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[ToadFa]

<DIV>Leme see now, the horse can't go throught water, I get the you can't do that spam and other people can't see when I'm using it in combat, oh and it doesn't work with lucan's pact.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If its only 10% speed increase then whats the [Removed for Content] point?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Droods get sow which is about as fast, scouts are about as fast aswell so whats the problem?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This horse is one thing that makes an sk cool, you can go take a jump if you think I'm paying 5plat for a horse which does what my old horse used to.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its only used for traveling anyway it gives no speed increase in combat, why traveling even slower so it takes me longer to get to where i want to be ffs??????</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[ToadFa]

<DIV>bah supposed to be repying but this started a thread pls delete.</DIV>

[Seolta]

<DIV>why delete? you've got a better Subject Title <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[priwog]

<DIV>one few times i have to admit devs wasting time fixing something that dont need fixing.</DIV>

[vwlsskng]

<DIV>I don't agree with what they're doing, as it's only to pacify the whiners amongs us, but the horse was always intended to be an entertainment ("fluff") spell. I'm thankful that they're at least leaving it at 10% and not gimping it down to 0%. Now, let's see them repair the bug that causes us to either have to turn off a portion of our text or endure a barrage of spam.</DIV>

[Karma]

<DIV>at a 10% its a pointless thing to use and essentaily a fake thing in anycase </DIV>

[Shadame]

You know, it's still faster than the 5% increase you get from jboots. Handy for traveling and still should let you outpace a monster, unless its one of those crazy flying ones with uber speed.

[vwlsskng]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Karmaaa wrote:<BR> <DIV>at a 10% its a pointless thing to use and essentaily a fake thing in anycase </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> How is a 10% speed increase in movement fake and pointless? That's the same as saying, "What's the point of being given ten dollars? If I can't have thirty-two dollars, I don't want anything at all."

[PauseLi]

<blockquote><hr>Shadamehr wrote:You know, it's still faster than the 5% increase you get from jboots. Handy for traveling and still should let you outpace a monster, unless its one of those crazy flying ones with uber speed.<hr></blockquote><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<DIV>Crusader mounts are currently a 32% buff, which will be reduced to 10% <b>(the same speed as Journeyman's Boots)</b>. While still giving a benefit, the horse will provide a relatively minor enhancement.<hr></blockquote>No, its not faster than jboots, its the same speed...except you cant sprint or swim with the horse...so its much slower than jboots. Oh, and you cant use mounts indoors.Granted its still a cheap mount, but practically worthless, like all the other fluff spells I guess.<p>Message Edited by PauseLife on <span class=date_text>02-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:20 AM</span>

[xrippe]

<DIV>What are you talking about... your "fluff" spell lets you run way faster than I can in Jboots.  I play with a RL friend who has a horse(pali)  and he is far faster than myself.  The fun spell you have was meant to have 0 effect on the game.. ZERO.  But I see him outrun mobs all the time.  Im a monk.. I got a Kata spell,  I get to throw kicks and punches in the air that does absolutly nothing for me.  How the hell can you complain.</DIV><p>Message Edited by xripperx on <span class=date_text>02-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:16 AM</span>

[Wurm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xripperx wrote:<BR> <DIV>What are you talking about... your "fluff" spell lets you run way faster than I can in Jboots.  I play with a RL friend who has a horse(pali)  and he is far faster than myself.  The fun spell you have was meant to have 0 effect on the game.. ZERO.  But I see him outrun mobs all the time.  Im a monk.. I got a Kata spell,  I get to throw kicks and punches in the air that does absolutly nothing for me.  How the hell can you complain.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by xripperx on <SPAN class=date_text>02-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:16 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> And what are you doing crying in this thread? WAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA!!

