Callous Stomp AA Enhancement Working?

[Carouz]

<DIV>haven't been spending my AA the past few days as i've debated enhancing taunts vs damage</DIV> <DIV>this morning i decided to go the damage route, so spent 5 AA points improving Callous Stomp's damage by 25%</DIV> <DIV>was the first time i've invested AA in damage, so was curious to witness the change</DIV> <DIV>immediately went out and killed greens for about an hour</DIV> <DIV>what i saw didn't match my expectation</DIV> <DIV>i was using Steel Fist and Callous Stomp in combination to get the higher already knocked down damage from Callous Stomp</DIV> <DIV>both combat arts are Master 1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>what i expected to see was Callous Stomp doing damage that fell in a range 25% higher than the combat art's normal (pre AA-enhanced) range</DIV> <DIV>but i didn't</DIV> <DIV>Callous Stomp never once hit for more than the maximum value in it's normal (pre AA-enhanced) damage range</DIV> <DIV>and it often hit for less than 25% more than the minimum value in it's normal (pre AA-enhanced) damage range</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i opened my chat log and had a look</DIV> <DIV>the following is a typical clip from the log</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(1166807544)[Fri Dec 22 12:12:24 2006] You start fighting.<BR>(1166807545)[Fri Dec 22 12:12:25 2006] YOUR Steel Fist hits a nightblood invader for 382 crushing damage.<BR>(1166807545)[Fri Dec 22 12:12:25 2006] A nightblood invader is stunned!<BR>(1166807545)[Fri Dec 22 12:12:25 2006] A nightblood invader is smacked with a fierce punch.<BR>(1166807545)[Fri Dec 22 12:12:25 2006] YOU hit a nightblood invader for 484 crushing damage.<BR>(1166807546)[Fri Dec 22 12:12:26 2006] YOUR Callous Stomp hits a nightblood invader for 1372 crushing damage.<BR>(1166807546)[Fri Dec 22 12:12:26 2006] A nightblood invader is violently crashed into.<BR>(1166807547)[Fri Dec 22 12:12:27 2006] A nightblood invader is no longer stunned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so i am assuming the 5th line above is reporting a separate hit's damage that the AA-enhanced Callous Stomp is now automatically generating</DIV> <DIV>is that correct?</DIV> <DIV>and if it's correct, i find it odd that the 25% is based on a separate roll, as opposed to being 25% of the damage done by Callous Stomp in the following line</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so, am i interpreting this correctly?</DIV> <DIV>or am i out to lunch? (quite possible, played til 3am last night)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shock</DIV> <DIV>70 Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>Bazaar</DIV>

[Zelkova]

I would say that 5th line is an autoattack swing... but I wouldn't know if you have those filtered out or not.<div></div>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

How are you doing your comparisons?Because last I recall, putting the point into the AA increases the damage listed. After you've put the point in, your damage just goes up, that's it. And considering it has nearly a 600 point variance (without crits), it'd be kinda hard to tell just from parses alone if you are doing more damage. Short of getting a massive sample, like hundreds of attacks.<div></div>

[Carouz]

<P>i did hundreds in a row against green targets so i could concentrate on repeating exactly the same arts without worrying about details like dying <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>naturally i didnt have room to insert thousands of lines of saved chat log, but i did read them</P> <P>and never did Callous Stomp hit for more than the stated maximum in the combat art</P> <P>and it often hit for close to the minimum</P> <P>in other words, am not seeing ANY effect from the 5 AA points spent, unless the 5th line in my original post is an attack generated by the AA enhancement</P> <P> </P> <P>Shock</P> <P>70 Bruiser</P> <P>Bazaar</P>

[DisturbedMagg]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Carouz wrote:<BR> <P>i did hundreds in a row against green targets so i could concentrate on repeating exactly the same arts without worrying about details like dying <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>naturally i didnt have room to insert thousands of lines of saved chat log, but i did read them</P> <P>and never did Callous Stomp hit for more than the stated maximum in the combat art</P> <P>and it often hit for close to the minimum</P> <P>in other words, am not seeing ANY effect from the 5 AA points spent, unless the 5th line in my original post is an attack generated by the AA enhancement</P> <P> </P> <P>Shock</P> <P>70 Bruiser</P> <P>Bazaar</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Im pretty sure its working fine, but i'll check and post back once im home in a few hours.</DIV>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<div><blockquote><hr>Carouz wrote:<div></div> <p>and never did Callous Stomp hit for more than the stated maximum in the combat art</p> <p>and it often hit for close to the minimum</p><hr></blockquote>Um. The AA increases your stated maximum. <i>It will never go over the stated maximum</i> because of the AA because all it's doing is <i>increasing the stated maximum</i>.I'm saying you would have to NOT have the AA's, do a bunch of parses, and then put the AA's in and do a bunch of parses and see the difference between the two sets.But all you have to do is watch your stated maximum when you put the points in. It goes up. Simple as that.</div>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raidi Sovin'faile wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR><BR><BR>Um. The AA increases your stated maximum. <I>It will never go over the stated maximum</I> because of the AA because all it's doing is <I>increasing the stated maximum</I>.<BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Garamond size=5>Yeah.</FONT><BR>

[JamesRay]

<P>Yes these things are a bit tricky...you have to note what the stats were before you even put the points in.</P> <P>I know I put a few points into increasing the ignore agony line and each time I did it the stated max changed by 2% or whatever it was.</P>

[Madmoon]

Same with me, RE: Ignore Agony.  I used to mash it around 60%, to get back to max, or near max, health.  Now, I wait until 35-40.

[Carouz]

<P>thanks all, your responses r indeed correct</P> <P>as an experiment, i added one AA point to another damage art</P> <P>i examined the art before adding the point, and again after adding the point</P> <P>and as per your posts, the art's stated damage increases when the point is added</P> <P>i guess i would have preferred it to display more like an adornment, showing both the base damage range (pre AA) and the additional damage range provided by the AA in a different color (to make it obvious that the art has been enhanced without having to examine the AA tree)</P> <P>and i was thrown off by the fact that when i checked a copy of the art on the market (to compare it against mine), i saw the same damage range as my copy of the art, when i expected the art on the market to show the pre AA damage range</P> <P>but now i can see that it is working fine</P> <P> </P> <P>Shock</P> <P>Bazaar</P>

[Ishya]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Carouz wrote:<BR> <P> </P> <P>i guess i would have preferred it to display more like an adornment, showing both the base damage range (pre AA) and the additional damage range provided by the AA in a different color (to make it obvious that the art has been enhanced without having to examine the AA<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>thats almost impossible, because strenght adds to the damage aswell</DIV>