visualizing avoidance

[Carouz]

<DIV>70 bruiser</DIV> <DIV>avoidance has been much on my mind since the last LU</DIV> <DIV>i picture bruisers as trained martial artists</DIV> <DIV>we have developed our reflexes to the point where we can make our opponents miss</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but lately that picture doesnt seem to hold water</DIV> <DIV>i am told that a tower shield increases a plate tank's avoidance</DIV> <DIV>how can that be?</DIV> <DIV>surely the shield slows the tank down, making it harder to avoid a blow</DIV> <DIV>a tower shield should give mitigation but not avoidance, it isnt logical</DIV> <DIV>if it gives avoidance, then we should be able to equip one</DIV> <DIV>or better yet, we should be allowed to pick up a plate tank and use them as a shield <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and i am told that mages have higher avoidance than bruisers</DIV> <DIV>how can that be?</DIV> <DIV>as we labor to master martial arts, a mage labors to master magic</DIV> <DIV>they have no time to develop their reflexes too</DIV> <DIV>if they did, it would seem to imply that we have time to learn magic</DIV> <DIV>so what's next?  do we get spells in the next LU?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>anyway, my point is that if tower shields add avoidance and mages have higher base avoidance than bruisers, i no longer understand what avoidance is</DIV> <DIV>the concept no longer makes sense to me</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so i guess this post is a request for the devs to rethink these recent avoidance changes</DIV> <DIV>remove avoidance from tower shields</DIV> <DIV>reduce the avoidance of mages</DIV> <DIV>restore avoidance to something that makes sense</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and this is not a shot at users of tower shields or mages</DIV> <DIV>if they need help, the devs should provide it</DIV> <DIV>but make it sensible help</DIV> <DIV>increase the mit on shields</DIV> <DIV>give mages a protection spell</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shock</DIV> <DIV>Bazaar</DIV>

[Novusod]

<div></div>It doesn't make much sence to me either. In reality it is because brawlers are gimped to hades. There have just been too many nerfs and now the class is broken. I have a level 46 Bruiser alt and he is gimped despite being a level locked twink. Avoidence tanking does not really work. It is only through timed use of stuns and interupts and a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good healer that I can stay alive against yellow con heroics.<div></div>

[Thoral]

<div><blockquote><hr>Novuso wrote:<div></div>It doesn't make much sence to me either. In reality it is because brawlers are gimped to hades. There have just been too many nerfs and now the class is broken. I have a level 46 Bruiser alt and he is gimped despite being a level locked twink. Avoidence tanking does not really work. It is only through timed use of stuns and interupts and a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good healer that I can stay alive against yellow con heroics.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Even-con heroic encounters are not meant to be soloed.  If you only need one healer for you to take on a yellow con heroic, you are making the case that bruisers are in fact excellent solo fighters.</div>

[kittypack]

I want one thing from SoE.. A very high uncontested base avoidance, so that avoidance tanking is equal to that of mitigation tanking. That is all.

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kittypacker wrote:<BR> I want one thing from SoE.. A very high uncontested base avoidance, so that avoidance tanking is equal to that of mitigation tanking. That is all.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>every bruisers pipe dream

[Novusod]

<div><blockquote><hr>ekopocka wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Novuso wrote:<div></div>It doesn't make much sence to me either. In reality it is because brawlers are gimped to hades. There have just been too many nerfs and now the class is broken. I have a level 46 Bruiser alt and he is gimped despite being a level locked twink. Avoidence tanking does not really work. It is only through timed use of stuns and interupts and a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good healer that I can stay alive against yellow con heroics.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Even-con heroic encounters are not meant to be soloed.  If you only need one healer for you to take on a yellow con heroic, you are making the case that bruisers are in fact excellent solo fighters.</div><hr></blockquote>I never soloed anything more than a green con heroic. I am talking about tanking for a full group yellow con dungeons. I really don't like soloing and rather group 80% of the time but it is on rare ocasions I get invited to groups and rarer still that I am the group's main tank. </div>

[Thoral]

<div><blockquote><hr>Novuso wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>ekopocka wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Novuso wrote:<div></div>It doesn't make much sence to me either. In reality it is because brawlers are gimped to hades. There have just been too many nerfs and now the class is broken. I have a level 46 Bruiser alt and he is gimped despite being a level locked twink. Avoidence tanking does not really work. It is only through timed use of stuns and interupts and a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good healer that I can stay alive against yellow con heroics.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Even-con heroic encounters are not meant to be soloed.  If you only need one healer for you to take on a yellow con heroic, you are making the case that bruisers are in fact excellent solo fighters.</div><hr></blockquote>I never soloed anything more than a green con heroic. I am talking about tanking for a full group yellow con dungeons. I really don't like soloing and rather group 80% of the time but it is on rare ocasions I get invited to groups and rarer still that I am the group's main tank. </div><hr></blockquote>Oh, my bad.</div>