[Bylb]

<DIV>let us buff outside group in a raid will resolve most issue with "useless" class.</DIV>

[vTenebr]

<blockquote><hr>Uggliey wrote:I salute you level 50 SK's who decided to level fast and beta test for those of use smart enough to remain at the tip of "the bubble". <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Every time an issue popes up it tends to be addressed as the bubble moves forward. In time the bubble will hit the mid 40's. Then maybe we will see the changes you are requesting.<hr></blockquote>There's no reason to berate people who leveled faster than you did, as "not smart enough" to remain at the tip of some imaginary bubble. By that logic you're now dumber than those who're 10-20 levels below you and you are beta testing the changes that will affect them as they level.I am level 50. I've been on many raids. I wish I could MT the raid level mobs, but I am generally not able to. That's left to the guardians. I have offtanked adds, but never "the biggun". However.. I have noticed something. Whenever someone parses (which is every single raid, mind you) out of 18 people (removing the 5 healers and the 1 enchanter, in a full raid) SKs parse damage near the top. I'm always in the top 5 (Along WITH another SK whom I jockey for position with), often in the top 3. Bested by the monk, wizard normally. I was number 1 once but it was a long damned fight, I had HT, and those two ran low on power at the end. HAH.I used to be in, what I kindly referred to as, "The Bi*** group". The group no one cared about that could be dropped/dismissed. Once people really started checking those parses.. I've noticed.. I'm not in that group anymore. Fine, we're not the best tanks. We're not the best DPS..But it's nice to see we have enough that it MATTERS.I only hope that the devs don't notice that SK are decent DPS, realize we're beginning to show some signs of being useful, and nerf us to make sure we're not, again <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by vTenebrae on <span class=date_text>03-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:36 PM</span>

[Kilo]

I just don't care anymore, as soon as I finish my prismatic weapon I'm outta here till the next expansion, or possibly forever if the first expansion doesn't atleast add a new class.Any tank is a glorified ward on raid mobs, guardians are the only class capable of tanking raid mobs for anything.We've gotten one fix so far on the test server patch, while most other classes have gotten 3-4, and they're not even broken.Ah well, only a week or so more.Armor doesn't mean anything, it's the fact that guardians get skills intended for taking big hits and no one else does.The thing about monks/bruisers tanking raiding mobs better than us is crap though, they're almost in the same boat as us, they can't use any skills without drawing agro because any taunt in the game is much too weak, the only real use they have in a raid group is finishing off a mob and buffing the guardian's AC. They die in 3-4 hits, and it doesn't take long for those hits to land.<p>Message Edited by Kilopy on <span class=date_text>03-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:27 PM</span>

[DrAtla]

Actually as far as I have seem, having been on a number of raids with each class tanking, Berserks are better raid tanks than guardians based on agro. They may not have quite the mitigation of the Guardian, but they make up for it by never losing agro, ever, if they know what they are doing.