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[2Ligit]

<DIV>I have not played my bruiser much anymore after these changes but the other I logged him in to do some random quests for AA exp.  One of these quests where lvl 26 and I am lvl 48.  I had to kill a grey lvl 26 heroic mob.... by the time i finally killed the grey mob my health was half gone! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can someone please tell me why a mob over 20 levels under me can take that much damage from me?  I cannot even hit a mob that is 3 or 4 levels above me.  I guess the real question is why on earth would I want the grey and green mobs to be more challenging?  Seriously, what is wrong with these people?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Needless to say I guess I won't be playing my bruiser much anymore.  If I wanted to be DPS then I play my scout who does it better.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh well, just a rant I suppose, but seriously I cannot be the only one that feels this way.:smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Hun]

I think you should wear an armor. Then you should buff yourself. Ah and use your styles.I have no other explanation why you are so gimped ;P<div></div>

[Kram337]

haha never in short supply of a solid smart [Removed for Content] answer.If you want my opinion I'd say either maybe your skills are really low since they increased skill cap and you haven't played in a while.<div></div>

[ganjookie]

If your not going down the STR line equipping weapons as well as the first response about wearing armour and using your CA's should help quite a bit.:p<div></div>

[Risos]

<DIV>You werent using your health cost mitigation buff were you?  That thing'll half life you on its own.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tiifa</DIV>

[Ar]

Furthermore, lay off the manastone and other health transfer items ...<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Prothos]

<DIV>I think Bruiser is not the job for you.  Because thats pretty sad.</DIV>

[DarkMirrax]

<DIV><BR>Hmmmm solod a just grey named just to see and guess what i destroyed it with just auto attack and didnt get touched, you sir should stick to a scout methinks</DIV>

[LokiHellsson]

<P>Pre-LU29, a Bruiser could kill all names in SoS.  Post LU-29?  A Bruiser + Fury duo can take the Portal Guard and Bozar in SoS, but forget about most of the rest.  This is why Moorguard says it sucks to avoidance tank names  now.  It was done to stop the master drop farming by solo and duo teams.  To farm SoS names, you need a trio with a plate tank or a Conjuror + a Fury.  </P> <P>Ever inventive, the bruiser/monk farmers are now farming shiny's in Mistmoore.  They seek elusive silver spikes to sell to collectible fetishists for 25p.</P> <P> </P>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LokiHellsson wrote:<BR> <P>Pre-LU29, a Bruiser could kill all names in SoS.  Post LU-29?  A Bruiser + Fury duo can take the Portal Guard and Bozar in SoS, but forget about most of the rest.  This is why Moorguard says it sucks to avoidance tank names  now.  It was done to stop the master drop farming by solo and duo teams.  To farm SoS names, you need a trio with a plate tank or a Conjuror + a Fury. </P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>/what you on about ? thats not true sos is still my fav solo farm zone ..</FONT></P> <P>Ever inventive, the bruiser/monk farmers are now farming shiny's in Mistmoore.  They seek elusive silver spikes to sell to collectible fetishists for 25p.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>/ So ? you have a point ??</FONT></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>haha best of all an INQ saying a brusier cant solo <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> wooot !<BR></P>

[Hun]

Post LU-19 : Still clearing SoS solo. It's harder then before, indeed, but if you would stop whining and just play your buiser, you won't have a problem.And a little hint on the shinys : Just don't buy them <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[DisturbedMagg]

<DIV>Yeh bruiser seriosuly isnt your class if thats what happens to u.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im still clearing, sos,poa,nest(cept 2nd/lastnamed) forsaken city, Poets palace, errrr....hmmm.....and any named anywhere in between</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>O yeh, Vigorous Spirit owns you even out of combat now, (ok maybe not but u get the picture) so screw that off</DIV><p>Message Edited by DisturbedMaggot on <span class=date_text>12-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:22 PM</span>

[Devast]

id like to know how you clear nest except for last 2 named. i have never gotten the 2 before it below 55% without running out of power and or hp.<div></div>

[LokiHellsson]

