Are all Adept 3s worthless?

[Turkeyme]

<DIV>This is only somewhat of a re-hash on the issue from the spells/abilities forum but... I got Adept 3 Consume Vitiae and Infernal Pact and I regret wasting the rare component badly.  The biggest thing they seem to have improved on was how well they drain my power; at a little over 1k power at 28, it does 1/2 to 2/3 a bubble of power each cast. That is frickin absurd, an app3 or 4 would have been more efficient. Trying to hold hate and use these spells makes HUGE downtime for my group because of the power drain at these levels. when i re-gear at 30 it will hardly make that big of a differnce and the spells will still suck anyways.  My lifetap lands for over 110 but only gives me 64 health??? What the hell?  And Infernal Pact is supposed to last 30 seconds but disappears after 2 or 3 hits versus yellow and white cons......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My question is, are any adept 3s worth  a [FaarNerfed!]? After reading our bugged spell section I'm not sure I even want to play, let alone waste lots of gold on those rare t4 and t5 rare-as-hell harvests for my spells at 30+</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Until, for the love of god, game devs decide to fix these crappy yet costly-as-hell upgrades dont waste your money or your rare component making these spells, in my not so humble opinion..  Sell it and buy some furnature for your house or something.  :smileymad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tjudawos - 28 Iksar Shadow Knight</DIV><p>Message Edited by Turkeymeat on <span class=date_text>02-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:15 AM</span>

[DrAtla]

I would only get an adept 3 for a spell/ability that you can't find an adept 1 for. Never upgrade to adept 3 from adept 1, but I would say if it's a useful spell, apprentice 4 to adept 3 would be a good investment.

[Hicar]

<DIV>I don't know exactly how much benefit you get from upgrades at each levels. It's hard to get numbers. But i would say that upgrades aren't at full effectivness before the spell is full masterised, i e gray. At lvl 28, and Consume Vitae (Adept I) i got roughly 50 hp back. I am lvl 35 now, and get somthing like 65 or 68 hp back. So, at lvl 28, you have roughly the same numbers as me at lvl 35, it's not so bad. </DIV> <DIV>This spell is just not desined to replace a healer or to be used in each fights. But i can say that, used along with painbringer (adept I) (another 3X) heal and the training ward (roughly adept II), it has prevented me from dieing some times now, in those situation where both the mob and my healers are oom, or when mobs pass several attacks through my defenses in a raw. It's just a spell i don't use dayly because of its cost, just on bad situations, to give time to healers, or in solo when i get an add.</DIV>

[Bannon]

<DIV>My APP4 infernal pack Stops 302 damage.  I've sat there and got hit on purpose to add it all up.   On yello conned mobs to me...thats about 1 good hit.  About 2 normal swings.   At adept 3, and level 28, I'm guessing your adept 3 of infernal pact is absorbing 50 more damage than mine.  A bout equivilent to the level 30 training for the ward.  Once infernal pact caps out at like level 33 I think it is....yours will probably be stopping about 400 damage, would be my best guestimate.  Where as for me, I wont be stopping 400 damage until almost level 40 =P.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And consume Vitae....I have adept 1, at level 30 I absorb 59 health back from the lifetap.  You get more than me and 2 levels lower.  Yours will get alot stronger...also mine didnt start regularly hitting over 100 untill level 29 and 30.  So, I'd say all spells are definately worth upgrading...</DIV>

[vwlsskng]

<DIV>As far as I'm concerned, the best thing to do with a rare component is sell it for as much as you can and put your earnings back into gear upgrades, especially if you're a fast leveler.</DIV>

[Baelzharon]

I'm an alchemist and a sk and decided I would make Decree of Decay Adept III for myself and imagine my surprise when I got a Server Discovery... My question is now, is Decree of Decay an effective enough taunt to upgrade to Adept III? I find it absolutely laughable that I am the ONLY Shadow Knight on Neriak to have this spell. I hope I didn't blow a Jasper on it when I could have used it on a better spell.PS: I have 1 more Jasper, so what would be the 2nd best 20-29 spell that would benifit from being upgraded to Adept III?

[Shadame]

Yes. You will use the hell out of decree until you get your next one at lvl 36 or so.

[vwlsskng]

<DIV>What does the message say when you make a server discovery?</DIV>

[megatra]

<DIV>i don't waste my money on adept 3's. all my spells are app4 and adept1. i just don't see the logic in spending the amount of gold on 1 spell that i could use to buy a full suit of armor. however if i luck up on mining one myself you know i will get one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i am level 37 and my whole line of spells are effective and get the job done for me. when i get to level 50 and have the money to throw away, sure i will get a few. but will probably have some master drops by then.</DIV><p>Message Edited by megatraum on <span class=date_text>02-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:50 AM</span>

[Seolta]

<DIV>IMO long duration buffs and taunts are the first choice for upgrading...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Buffs, becuase you only have to cast them once every few hours so the increased power usage isnt really an issue while the upgraded stats are ALWAYS benefitting you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taunts,  because we simply need every advantage we can get when dealing with aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as the rest go, I havent upgraded anything but taunts to Adept3 yet, but I plan to upgrade all my 40-50 spells as soon as i can. I have one rhodium so far and i'm saving it for Malevolent Circle(the Lucan's Pact upgrade).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In most cases i'd agree with Megatraum, it's not REALLY that important to upgrade to adept3 till you get to 40-50 where you should get several months of use out of those spells.</DIV>

[Cast]

<DIV>I found the rare needed to make an adept 3 of Harm Touch. Raised the damage by over 300 for it at level 34. The upgrade to HT doesnt even come close when I had app 3 or adept 1 for it. </DIV>

[Kilo]

<blockquote><hr>Shadamehr wrote:Yes. You will use the hell out of decree until you get your next one at lvl 36 or so.<hr></blockquote>Actually, the upgrade to Decree of Decay comes at 45 with Insidious Whisper. Shriek of Terror is an upgrade to Shout, if that's the talent you were thinking about. Insidious Whisper is beaten out by Zarn's Plague Cloud in terms of hate generation, though. Unless they changed Decree to be AE, I haven't used it in a couple months.You really don't need to upgrade any skills to Adept 3. You'll be able to find adepts of all the final upgrades to our spell on the broker easily with a bit of perserverance(and you'll find some of them during your final grind in the same places over and over), probably will start getting easier and easier also.

[Baelzharon]

Well I hit 22.6 last night and scribed Decree of Decay Adept III. It is an AE taunt and boy does it work well. It is on the same timer as the AE Taunt skill that replaced Shout in the teens (Training option). More then once when group mobs agroed the wrong party member I could get the whole group with just 1 cast.

[Kanfo]

Decree *is* replaced at 36 by SoT. SoT adds to it the benefit of disease and poison resist debuff.

[Tsimhno]

I was so freaking lucky the last 2 days... a Palladium Cluster and a Rough Jasper.