combat arts that dont come from trainer or AA

[Carouz]

<DIV>70 bruiser</DIV> <DIV>is there a list somewhere of all the combat arts available to bruisers that dont come from a trainer or from AA, along with an indication of where they r awarded?</DIV> <DIV>am aware of devestation fist</DIV> <DIV>and remember seeing a taunt (i think) in a vendor's list in Splitpaw</DIV> <DIV>but r there other combat arts that i am unaware of that would be useful at lvl 70?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shock</DIV> <DIV>Bazaar</DIV>

[Thoral]

I would like to see this info, too!<div></div>

[tt66]

<div></div>Well, the sticky <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=12210">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=12210</a> has pretty much everything that I know of. If you discount the standard trainer ones, AA ca's, and the three ancient teachings (Stone Deaf, Close Mind and Sonic Fists), then the only other ones I'm aware of are :Devastation FistCorpse CrushGoading Gesture (the splitpaw taunt)how useful corpse crush is at lvl 70, I couldn't say. I guess it might help in Castle Mistmoore?<div></div>

[Thoral]

<div><blockquote><hr>tt66 wrote:<div></div>Well, the sticky <a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=12210">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=12210</a> has pretty much everything that I know of. If you discount the standard trainer ones, AA ca's, and the three ancient teachings (Stone Deaf, Close Mind and Sonic Fists), then the only other ones I'm aware of are :Devastation FistCorpse CrushGoading Gesture (the splitpaw taunt)how useful corpse crush is at lvl 70, I couldn't say. I guess it might help in Castle Mistmoore?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Thanks.  I have Devastation Fist, but not the other two.  I could always use more taunting, and I'm about to have to kill 25 vampires in Castle Mistmoore for my Rallos Zek cloak, so I suppose I should get the other two.Thanks!</div>

[Kaedi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ekopocka wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> tt66 wrote:<BR> Well, the sticky <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=12210" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=12210</A> has pretty much everything that I know of. If you discount the standard trainer ones, AA ca's, and the three ancient teachings (Stone Deaf, Close Mind and Sonic Fists), then the only other ones I'm aware of are :<BR><BR>Devastation Fist<BR>Corpse Crush<BR>Goading Gesture (the splitpaw taunt)<BR><BR>how useful corpse crush is at lvl 70, I couldn't say. I guess it might help in Castle Mistmoore?<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks.  I have Devastation Fist, but not the other two.  I could always use more taunting, and I'm about to have to kill 25 vampires in Castle Mistmoore for my Rallos Zek cloak, so I suppose I should get the other two.<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>FWIW Goading Gesture is on the same timer as Pressure.  Also whereas it does have a 10% chance to double the hate increase, GG did not trigger a skillup in Aggression which infers that it does not use said skill.  One neat effect is that the hate generation scales as you level from 25-70.  I believe the hate amount was equivalent to an Adept3 of Pressure, but the possibilty that Aggression is not used troubles me.

[Profezz]

AD3 Pressure Increases Threat to target by 985-1205 Goading Gesture Increases Threat to target by 970-1185 with a 10% chance to double the amount of hate increase.<div></div>

[Madmoon]

<P>Yah - but none of those'll help a 70 bruiser, except Devastation Fist.</P> <P>There are, of course, the Ancient Teaching CAs from DoF, but most, if not all, can be found on a broker.  There just are no Ap4 versions, only crafted Ad3 or dropped Ad1 and Masters.</P>

[tt66]

<blockquote><hr>ekopocka wrote:<div>Thanks.  I have Devastation Fist, but not the other two.  I could always use more taunting, and I'm about to have to kill 25 vampires in Castle Mistmoore for my Rallos Zek cloak, so I suppose I should get the other two.Thanks!</div><hr></blockquote>Honestly, Devastation Fist is the only one you really need. Very useful for soloing the Rallos Zek quest, btw. Pull the lvl 73mobs in offensive stance (nothing hurts more than a missed DF), fist, wash and repeat. You'll probably be able to kill them when you have KO combo up as well.

[Thoral]

<div><blockquote><hr>tt66 wrote:<blockquote><hr>ekopocka wrote:<div>Thanks.  I have Devastation Fist, but not the other two.  I could always use more taunting, and I'm about to have to kill 25 vampires in Castle Mistmoore for my Rallos Zek cloak, so I suppose I should get the other two.Thanks!</div><hr></blockquote>Honestly, Devastation Fist is the only one you really need. Very useful for soloing the Rallos Zek quest, btw. Pull the lvl 73mobs in offensive stance (nothing hurts more than a missed DF), fist, wash and repeat. You'll probably be able to kill them when you have KO combo up as well. <hr></blockquote>Awesome, I am about to try that later today I think.</div>

[Madmoon]

<P>I don't think you get it :smileyhappy:  Splitpaw CAs don't upgrade.  I have the Vampire/Heal CA.  Grey to me at 66, won't touch any of the Mistmoore vampires.  Meant for level range 25-35.  Same with Goading Gesture.  Friend of mine, 50th, has it, annd it's grey.  Gets resisted all the time.  When they say it shares the same timer as Pressure, they mean the Pressure line.  People always refer to the end-of-the-line CA or spell (shrug.)  Do them, at 70, if you wish, but you won't put them on your hot bar.</P> <P>Dev. Fist is worth it, but NOT worth doing that long, long, l-o-n-g Nektulos adventure pack (I know, I did,) just to buy it off the vendor there.  It is craftable, and any 35+ alchemist can make an App4 for you, maybe 10 gold, or look on the broker.  Be careful!  App4 is the same as Master1, when you scribe it, so don't pay 10 plat for the beast.  It used to be that player made was only Adept 3, and those cost, but now I can make App4s, as can other alchies.</P> <P>Redmouser<BR>Bruiser, AB</P>

[Madmoon]

<DIV>Although <EM>this</EM> guy seems to indicate GG does upgrade... I dunno.  Someone correct me :smileyhappy:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Profezzor wrote:<BR>AD3 Pressure Increases Threat to target by 985-1205 <BR><BR>Goading Gesture Increases Threat to target by 970-1185 with a 10% chance to double the amount of hate increase.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>

[Kaedi]

GG scales with level.  I have not noticed it get resisted any more or less than the normal level appropriate fighter taunts.  I have it both on my bruiser and shadow knight. /shrug

[Devast]

goading gesture does indeed scale with level and has the same level of resist at 20 as it does at 70. now what someone posted above where it does not use the new aggression skill might be accounting for the fact it gets resisted more often. dont forget that the chance for it to get resisted is greater than that of the ad3 or master version of pressure. i rely on my master pressure because it gets resisted far less often and deals more hate than GG, the 10% chance isnt reliable enough to use. i would still suggest using pressure if you have an ad3 or master, because those two are far more reliable than GG at 70.<div></div>