<DIV> <P>>> haha best of all an INQ saying a brusier cant solo <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0> wooot ! <<</P> <P> </P> <P>I also run a 70 Bruiser.  Mine is not raid-equipped, just using Mastercrafted and Legendary stuff.  Ad3's and M1's about 50/50 on T7 CA's.</P> <P>Pre LU29, with my 70 Bruiser, I could take down any of the names in SoS.  Immediately after LU29, Tuunarz owned me, even dual-boxing a 68 Fury.  Maybe they've de-nerfed us since then, but I could do it pre LU29 and I could not do it post LU29.</P> <P><BR> </P></DIV>

[2Ligit]

<DIV>I think I didn't comment on it right.  My bruiser is 48 has all upgraded skills and wearing mastercrafted fist wraps and gear.  He also has 4-4-8 INT and 4-4-8 in WIS.  I am not concerned with raiding or farming names or whatever you guys are talking about.  All I want to do is log in when I can and level my bruiser by doing quests, get AA exp, and what not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I used to be able to log in when I can and pretty much take care of these dumb quests solo.  Now, after the LU29, there is next to no quest I can do at all.  Since that I felt the game has gotten stale.  I joined some groups in CT and noticed the green mobs there kill me in close to 6 hits.  It's not a matter of knowing how to play the class because, face it, as much as anyone would like to say how much strategy there is, it's pretty straight forward to play a fighter class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So here's my questions:</DIV> <DIV>1.  If I cannot hit a mob that is around 5 levels above me.. how can a mob over 20 levels under me hit me?  </DIV> <DIV>2.  At level 48, what quests are out there that I can do solo?  Seems every quest that is blue to me requires killing xx number of heroic mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the flip side, the green quests do not give any AA.  Yea, you can create another account and mentor him before turning in the quest that's great, I don't have that luxury of other accounts.  Yea, you can find a lower level to mentor, but they usually don't like that.  Even asking nicely some will say how they get so annoyed by higher levels asking them.  See where I'm getting at?  It is starting to go from  a fun game to stale and annoying.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by 2Ligit on <span class=date_text>12-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:12 AM</span>

[ganjookie]

Why don't you post a log of a few fights where you are loosing to a grey.  Its really hard to say whats up with what your giving us.<div></div>

[Luk]

I have no problems soloing with my lvl 51 bruiser, green heroics seem to take longer now and hit a bit harder, but they still die, I was even in Klak'anon soloing yesterday. Sorry to say this, but from what you have said about your toon, it doesn't sound like the problem is your toon, maybe its your playstyle and not being suited to the bruiser class.<blockquote><hr>It is starting to go from  a fun game to stale and annoying.</blockquote>as for this comment, allI can say is maybe its the server you are on, I never have problems with finding people that are friendly and helpful.<div></div>

[DisturbedMagg]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Devaster wrote:<BR>id like to know how you clear nest except for last 2 named. i have never gotten the 2 before it below 55% without running out of power and or hp.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>My first guess would probably gear undoubtably and masters. Always beena ble to and there still easy enough. Used to b able to kill second to last guy but not now. Well not atm anyway </P> <P> </P> <P>:smileyhappy:</P>

[DisturbedMagg]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 2Ligit wrote:<BR> <DIV>I think I didn't comment on it right.  My bruiser is 48 has all upgraded skills and wearing mastercrafted fist wraps and gear.  He also has 4-4-8 INT and 4-4-8 in WIS.  I am not concerned with raiding or farming names or whatever you guys are talking about.  All I want to do is log in when I can and level my bruiser by doing quests, get AA exp, and what not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I used to be able to log in when I can and pretty much take care of these dumb quests solo.  Now, after the LU29, there is next to no quest I can do at all.  Since that I felt the game has gotten stale.  I joined some groups in CT and noticed the green mobs there kill me in close to 6 hits.  It's not a matter of knowing how to play the class because, face it, as much as anyone would like to say how much strategy there is, it's pretty straight forward to play a fighter class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So here's my questions:</DIV> <DIV>1.  If I cannot hit a mob that is around 5 levels above me.. how can a mob over 20 levels under me hit me?  </DIV> <DIV>2.  At level 48, what quests are out there that I can do solo?  Seems every quest that is blue to me requires killing xx number of heroic mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the flip side, the green quests do not give any AA.  Yea, you can create another account and mentor him before turning in the quest that's great, I don't have that luxury of other accounts.  Yea, you can find a lower level to mentor, but they usually don't like that.  Even asking nicely some will say how they get so annoyed by higher levels asking them.  See where I'm getting at?  It is starting to go from  a fun game to stale and annoying.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by 2Ligit on <SPAN class=date_text>12-13-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:12 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I can udnerstand how frustrating it must be but, if you have high end Ca's and mastercrafted gear, then something is going wrong on your part. SOE might not be the best with bugs etc but ive never know one charater to be singled out for a bug as your describing. (Also note i aint saying its a bug, but easiest way of explaining it.)</P> <P>I'd agree with you posting some Logs.</P>

