Now that I have played for the past two days....

[AaronSnow]

<DIV>WOW!!!!! What happened to the class I love.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><SPAN class=time_text> <DIV>1) I feel like half the tank I used to be. Sure i don't have the one shot deaths, but I die alot faster now and more often. Now it only take 3 shots, but mobs never seem to miss now. Aggro management is still ok single mobs. Start to bring in adds, and its almost a lost cause.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Training through zones.  So many mobs have stuns now. Still can be done, but you will be flopping on face alot sooner. Try and train for a grp, good luck with that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) PvP - getting destroyed in less than 3 seconds. Used to love when a ranger would attack me. Just have to get on top of them,and they were toast. Now you cant even begin to turn before your dead. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like most, I'm LvL 70 50AA, mostly fabled and mastered, and very unhappy at the current state of my class</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></SPAN><p>Message Edited by AaronSnow on <span class=date_text>11-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:57 PM</span>

[Hau]

<DIV>You're a whiner and you're giving the bruiser class a bad name.</DIV> <DIV>Go play WoW.</DIV>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hault wrote:<BR> <DIV>You're a whiner and you're giving the bruiser class a bad name.</DIV> <DIV>Go play WoW.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT face=Garamond size=5>No, he's merely coming to the Bruiser boards to express his opinions. <EM>You're</EM> giving the Bruiser class a bad name.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=5>Go learn some manners.</FONT></P>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> annaspider wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hault wrote:<BR> <DIV>You're a whiner and you're giving the bruiser class a bad name.</DIV> <DIV>Go play WoW.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT face=Garamond size=5>No, he's merely coming to the Bruiser boards to express his opinions. <EM>You're</EM> giving the Bruiser class a bad name.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=5>Go learn some manners.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>[Removed for Content]</P> <P> </P> <P>/applauds owain again</P>

[Krokous]

well, i get hit hard yes, but biggest badass problem is that my m1 and ad3 attacks are being parried/miss and i have items with +15 atttack skill and i have to tank in offensive stance, because semi stance and def. stance are ASOLUTELY useless now, i cant hold agro because every 2nd hit doesnt land on mobs

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Krokous wrote:<BR>well, i get hit hard yes, but biggest badass problem is that my m1 and ad3 attacks are being parried/miss and i have items with +15 atttack skill and i have to tank in offensive stance, because semi stance and def. stance are ASOLUTELY useless now, i cant hold agro because every 2nd hit doesnt land on mobs<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>that cant be true im having no probs holding aggro what weaps are you using ?</P> <P> </P>

[ganjookie]

<div>Who are you?<blockquote><hr>Hault wrote:<div>You're a whiner and you're giving the bruiser class a bad name.</div> <div>Go play WoW.</div><hr></blockquote></div>

[AaronSnow]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hault wrote:<BR> <DIV>You're a whiner and you're giving the bruiser class a bad name.</DIV> <DIV>Go play WoW.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks for the informative response. BTW you even play a bruiser? If you do, then please enlighten me with how you see our class in its current state.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the me, bruiser's are supposed to be badass damage dealers who can take a punch. The most fun I've had in this game is attempting to do things that should be imposible. Best part of the game for me was, getting one or two dps friends to go dungeon crawling. We would have to use solid tactics to take stuff down, especailly without a healer.  In our current state, just not sure this is really possible now without a healer type.</DIV>

[Tasye]

<div><blockquote><hr>AaronSnow wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <span class="time_text"><div>2) Training through zones.  So many mobs have stuns now. Still can be done, but you will be flopping on face alot sooner. Try and train for a grp, good luck with that.</div> <div></div></span><hr></blockquote>I hate this addition. Trying to get from one end of <strike>Loping</strike> Limping Fields to the other is a <i>royal PITA</i>, nearly every mob has a stun of some sort. It's overdone to the extreme. But then, SOE has never ever been known for creativity in combat mechanics.</div>

[goyom]

<P>Expansion is great, combat changes SUCK.  I feel like my bruiser is wearing cloth.</P> <P>This was supposed to be an improvment right ?</P> <P>I cant solo mobs that I could solo before.</P> <P>And as for Loping Plains, perfect rename Limping Plains!</P> <P>The fact that every mob there can stun you is just [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing stupid.  </P> <P>I dont think SOE really paid attention to the beta.</P>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tasye wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AaronSnow wrote:<BR> <SPAN class=time_text><BR> <DIV>2) Training through zones.  So many mobs have stuns now. Still can be done, but you will be flopping on face alot sooner. Try and train for a grp, good luck with that.</DIV> </SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I hate this addition. Trying to get from one end of <STRIKE>Loping</STRIKE> Limping Fields to the other is a <I>royal PITA</I>, nearly every mob has a stun of some sort. It's overdone to the extreme. But then, SOE has never ever been known for creativity in combat mechanics.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Do you all ever remember to use inv totems??  I was able to go thru limping field very easy often just cuz I just went invisible. SO much easier to do it. I guess that L.F. is designed with invisible people in mind just to navigate from point A to point B..  Just need to change your navigation method sometimes. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[deadsidedemon]