[PauseLi]

<blockquote><hr>xripperx wrote:<DIV>What are you talking about... your "fluff" spell lets you run way faster than I can in Jboots. I play with a RL friend who has a horse(pali) and he is far faster than myself. The fun spell you have was meant to have 0 effect on the game.. ZERO. But I see him outrun mobs all the time. Im a monk.. I got a Kata spell, I get to throw kicks and punches in the air that does absolutly nothing for me. How the hell can you complain.<hr></blockquote>Okay, welcome to the thread...its about the changes that are on test. On test, the crusader mounts (Shadowknight and Paladin) will be a 10% boost, the current boost of your jboots. The problem is that we cant sprint, or go through water with this boost. It also will not stack with SoW or Pathfinding. So, I again state that it is considerably slower than a person with jboots.Now yes, it was a fluff spell, and wasnt supposed to have a speed boost at all. It also wasnt hurting anyone that we had it. No one, not one other class was in anyway penalized for us having this horse. We also (I would assume like all other classes) have tons of skills that are either not working correctly, or completely broken. I feel that if they had addressed even one fix while taking away our horse, that it would be a lot easier for us to take. Meanwhile, they are nerfing something that really didnt need to be nerfed, while leaving us broken.We all have the right to complain, and I dont see why anyone would argue that we have no right just because it was a fluff spell. Anytime something good is taken away, people are going to complain. And sadly enough, the horse was really our class defining skill (as in it was a working skill that was useful to our class)...as lifetaps are laughable, fd doesnt work (or if it does, you have to wait a half hour to do it again), harmtouches are resistable, etc.<p>Message Edited by PauseLife on <span class=date_text>02-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:37 AM</span>

[xrippe]

<DIV>And what are you doing crying in this thread? WAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Very intellegent...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I like Pauselife's response better...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The point I am getting to is this.  Every other class in the game received a pretty worthless fluff spell.  Crusaders (to sum up SK and Pali) were given a gift that gave them over 30% increased running speed.  What happen here?  I know your going to jump on this and start flaming but look at it from every other classes point of view.  Now I see posts like this were hes saying.. OMG its only 10% now!!!  Guys, thats a stackable 10% speed increase that NO ONE else in the game has.  Pretty substancial for a non game impacting fluff spell if you ask me.  Reading this post and some on this board its almost like hes saying..."that Viper I won from IWON.COM doesnt have leather seats.. OMG!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yenyang Angrydragon</DIV> <DIV>31 Ogre Monk</DIV> <DIV>Kithicore</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[PauseLi]

<blockquote><hr>xripperx wrote:<DIV>And what are you doing crying in this thread? WAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA!!</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Very intellegent...</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I like Pauselife's response better...</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>The point I am getting to is this. Every other class in the game received a pretty worthless fluff spell. Crusaders (to sum up SK and Pali) were given a gift that gave them over 30% increased running speed. What happen here? I know your going to jump on this and start flaming but look at it from every other classes point of view. Now I see posts like this were hes saying.. OMG its only 10% now!!! Guys, thats a stackable 10% speed increase that NO ONE else in the game has. Pretty substancial for a non game impacting fluff spell if you ask me. Reading this post and some on this board its almost like hes saying..."that Viper I won from IWON.COM doesnt have leather seats.. OMG!</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Yenyang Angrydragon</DIV><DIV>31 Ogre Monk</DIV><DIV>Kithicore</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>Again, the speed boost from the horse does not stack with anything. No sprinting, no pathfinding, no SoW (unlike jboots). It is a flat 10% that you cant use swimming, and now you wont be able to escape anything while using.So I guess we should ask the devs to nerf the free jboots, since it provides an unfair advantage to people who didnt pre order. After all, jboots were just fluff given away too.

[Saev]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xripperx wrote:<BR> <DIV>And what are you doing crying in this thread? WAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Very intellegent...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>I like Pauselife's response better...</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The point I am getting to is this.  Every other class in the game received a pretty worthless fluff spell.  Crusaders (to sum up SK and Pali) were given a gift that gave them over 30% increased running speed.  What happen here?  I know your going to jump on this and start flaming but look at it from every other classes point of view.  Now I see posts like this were hes saying.. OMG its only 10% now!!!  <STRONG>Guys, thats a stackable 10% speed increase that NO ONE else in the game has. </STRONG> Pretty substancial for a non game impacting fluff spell if you ask me.  Reading this post and some on this board its almost like hes saying..."that Viper I won from IWON.COM doesnt have leather seats.. OMG!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yenyang Angrydragon</DIV> <DIV>31 Ogre Monk</DIV> <DIV>Kithicore</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You may have liked his response better, but you didn't read it. The problem is that it is <STRONG>not </STRONG>stackable. You get no other speed buffs, <STRONG>including sprint,</STRONG> while on a horse.<BR>