[Devast]

i am nearly all mastered except for stances and the t6 abilities, but they whatever isnt master is ad3. as for gear i have 2 pieces of the new pvp gear which is better than relic and rest is legendary. jewelry is all legendary/fabled equivalent. im still with the str AA line so that may be a loss since i cant throw 8 pts into deflection and parry.what can you get your avoidance to in defensive? i get mine up to about 64.5%. do you use kiting at all? i cant interrupt spells really much at all anymore since my only interrupts are mez and aoe taunt.i cant get past the 2nd anymore since eof and i used to be able to. i couldnt get past the first without extreme luck until the recent addition of the 15% base avoidance change they made. it helped a lot.<div></div>

[2Ligit]

<DIV>Hey all,  they must have secretly did some tweaking cause my bruiser seems a bit back to normal now.  I don't know what it was but I took all green heroic mobs and what not in CT without a problem at all.  I really wish they would test their crap before pushing it live and then having to sneaker net the fixes in.  Oh well, as long as it's fixed... all good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the quests, someone pointed me to do the solo timeline stuff outlined at <A href="http://www.eq2i.com/articles/Soloing_Timeline" target=_blank>http://www.eq2i.com/articles/Soloing_Timeline</A>.  This is definitely what I was looking for since most of the stuff I was picking up was not for solo/duo play.  This will definitely help, thanks.</DIV>

[Navino]

<div></div><i>"Pre-LU29, a Bruiser could kill all names in SoS.  Post LU-29?  A Bruiser + Fury duo can take the Portal Guard and Bozar in SoS, but forget about most of the rest.  This is why Moorguard says it sucks to avoidance tank names  now.  It was done to stop the master drop farming by solo and duo teams.  To farm SoS names, you need a trio with a plate tank or a Conjuror + a Fury. </i><p><i>Ever inventive, the bruiser/monk farmers are now farming shiny's in Mistmoore.  They seek elusive silver spikes to sell to collectible fetishists for 25p.</i></p><p><i> Inquisitor 70 / Sage 68"</i></p><div>...Correction.I, can solo almost every named in SOS, as I could before. They just take a little bit more effort than you think. I admit, im fabled equipped and I have alot of my masters etc. But still, it's about how you play the class. If you can't do a named in SOS past bozar with a fury or warden, 1) that's a crap healer 2) You're not very well equipped and 3) You should probably reconsider your class to a mage. They get beaten up alot more and alot faster.Pwned.</div><div></div>

[MakhailSamma]

<DIV>When I first started playing my Bruiser, if it could be stunned or mezzed, it died.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then they nerfed us a bit but with all fabled gear and masters I was able to solo yellow heroics, and with a lot of luck yellow named (see: Thorn and the butterfly thingy in PoA).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, I can solo green named and with some luch some blue named (though now I am very well equipped and have all master skills). </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, yes, we have taken a beating, but if your really having problems killing grey heroic mobs, re-examine your abilities, the timers, the stun durations, look at your skills to ensure they are all maxed, upgrade your combat arts, upgrade your armor, or try different stances cause your doing something wrong.</DIV>

[ganjookie]

<div><blockquote><hr>2Ligit wrote:<div>Hey all,  they must have secretly did some tweaking cause my bruiser seems a bit back to normal now.  I don't know what it was but I took all green heroic mobs and what not in CT without a problem at all.  <font color="#ffcc00">I really wish they would test their crap before pushing it live and then having to sneaker net the fixes in</font>.  Oh well, as long as it's fixed... all good.</div> <div> </div> <div>As for the quests, someone pointed me to do the solo timeline stuff outlined at <a href="http://www.eq2i.com/articles/Soloing_Timeline" target="_blank">http://www.eq2i.com/articles/Soloing_Timeline</a>.  This is definitely what I was looking for since most of the stuff I was picking up was not for solo/duo play.  This will definitely help, thanks.</div><hr></blockquote>Sir,We mentioned that<font color="#ff3300"> you</font> where the only one having this issue, why is it SOEs fault.  It sounds like your just jumping on the "BASH SOE DEVS" bandwagon, which is a popular with some, but not all.    It sounds like you might have changed your playstyle so that greys no longer kill you.  Congrats you win!</div>

