Str line in EoF question...

[Grimchaos87]

I have been thinking about the uncontested avoidence plate tanks get, and the extra black pallys can get with thier AAs, and sudenly I remembered our STR line from KoS has a "outright chance to reposte melee attacks" from the front, parrying attacks from other areas... and I was wondering, is that tiered to the mob skill? or is that an uncontested avoidence? If it is uncontested it would being my uncontested avoidence up to 24%, with 2.4% of incoming attacks triggering my stoneskin proc if I chose the tanking line in the EoF AAs. With this setup we wouldn't take anywhere near our usual damage when in raids. So basicly I'm asking if that str line give uncontested, or contested avoidence.

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<div></div>That is a very good question. If it is, then I could see why they are only willing to give 12% uncontested from other sources... I hadn't even thought about that. Would be nice to get some feedback from the devs on this, as it could heavily influence Tank builds.Not sure if it would equate to exactly 24%... since it's technically two checks, 12% each. The riposte will only check if the deflection misses (deflection is checked before parry/ripostes). So you'd get full 12% on deflection, and add 12% of the remaining 88 (10.5%). That also means only 10.5% ripostes.. so only 2.1% stoneskin procs. Still better than the 0.05% or less that you'd normally get with regular parry chances.So the big question for the devs would be... are we able to get 22.5% uncontested avoidance between Master 1 Defensive Stance, and dropping 24 ranks in Strength AA line? That's still only within "matching" ranges of plate tanks, but it's a heckuva lot better than just having a scout shield.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Raidi Sovin'faile on <span class=date_text>11-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:44 AM</span>

[Grimchaos87]

exactly, I'm seriously considering this as an option for a build. I hate the str line, you lose procs, stats, and adornments, and I have 5 fabled T7 weapons already lol, but if it means I get a ton more uncontested avoidence, and my stoneskin proc will actually be noticable maybe its a sacrifice I'd be willing to make.

[deadsidedemon]

<P>I have always presumed Claw Reversal to be uncontested ... but maybe not.</P> <P>Anyway, where are you getting that 24% from?  Claw Reversal's bonus isn't that high.</P> <P> </P>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

Master 1 Defensive stance is 12% uncontested, add that to Claw Reversal. Like I said though, it's not an exact addition of %'s. Take a look at the tooltip on avoidance, adding the numbers for Base, Deflection and Parry don't add up to the given %... it's because each have their own roll, one after the other.

[deadsidedemon]

Even if Claw Reversal is uncontested, which it may or may not be, it's only 5% at rank 8.  Which is why I'm wondering where the 24% is coming from.Regardless, "chance to outright reposte" may also mean to simply skip the initial parry check.<div></div>

[Grimchaos87]

<div></div><div></div>only 5% at 8 points? its 1.5 for the first point, so I assumed it would keep going up at that rate like every other 4th rank abuility does, I've never raised it myself.  are you saying it only raises by .5 per rank after the initial 1.5?nvm, it does max out at 5%, so your still only hitting 17% or a bit less, and so only 1% of inc attacks would trigger the proc.  not nearly as nice in that case.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Grimchaos87 on <span class="date_text">11-29-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:40 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Grimchaos87 on <span class=date_text>11-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 PM</span>