[xrippe]

<DIV>Ok, Im sorry...</DIV> <DIV>Your fluff spell only makes you 10% faster than every other class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This was not a flame towards crusaders or the fluff spell they received.. there were plenty of other posts on this board that were regaurding this issue that I didnt even respond to.  I never posted on the board saying it was unfair when the horses were alot faster.  What got me was this posts whinny, spoiled mentatlity for something they shouldnt of had in the first place.</DIV><p>Message Edited by xripperx on <span class=date_text>02-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:50 AM</span>

[Saev]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xripperx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok, Im sorry...</DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Your fluff spell only makes you 10% faster than every other class.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This was not a flame towards crusaders or the fluff spell they received.. there were plenty of other posts on this board that were regaurding this issue that I didnt even respond to.  I never posted on the board saying it was unfair when the horses were alot faster.  What got me was this posts whinny, spoiled mentatlity for something they shouldnt of had in the first place.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by xripperx on <SPAN class=date_text>02-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:50 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Ok, one last attempt - we will be 10% faster than any person that does not have pathfinding, SoW, or J-boots. You will now argue that this is a fluff pell, and the others are class spells or 'earned' items. Fine. We will also die with this spell. We .. cannot ... sprint.</P> <P>So, when this goes live, the crusader horse will be used for crossing grey areas only, assuming the knight in question has no faster method. On top of that, even if the spell is never cast again, we will be stuck with the spam messages - and before you ask, it doesn't matter if you have logged off, rebooted and/or reinstalled EQ2 - if you have cast the Unholy/Holy Pony once in your life, yiou get will get spam. </P> <P>Fine, nerf... uh, sorry ... fix the speed, but fix the other issues too.</P> <P></FONT> </P>

[xrippe]

<DIV>I do agree that it will open a can of worms for you crusaders, but  do you think that this update is unjustified?   Should you have had a 32% speed increase fluff spell at level 20 when other classes get "know alignment" and "smoking hand"?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It just sounds a little greedy.  I would be thankful that the horse wasnt brought down to 0 movement increase wich was the way it was intended in the begining.  The only reason it was 32% speed was due to a bug.</DIV><p>Message Edited by xripperx on <span class=date_text>02-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:23 PM</span>

[PauseLi]

<blockquote><hr>xripperx wrote:<DIV>I do agree that it will open a can of worms for you crusaders, but do you think that this update is unjustified? Should you have had a 32% speed increase fluff spell at level 20 when other classes get "know alignment" and "smoking hand"?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>It just sounds a little greedy. I would be thankful that the horse wasnt brought down to 0 movement increase wich was the way it was intended in the begining. The only reason it was 32% speed was due to a bug.<hr></blockquote>So make those spells usefull instead of making our spell useless. Or, nerf the spell so that its equal to the cheapest horse post patch (24%)...or at least allow us to sprint while on horse (call it gallop or whatever). I never really understood why people were so easy to call for nerfs over buffing what they had. And Im not the one 1 starring, Im also the one trying to keep the conversation civil and without flames.

[nb10]

<DIV>Ripper, why even post here in SK forums? just go whine with the other people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If your class just got nerfed you would complain too...and don't say you wouldn't.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even if it is a "fluff" spell...its a freakin horse, it should be faster than a human can run.  I'm sorry you got a stupid kata and everyone else got some worthless spell.  But when it comes down to it what did the horse really do to affect<STRONG> YOUR </STRONG>gameplay???  I think the only way it affected you was that you didn't have it.  I really wish I had a mez spell, wish i could nuke for 300 damage too.  Now, before you say "but those are class defining skills", if you didn't reallize--so is the horse.  Shadow<STRONG>KNIGHT</STRONG>, I made this character partially because I thought we would have a cool horse (before I even bought the game).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've said this other times and I'll say it again.  Take care of your own classes problems. </DIV>