[shok]

I'm confused on why you were trying to kill a mob 20 levels below you for AA exp..<div></div>

[LokiHellsson]

<P>I went back at it with my Bruiser/Fury duo (I dual-box them, so I cannot play the pair as well as two people could do it, when I play one toon, I can do 20-30% better than when I play two, but hey, 80% + 70% is still 150%).  </P> <P>I could kill Drovbaaz and Talonlord with the duo.  There's no way I could have solo'd either of them.  I'd be out of power/health before the mob died.  I must be doing something wrong.  </P> <P>What's your technique for solo'ing Drovbaaz?  I can get the pull down to a single mob easy enough.  I use as many knockdown's as I can to try to keep him from hitting me.  I keep eye-gash up on him carefully to reduce his offensive capability.</P> <P>I'm not making much use of my "tricky" CA's like Scared Still and Close Mind and the self-stun mit buff.  I'm fighting in Provoking Stance.  I went with Str AA line for the 96% chance to double attack and the extra DPS mod.  I also put some in STA for a chance to proc more damage.  I've got no weapons equipped.  I can't eagle-spin so I cannot kidney punch.  </P> <P>Maybe I need to respec this guy and equip weapons?  If I go with the int line, I could up my crit-hit chance and my parry skills.  I've got about 35 AA on the Brawler side and 13 on the Bruiser side.  </P> <P>My terminal CA's are about 1/2 M1 and 1/2 AD3.  My gear is Mastercrafted for the most part.  A couple of legendary pieces.  Nothing fabled.  </P> <P>I don't have the time between 7pm and 10pm CST to raid regularly and I don't know any capable guild on Oasis that's looking for a once-a-month Bruiser in their raids, so it seems like Fabled is out of the question.  I can adorn my stuff to improve my survivability, but that seems like a lot of expense for very little benefit.  For lack of anything better to do, I'm running OOB and CV in EoF at every opportunity.  Looks like some nice legendary gear drops in there and MM and MMC.  I'm working on Claymore and Peakok, not sure either will help much.  </P>

[ganjookie]

<div><blockquote><hr>LokiHellsson wrote:<div></div> <p>I went back at it with my Bruiser/Fury duo (I dual-box them, so I cannot play the pair as well as two people could do it, when I play one toon, I can do 20-30% better than when I play two, but hey, 80% + 70% is still 150%).  </p> <p>I could kill Drovbaaz and Talonlord with the duo.  There's no way I could have solo'd either of them.  I'd be out of power/health before the mob died.  I must be doing something wrong.  </p> <p>What's your technique for solo'ing Drovbaaz?  I can get the pull down to a single mob easy enough.  I use as many knockdown's as I can to try to keep him from hitting me.  I keep eye-gash up on him carefully to reduce his offensive capability.</p> <p>I'm not making much use of my "tricky" CA's like Scared Still and Close Mind and the self-stun mit buff.  I'm fighting in Provoking Stance.  I went with Str AA line for the 96% chance to double attack and the extra DPS mod.  I also put some in STA for a chance to proc more damage.  I've got no weapons equipped.  <font color="#ff6600">I can't eagle-spin so I cannot kidney punch. </font> </p> <p>Maybe I need to respec this guy and equip weapons?  If I go with the int line, I could up my crit-hit chance and my parry skills.  I've got about 35 AA on the Brawler side and 13 on the Bruiser side.  </p> <p>My terminal CA's are about 1/2 M1 and 1/2 AD3.  My gear is Mastercrafted for the most part.  A couple of legendary pieces.  Nothing fabled.  </p> <p>I don't have the time between 7pm and 10pm CST to raid regularly and I don't know any capable guild on Oasis that's looking for a once-a-month Bruiser in their raids, so it seems like Fabled is out of the question.  I can adorn my stuff to improve my survivability, but that seems like a lot of expense for very little benefit.  For lack of anything better to do, I'm running OOB and CV in EoF at every opportunity.  Looks like some nice legendary gear drops in there and MM and MMC.  I'm working on Claymore and Peakok, not sure either will help much.  </p><hr></blockquote>Do you say this cause you are duping, or because you cant knock a mob down and jump behind him quickly enough to use that CA?</div>

