Shadowknights vs Berserkers - DPS?

[Hurdoc]

<DIV> <DIV>I realize that DPS amongst Berserkers has changed recently given the recent "hotfix" but I was wondering whether Berserkers do more DPS than Shadowknights? I'm not comparing Paladins because I assume Shadowknights are the offensive version of the hybrid tanks, and Brawlers don't wear plate (which looks cool!)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I assume Berserkers USED to do a lot more, but how about now?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I apologize in advance but I may be cross-posting this question... I'm trying to decide what class to be. Thanks for and help you can give! :smileyhappy:</DIV></DIV>

[Coercit]

Hello,1 - SK aren't hybrids, there is no hybrid in EQ2 if I remember well. We are a real class, with its own abilities and restrictions.2 - dmg output aren't even close if you compare SK and Zerk. Zerk is way above us, no question here.3 - dmg output of Pals and SK are almost the same, SK btw have many offensive spells when Pals are mainly defensive.Keep in mind I play on French Server, thus patch isn't even live for us atm (well, sounds like a good thing since patch was mostly a bug granter) but I fail to see how this could have change in such a way where we weren't even comparable and yet we are ?

[Urg]

"Common knowledge" has it that berserkers outdamage SKs. According to my parsing though, as an SK I tend to consistently outdamage berserkers, pre-patch and post level 40. They do get a slight DPS advantage though when it comes to multiple mobs as their AEs are very good. I haven't compared myself to an equal level Paladin, but I doubt their DPS is as high as ours.

[Coercit]

Do you use common weapon ? At equal stuff, every Zerk I know clearly outdmg me, from very far...I'm only lvl 30 btw...

[Urg]

Been using a mercenary greatsword for the past few levels, which isn't that rare. It could be that at 30 a berserker outdamages us, but have you parsed this to be sure? I have noticed as I level the class is transitioning to a role with heavier DPS - at 40 for example we get a 10 second recast, 300 damage (at adept 1) nuke.

[Coercit]

I can't parse anything since I can't see my own dmg in chat window, whatever I chose to see or not in chat options. I can only rely on weapon stats and abilities to compare both classes.The simple fact I can't use Zerk weapons is enought said, he can use mine without any exception, he can also dual wield (which is heavy dps but lesser tanking ability). Keep in mind I am only lvl 30 (I know you know <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) and that patch isn't live yet on my server (well...1 week later doesn't seem really fair but there were so many bugs I won't complain).I would really like to be able to parse it...

[Urg]

Well, you should parse and see how things actually are. Parsers work on the text file log which everything is written to; it's irrelevant what's on your chat windows. One's called combat stats monitor or something, look for a link on the combat forum.

[Rylight]

<DIV>out dps a zerker?? I think not, I am a lvl 29 sk and fought along a zerker using the same naruis pirate greatsword he was using. his attack on the sword was higher then mine and he hit alot faster then me. however we balance out dps when you realize we get dots. if you keep your dot on then you can do alot more damage per tick. still the zerker will always and should always have more dps then us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> i have no problem with the zerker out DPSing me considering i get dots and a pet. plus defensive wards.</DIV>

[IBSomnifer]

If you guys don't stop this talk right now...we are going to get nerfed. Serkers just got the hell beat out of them by devs...you want them to take a bite out of us as well? Please...just keep you parsers and tales of plunder low key. SoE is just itching to "correct" classes to make them "as they intended". I thought people would ahve understood this by now.

[RogueS]

<DIV>um....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our damage sucks...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even the Clerics are out DPSing us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Power for self ward is to high making spell useless   !</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Boost our class !</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There...</DIV>

[lanjk]

Urgha, we cannot parse on Storms since the chat windows and the log file have the damages reporting lines cut just before the damage number. All we see is "You hit for" (the french version of it, that is) and no dmg.We can, however, see the damages from spells and fighting styles, which are correctly displayed/written to file.I don't know if they have the same problem in german.

[Urg]

<blockquote><hr>IBSomnifer wrote:If you guys don't stop this talk right now...we are going to get nerfed. <hr></blockquote>If SOE are incapable of figuring out how much damage one class does compared to another... they're morons.

[vwlsskng]

<DIV>Any way you slice it, we are defined by a hybrid theory, whether or not the game labels it as such.</DIV>

[Jarl]

<DIV>How do you figure we are a Hybrid in EQ2?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are a variation of a warrior that has reduced melee in exchange for spells.  But our spell line is not a sub-set of any other class as it was in EQ1 and our skills past 10 are not a sub-set to any other class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To be a hybrid we would need to be parts of two different classes added together to be 1.  What classes are we a part of?</DIV>

[vwlsskng]

<DIV>I said in theory. The class was originally defined as by taking elements of the Necromancer (i.e., DoTs, lifetaps) and elements of the Warrior (i.e., heavy armour, taunt). The class, in EQ2, is simply a child of that parent. The lines have been blurred, but that's how it is.</DIV>