[Saev]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xripperx wrote:<BR> <DIV>I do agree that it will open a can of worms for you crusaders, <STRONG>but  do you think that this update is unjustified?</STRONG>   Should you have had a 32% speed increase fluff spell at level 20 when other classes get "know alignment" and "smoking hand"?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It just sounds a little greedy.  I would be thankful that the horse wasnt brought down to 0 movement increase wich was the way it was intended in the begining.  The only reason it was 32% speed was due to a bug.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by xripperx on <SPAN class=date_text>02-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:23 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Perhaps it was. In all likelyhood had they admitted the mistake and fixed the speed early on, no one would really have much to complain about now. As it is, we will get used to the change and move on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Very few other classes use or even buy their fluff spells, and now crusaders won't either. Mission accomplished I guess.</DIV>

[Bron]

My problem with the nerf, as other posters have pointed out, is that it is now actually DANGEROUS to ride your horse. Even if you are alone and dont have jboots, you're better off being able to sprint when needed than having to right click and cancel the horse buff icon (which if you are running for your life wastes precious time) first.Should it have been a 32% speed buff? No of course not.I think the thing people are upset about is all the borken and woefully weak SK spells that still need fixing that are going unfixed while something that was beneficial to us gets fixed first. Note a dev has yet to respond to any thread about broken SK spells, yet the thread of people whining about our horse reached 50+ pages with several red responses.

[WarklaW]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xripperx wrote:<BR> <DIV>I do agree that it will open a can of worms for you crusaders, but  do you think that this update is unjustified?   Should you have had a 32% speed increase fluff spell at level 20 when other classes get "know alignment" and "smoking hand"?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It just sounds a little greedy.  I would be thankful that the horse wasnt brought down to 0 movement increase wich was the way it was intended in the begining.  The only reason it was 32% speed was due to a bug.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by xripperx on <SPAN class=date_text>02-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:23 PM</SPAN><BR> <P> <HR> </P> <P>The reason SK's and Palladin's are so upset is because almost all of our spells could be called "Fluff".  3 of my spells have a recycle timer of 1800 seconds, and when I do use them, they either don't work, or the effect is minimal.  Our taunts are ignored because a wizard or an assasin is able to do awesome damage.  And our melee ability is that of a school girl.  At least the "fluff" spell gives us something we can use.  And now we will be left with nothing, but to those who arn't us will assume the floor is now even.  And they can safely nuke from a distance, or sneak through a band of mobs, or use a creature to do their fighting for them.  We have none of this.  No advantage to our class whatsoever.  It's all disadvantages.  So please explain to me how it is fair now.</P> <P><BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE>

[xrippe]

<DIV>================================================== ============================</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Ripper, why even post here in SK forums? just go whine with the other people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If your class just got nerfed you would complain too...and don't say you wouldn't.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even if it is a "fluff" spell...its a freakin horse, it should be faster than a human can run.  I'm sorry you got a stupid kata and everyone else got some worthless spell.  But when it comes down to it what did the horse really do to affect<STRONG> YOUR </STRONG>gameplay???  I think the only way it affected you was that you didn't have it.  I really wish I had a mez spell, wish i could nuke for 300 damage too.  Now, before you say "but those are class defining skills", if you didn't reallize--so is the horse.  Shadow<STRONG>KNIGHT</STRONG>, I made this character partially because I thought we would have a cool horse (before I even bought the game).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've said this other times and I'll say it again.  Take care of your own classes problems. </DIV> <DIV>================================================== ============================</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Personally I dont really care about the one stars... I could be giving them out too but I dont even bother.</DIV> <DIV>Like this post here.. as idiotic as it is I wont even one star this poor guy.  Hes got more important issues to deal with.  And yes you are a KNIGHT wich means you should have a horse but it doesnt mean your horse should give you a bonus that no one else received.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Saying that this fluff spell is your class defining spell is not only silly but its insulting to all crusaders.  Should a horse run faster than a human?  Absolutely.  Should a level 20 pali/sk be given the equivelant of a 2.5pp item?  Absolutely not.  At level 20 Id love to have uber monk weapon #2132313 that is worth 2.5 pp and lets me summon purple unicorns that fart rainbows... did I get one?  </DIV></DIV> <P>Message Edited by xripperx on <SPAN class=date_text>02-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:57 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by xripperx on <span class=date_text>02-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:58 PM</span>