[DarkMirrax]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ganjookie wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LokiHellsson wrote:<BR> <P>I went back at it with my Bruiser/Fury duo (I dual-box them, so I cannot play the pair as well as two people could do it, when I play one toon, I can do 20-30% better than when I play two, but hey, 80% + 70% is still 150%).  </P> <P>I could kill Drovbaaz and Talonlord with the duo.  There's no way I could have solo'd either of them.  I'd be out of power/health before the mob died.  I must be doing something wrong.  </P> <P>What's your technique for solo'ing Drovbaaz?  I can get the pull down to a single mob easy enough.  I use as many knockdown's as I can to try to keep him from hitting me.  I keep eye-gash up on him carefully to reduce his offensive capability.</P> <P>I'm not making much use of my "tricky" CA's like Scared Still and Close Mind and the self-stun mit buff.  I'm fighting in Provoking Stance.  I went with Str AA line for the 96% chance to double attack and the extra DPS mod.  I also put some in STA for a chance to proc more damage.  I've got no weapons equipped.  <FONT color=#ff6600>I can't eagle-spin so I cannot kidney punch. </FONT> </P> <P>Maybe I need to respec this guy and equip weapons?  If I go with the int line, I could up my crit-hit chance and my parry skills.  I've got about 35 AA on the Brawler side and 13 on the Bruiser side.  </P> <P>My terminal CA's are about 1/2 M1 and 1/2 AD3.  My gear is Mastercrafted for the most part.  A couple of legendary pieces.  Nothing fabled.  </P> <P>I don't have the time between 7pm and 10pm CST to raid regularly and I don't know any capable guild on Oasis that's looking for a once-a-month Bruiser in their raids, so it seems like Fabled is out of the question.  I can adorn my stuff to improve my survivability, but that seems like a lot of expense for very little benefit.  For lack of anything better to do, I'm running OOB and CV in EoF at every opportunity.  Looks like some nice legendary gear drops in there and MM and MMC.  I'm working on Claymore and Peakok, not sure either will help much.  </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Do you say this cause you are duping, or because you cant knock a mob down and jump behind him quickly enough to use that CA?<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>no he means he cant use eagle spin as he is weaponless , eagle spin is aa line that when fist weapons are equipt will turn the mob around allowing you to hit a nice kidney punch before the mob faces you again works really well just dont do it in raids or the assassins start crying when there decap doesnt hit lol <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P></DIV>

[LokiHellsson]

With my Assassin or Ranger, I can cheapshot and run through the mob and back-strike him.  I haven't been able to get this to work with my Bruiser, but I haven't tried real hard, I guess it's because my initial AA line was INT and Eagle Spin worked really really nice for turning the mob around and Kidney punching it so it never occured to me that I could run through a knocked-down/stunned mob.  I'll try it, but I'm not optomistic, given that LU20-whatever reduced duration on our stun's and knockdowns.  Maybe I can mez the mob and run through/behind it to kidney punch it.  I just bought the T7 M1 for Scared Witless, maybe that'll help.

[chOgg]

<div></div>You can definitely kidney punch with just your normal knockdowns.  Either one will work, though it is easier with haymaker.  Remember you only have to be flanking him, so just turn a tad off-center so you are not quite facing him, hit your stun, wait for it to connect, hit your kidney punch, and while the kidney punch timer is going, run next to him (its only like 2 steps).  When it lands, back up to your original position (unless you are doing this at the beginning to actually turn the mob, which I sometimes do).Thoral, 70 Bruiser, Mistmoore <div></div>

[Gungo]

<P>Eagle strike > then running lol</P> <P>Seriously that AA spoils me, but it sure does [Removed for Content] off the scouts =P.  Under my new setup i got eagle strike at rank 5. </P> <P>4/5/8/8 Int and Sta.  Really the final int ability doesnt provide enough bang for its buck, neither did the final wis ability (although i don't have vraskin club or a better 2 hander). The agi line altriusm does come in handy in EOF (w max in recast haste), but another brawler has that AA.</P>