Mantis Bolt

[Israphil]

Hey, anyone have numbers on how significantly Mantis Bolt affects your dps? Trying to decide whether it should be a first priority, and thus be respecced to, or to stick with melee crits. I need a number though; not simply a "go with crits" or "go with mantis bolt."Also, with the changes to procs in the revamped combat system, is it true that proc rate is standardized by the weapon's delay prior to haste being taken into effect? Like, a weapon with a base delay of 3.0 will proc at 40% chance, regardless of how often it's actually swinging?Thanks in advance.<div></div>

[Prothos]

Some information I would love also if anyone has the numbers.

[Illustrious]

<P>Also, with the changes to procs in the revamped combat system, is it true that proc rate is standardized by the weapon's delay prior to haste being taken into effect? Like, a weapon with a base delay of 3.0 will proc at 40% chance, regardless of how often it's actually swinging?<BR><BR></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P>pre EoF they were normalised for a 3 sec swing, so a 10% proc on a 3 sec weapon would on average proc 1 time every 10 swings (or 1 time every30 secs). With 100% haste  the % would be the same ie 1 proc every 10 swings but now you are swinging 2 times as fast so its now 1 proc every 15 second.</P> <P> </P> <P>After EoF weapons say how often per minute they will proc on average. 1.8 times per minute seems to the the most common, but with 100% haste mod that will basically be doubled so 3.6 procs per minute with 100% haste. The mechanics are probably now exactly the same, its just that its more obvious when u read the description as too how often it will proc.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Dont have any numbers on Mantis bolt vs Crits, but ive tried most combinations and crits are better than mantis bolt imo. Its 10pp to respec now tho so wont be doing more changes again too quickly. Anyways if u going dps then the best  bet is most likely 4,4,8 int,wis,sta in which case you get both.</P><p>Message Edited by Illustrious on <span class=date_text>12-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:37 PM</span>

[neon_24]

ok i got some numbers for you guys but ya'll gotta do the math thats not my cup of teathese are from runs thru Freethinkers Hideout only the named encountersfor weapons i am useing Fist of Bashing in primary and Bonetooth Skewer in secondary                   named #1 [02:30]Mantis Bolttotal dmg: 2783, procs 12named #2 [03:07]Mantis Bolttotal dmg: 3207 procs 14named #3 [06:22]Mantis Bolttotal dmg: 5067 procs 24named #4 [07:58]Mantis Bolttotal dmg: 7059 procs 30<div></div>

[Cozumel]

Looks like its proc'ing about 3.5x / minute<div></div>

[DisturbedMagg]

<DIV>It does proc very good, i did prevous to EOF have crane twirl (Think thats the name AOE proc ) and mantis proc's a hell of alot more. Ill get some numbers from raid zones when i start raiding again sometime next week if you still want them. </DIV>

[Zelkova]

Rank 8, over the course of a Deathtoll raid.Total combined damage  - 2558884Mantis Bolt  - 46541for comparison:Calamity Thrash - 57490Normal autoattack - 895534Unless my math is way off (which is quite possible) it's a bit less than 1.9% total damage in this example.<div></div>

[Prothos]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P><IMG height=22 alt="Quote Post" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/global/post_quote.gif" width=22 border=0></P> <P>Rank 8, over the course of a Deathtoll raid.<BR><BR>Total combined damage  - 2558884<BR><BR>Mantis Bolt  - 46541<BR><BR>for comparison:<BR><BR>Calamity Thrash - 57490<BR><BR>Normal autoattack - 895534<BR><BR>Unless my math is way off (which is quite possible) it's a bit less than 1.9% total damage in this example.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P>Been in such a debate.  Thinking of going agil line in and not sure which would be better to give up if I did.  (Crits or Bolt)</P> <P>1.9% of your total output seems so low.</P>

[Zelkova]

<div><blockquote><hr>Prothos wrote:<div></div> <div> <hr></div><p></p><p>Been in such a debate.  Thinking of going agil line in and not sure which would be better to give up if I did.  (Crits or Bolt)</p> <p>1.9% of your total output seems so low.</p><hr></blockquote>I would suggest dropping Bolt if you're going for damage. I'm finding the Crits + Recast speed build I use now to be very healthy for DPS. Only problem I have is with power regen from spamming so many combat arts, and such a lack of flowing thought items (I have a few pieces but the bangle from Mutagenic Outcast is the only one that's practical to wear).</div>

[Ameniel]

<DIV>OP: Get both, but if you're trying to decide between the two, go crits all the way. I don't have any numbers , but from just observation having tried both, crits are way better for overall dmg. Regardless of how often mantis bolt procs, the dmg is small. Crits affect not only your autoattack but also CAs, and can up your dps by a lot. Couple it with STR line(if you don't have t7 fabled wepns) and you will do some huge dps.</DIV>

[eyes007]

you can get 100% crit on int line if u get knocked down to 30%, i know it sucks that you need to be under 30% health, but u can save urself by casting ur mit buff for a total of 2100 extra mit after your total static mit. In pre -eof that came anywhere near 7k-8k mit, outdoing most plate tanks. Put that with the Rallos Zek cloak (proc 1 time 14% dps and...something else lol) you are a killing machine!

[Ameniel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> eyes007 wrote:<BR> you can get 100% crit on int line if u get knocked down to 30%, i know it sucks that you need to be under 30% health, but u can save urself by casting ur mit buff for a total of 2100 extra mit after your total static mit. In pre -eof that came anywhere near 7k-8k mit, outdoing most plate tanks. Put that with the Rallos Zek cloak (proc 1 time 14% dps and...something else lol) you are a killing machine!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Where do you get that cloak btw?  *droool...

[eyes007]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Doomhand wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> eyes007 wrote:<BR> you can get 100% crit on int line if u get knocked down to 30%, i know it sucks that you need to be under 30% health, but u can save urself by casting ur mit buff for a total of 2100 extra mit after your total static mit. In pre -eof that came anywhere near 7k-8k mit, outdoing most plate tanks. Put that with the Rallos Zek cloak (proc 1 time 14% dps and...something else lol) you are a killing machine!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Where do you get that cloak btw?  *droool...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Woops sory buddy, been sick last couple of days (sick enuff not to check forums, not sick enuff to play eq2). It's the Rallos Zek Deity Questline, pretty easy, but you have to be evil (well derr) and you have to be a bruiser cos no other melee deserve it! OK don't have to be bruiser <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> so I checked it last night, 14%dps and a damage pro with dot, something like 256 with 60 every 4 secs i think, magic I believe) I just added a power regen 3 to it, and a 10% dps to my neck item, so now i have 35% dp standard and 49% on proc.<BR>