[Awos]

<DIV>"My problem with the nerf, as other posters have pointed out, is that it is now actually DANGEROUS to ride your horse. Even if you are alone and dont have jboots, you're better off being able to sprint when needed than having to right click and cancel the horse buff icon (which if you are running for your life wastes precious time) first.<BR><BR>Should it have been a 32% speed buff? No of course not.<BR><BR>I think the thing people are upset about is all the borken and woefully weak SK spells that still need fixing that are going unfixed while something that was beneficial to us gets fixed first. Note a dev has yet to respond to any thread about broken SK spells, yet the thread of people whining about our horse reached 50+ pages with several red responses."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There you go, they fix things that are not broken, but leave broken things broken....</DIV>

[nb10]

<DIV>I didn't 1 star you Ripper.  Its not THE class defining spell...its A class defining spell in my opinion.  If that is stupid for me to see it that way I must be a total dumby.  It just gets be mad when people cry nerf when the object in question doesn't directly affect your gameplay.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think they could have increased the use of the other class skills.  I just got done reading the test notes and was mad....sorry if i was an [FaarNerfed!].</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But to come to us and say tough [FaarNerfed!] your class deserved to be nerfed just doesn't sit well with me.  I would prefer that you go try and get your UBER farting weapon at lvl 20.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by nb1058 on <span class=date_text>02-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:05 PM</span>

[xrippe]

<DIV>Comon, you know you want a uber farting weapon too..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You guys are still doing good.  10% is still good.  I would strongly agree with the poster that said quests and upgrades should be given to the crusader to get faster/cooler looking mounts.  Id love a way for my Kata to.. do something useful... somehow...</DIV>

[nb10]

<DIV>I think it would be great for the kata to be useful, other than for a really good laugh (i like the floating part at the end).  But if you had a useful kata I'm sure you wouldn't want the dev's to nerf it.  I would be more happy with the 10% if we didn't have crappy skills as is.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now I'm a slow tank with broken skills.:smileysad:</DIV>

[xrippe]

<DIV>Play a monk!  They just nerfed our deflection.  Now we can tank as well as... you guys... =)</DIV>

[nb10]

<DIV>Too far ahead of you...decided to stopped my bruiser for now because of that same reason.  :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Saev]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xripperx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Comon, you know you want a uber farting weapon too..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You guys are still doing good.  <STRONG>10% is still good. </STRONG> I would strongly agree with the poster that said quests and upgrades should be given to the crusader to get faster/cooler looking mounts.  Id love a way for my Kata to.. do something useful... somehow...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>10% is not good. It's pointless. As I and others have said, you can't sprint. A fixed 10% will get you killed. I will be removing the icon from my bar and digging my pre-order J-boots out of the bank.</P> <P>Hmm, perhaps thats why they put 'no destroy' on them.</P> <P>PS. I'm not 1 starring either. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Siner]

<blockquote><hr>xripperx wrote:<DIV>And what are you doing crying in this thread? WAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA!!</div><DIV> </div><DIV>Very intellegent...</div><DIV> </div><DIV>I like Pauselife's response better...</div><DIV> </div><DIV>The point I am getting to is this. Every other class in the game received a pretty worthless fluff spell. Crusaders (to sum up SK and Pali) were given a gift that gave them over 30% increased running speed. What happen here? I know your going to jump on this and start flaming but look at it from every other classes point of view. Now I see posts like this were hes saying.. OMG its only 10% now!!! Guys, thats a stackable 10% speed increase that NO ONE else in the game has. Pretty substancial for a non game impacting fluff spell if you ask me. Reading this post and some on this board its almost like hes saying..."that Viper I won from IWON.COM doesnt have leather seats.. OMG!</div><DIV> </div><DIV>Yenyang Angrydragon</div><DIV>31 Ogre Monk</div><DIV>Kithicore</div><DIV> </div><DIV> </div><hr></blockquote>Guys guys, there is a simple solution to all this. Just have the monk kata have a 30second snare. That way when he does his kata, it will be dangerous for him to do so. Shouldn't all the fluff spells have an element of danger??</sarcasm off>

[The_Witchfind]

<DIV>xripperx, I can't decide whether you're trolling, or are just really struggling with this concept.  If the horse speed is reduced to 10%, the "useful ability" will have been changed into a "liability".  The horse doesn't stack with sprint or with other speed buffs, therefore by using the horse, you're reducing your potential speed.</FONT></DIV> <DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV>If you want to be "fair" about it, the other fluff abilites should do likewise.  Glowing Hand, for example, therefore would provide a bonus to inflicted damage, but should not stack with other damage enhancing buffs.  I wonder how the berserkers would enjoy that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV>By all means, reduce the speed of the horse, even to 0%, and I won't be too upset.  However, it MUST be altered to stack with sprint and speed buffs.</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by The_Witchfinder on <span class=date_text>02-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:34 AM</span>

[DrAtla]

You noobsacks.

[xrippe]

<DIV> <DIV>xripperx, I can't decide whether you're trolling, or are just really struggling with this concept.  If the horse speed is reduced to 10%, the "useful ability" will have been changed into a "liability".  The horse doesn't stack with sprint or with other speed buffs, therefore by using the horse, you're reducing your potential speed.</FONT></DIV> <DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV>If you want to be "fair" about it, the other fluff abilites should do likewise.  Glowing Hand, for example, therefore would provide a bonus to inflicted damage, but should not stack with other damage enhancing buffs.  I wonder how the berserkers would enjoy that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV>By all means, reduce the speed of the horse, even to 0%, and I won't be too upset.  However, it MUST be altered to stack with sprint and speed buffs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree totally with this..</DIV> <DIV>It wouldnt be good if your horse is now a liablity, and by all means I think you should be able to sprint while on the horse.  Hell, horses can run extra fast for a limited amount of time if they need to right?  I dont think thats a problem at all.  And ya, giving the other fluff spells some kind of usefulness would be great.  Kata does +10% damage for 30 seconds.. something silly like that.  Glowing hand is +10% defense for 30 seconds.  </DIV></DIV>

[Sevren]

<DIV>xripperx ...dude ..seriously ..I dont go posting on other class threads unless I play the class..make a Shadowknight or a Paladin ..then come back and chat with us</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But as a little note to this ongoing arguement ...NO ..I dont think we should have gotten a horse as a fluff spell....but we did...And giving us a Horse that doesnt move faster than a human can run ..is outright stupid and unrealistic.     </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would rather them TAKE IT AWAY and give us something DIFFERENT than give us something that REALLY detracts from the feel of realistic game world</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Karma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sevren wrote:<BR> <DIV>xripperx ...dude ..seriously ..I dont go posting on other class threads unless I play the class..make a Shadowknight or a Paladin ..then come back and chat with us</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But as a little note to this ongoing arguement ...NO ..I dont think we should have gotten a horse as a fluff spell....but we did...And giving us a Horse that doesnt move faster than a human can run ..is outright stupid and unrealistic.     </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would rather them TAKE IT AWAY and give us something DIFFERENT than give us something that REALLY detracts from the feel of realistic game world</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>agreed but tbh they should just put up a link for cancelations<BR>

[Mundyman]

<DIV>Who played SWG? wasnt getting to a destination nice when tehy inroduced speeders? Why slow things down, i canno fathom.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But i cant stop thinking.  Casters get a get out of trouble free spell with invis and scouts get a get out of trouble free spell with SoW, why the heck take our get out of trouble free spell?</DIV>

[PauseLi]

<blockquote><hr>Mundyman wrote:<DIV>Who played SWG? wasnt getting to a destination nice when tehy inroduced speeders? Why slow things down, i canno fathom.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>But i cant stop thinking. Casters get a get out of trouble free spell with invis and scouts get a get out of trouble free spell with SoW, why the heck take our get out of trouble free spell?</DIV><hr></blockquote>Well to be honest, the horsie spell wasnt free. Granted, it was around 20s, but it wasnt free...unlike Pathfinding, SoW and pre order jboots (and whatever other free spells that are either given out or are going to be given out.)

[Nataenel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> xripperx wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok, Im sorry...</DIV> <DIV>Your fluff spell only makes you 10% faster than every other class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This was not a flame towards crusaders or the fluff spell they received.. there were plenty of other posts on this board that were regaurding this issue that I didnt even respond to.  I never posted on the board saying it was unfair when the horses were alot faster.  What got me was this posts whinny, spoiled mentatlity for something they shouldnt of had in the first place.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by xripperx on <SPAN class=date_text>02-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:50 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Oh dear, it's the post police.</P> <P>Why do you find it necessary to post here at all? To gripe about another class?  Good job.<BR></P>

[ECDMupp]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sevren wrote:<BR> <DIV>xripperx ...dude ..seriously ..I dont go posting on other class threads unless I play the class..make a Shadowknight or a Paladin ..then come back and chat with us</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But as a little note to this ongoing arguement ...NO ..I dont think we should have gotten a horse as a fluff spell....but we did...And giving us a Horse that doesnt move faster than a human can run ..is outright stupid and unrealistic.     </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would rather them TAKE IT AWAY and give us something DIFFERENT than give us something that REALLY detracts from the feel of realistic game world</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Oh, he's been on the pally boards trolling us as well. He ran over here because I shot his arguments down so badly that he 1 starred all my posts and came over here.</P> <P>Sorry about that.</P>

[PauseLi]

<blockquote><hr>ECDMuppet wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Sevren wrote:<BR><DIV>xripperx ...dude ..seriously ..I dont go posting on other class threads unless I play the class..make a Shadowknight or a Paladin ..then come back and chat with us</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>But as a little note to this ongoing arguement ...NO ..I dont think we should have gotten a horse as a fluff spell....but we did...And giving us a Horse that doesnt move faster than a human can run ..is outright stupid and unrealistic. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I would rather them TAKE IT AWAY and give us something DIFFERENT than give us something that REALLY detracts from the feel of realistic game world</DIV><DIV> </DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><P>Oh, he's been on the pally boards trolling us as well. He ran over here because I shot his arguments down so badly that he 1 starred all my posts and came over here.</P><P>Sorry about that.</P><hr></blockquote>He also got a couple posts locked on the Monk forum for cheering/asking for the final 10% nerf on the horse speed...I also had someone go through and 1 star all my posts (no big deal tho...I didnt notice until a friend brought it to my attention as I have the ratings turned off.) Its really okay tho, sooner or later the devs will figure out that Crusaders should tank better than Monks and will nerf the last of their taking ability away.

[Quaan]

<DIV>Thanks Xripperx, misinformed, illogical whines like yours got the nerf bat swinging.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It wasnt game breaking, was rendered useless in quite a few situtaions and stacked with nothing including sprint. </DIV> <DIV>Yet whiners saw it as a more important point of focus than alot of broken content.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nice going there, next time you get stopped by an ingame bug at least you can take joy in the fact your friend's horse is slow <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[xrippe]

<DIV>ok, I didnt one star anyone.. i dont use the star system its pointless.  </DIV> <DIV>ECD you shot down my posts?  Please dont pat yourself on the back, your hardly capable.</DIV> <DIV>Why do I post here?  Because I can.</DIV> <DIV>Did I get a locked post on the monk board for posting about your horse, yes.  It was a welcome bug fix.</DIV> <DIV>Illogical rantings? Yes, Im totally off base by aggreeing with an entire R&D department for SONY and every player who isnt a crusader subclass.  Yes your so right.</DIV><p>Message Edited by xripperx on <span class=date_text>02-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:07 PM</span>

[PauseLi]

<blockquote><hr>xripperx wrote:<DIV>It was a welcome bug fix.</DIV><DIV>Illogical rantings? Yes, Im totally off base by aggreeing with an entire R&D department for SONY and every player who isnt a crusader subclass. Yes your so right.<hr></blockquote><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<DIV>The effect of the horses is not such that it gives knights a game-imbalancing advantage, and we see no benefit in taking a minor perk away from a couple classes just to satisfy someone else.<hr></blockquote>Yup, looks like you have the entire dev department behind you...oh wait, you dont. This was brought about because enough people complained, not because the devs thought it needed to be done.