<P>Training through zones has been more dangerous since TFD adventure pack - you guys try going through Forsaken City much?  It's a good thing, because the ability to train through zones isn't something that should be a highlight of what a Monk or Bruiser is.</P> <P>Anyway, we also have these things called Closed Mind and Tenacious Will that will help solve your problems.</P> <P> </P>

[Cocytus]

<DIV>I am finding the number of mobs with stuns and/or roots to be....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=7>INCREDIBLY [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ING ANNOYING</FONT></STRONG></DIV>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tasye wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AaronSnow wrote:<BR> <SPAN class=time_text><BR> <DIV>2) Training through zones.  So many mobs have stuns now. Still can be done, but you will be flopping on face alot sooner. Try and train for a grp, good luck with that.</DIV> </SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I hate this addition. Trying to get from one end of <STRIKE>Loping</STRIKE> Limping Fields to the other is a <I>royal PITA</I></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Eh ? ummmmmm use the horse stations ? whats the problem lol ?</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Tasye]

<blockquote><hr>DarkMirrax wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Tasye wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> AaronSnow wrote: <div></div> <div></div><span class="time_text"> <div>2) Training through zones.  So many mobs have stuns now. Still can be done, but you will be flopping on face alot sooner. Try and train for a grp, good luck with that.</div> <div></div></span> <hr> </blockquote>I hate this addition. Trying to get from one end of <strike>Loping</strike> Limping Fields to the other is a <i>royal PITA</i></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Eh ? ummmmmm use the horse stations ? whats the problem lol ?</p> <hr></blockquote><div></div>Do you even own the expansion? Go through <u><i><b>Loping Fields</b></i></u>  (like I said in my post, you obviously cannot read) without invis ans let me know what you think.

[Pnaxx]

Well, I see that  most of us are facing the same issues. So I really have nothin to add but that this has been a drastic change! Like night and day.

[Klyte]

<P>Ya I have to say I was trying to remain positive about the combat changes till I really got a chance to try things out.   However, the more I play the less im liking what I see.  I really feal at times as if I have not wearing armor at all.  My gear isnt fabled but it dosnt suck either its all master crafted/legendary and im adept III or master with spells.  I went from being able to tank 65^^^ no problem in sos to haveing a real tough time with level 62^^^.  For multi encounters its worse because I get hit so much more frequently.   A grp of like 5 60 heroic becomes a problem because they seem to be hitting me alot more than before.  I know they changed up mitigation but what happend to the avoidiance boost from agility i thought we were gonna get?  What I liked about bruiser was being able to train and thats even really hard to do now to and not just in the expansion where everything roots, snares ect but in places like sos.   I hope they adjust things abit and dont take months to do it.  It kinda blows tho because what I loved most about this class they nerfed really hard its not really the same class as last week.</P> <P>And no this isnt whining, Im just voicing my observations on the changes to the class I play.  And yes I can play another class if I want to as a mater of fact i have a 70 fury and 34 warlock.  And wow sucks [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] so im not going to play that lol.</P>

[swordfel]

<DIV>seems that we are gonna get a bit of our tanking ability back soon, according to lockeye's post <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=117510#M117510" target=_blank>here</A>. lets see how that works out, but from the sound of it we should be much better tanks soon.</DIV>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tasye wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkMirrax wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tasye wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AaronSnow wrote:<BR> <SPAN class=time_text><BR> <DIV>2) Training through zones.  So many mobs have stuns now. Still can be done, but you will be flopping on face alot sooner. Try and train for a grp, good luck with that.</DIV> </SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I hate this addition. Trying to get from one end of <STRIKE>Loping</STRIKE> Limping Fields to the other is a <I>royal PITA</I></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Eh ? ummmmmm use the horse stations ? whats the problem lol ?</P> <P><BR> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR> Do you even own the expansion? Go through <U><I><B>Loping Fields</B></I></U>  (like I said in my post, you obviously cannot read) without invis ans let me know what you think. <BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>oohhh handbags out huh ? yup i missread but at the same time you cant type either :smileywink:</P> <P> </P>

[Imperishab]

<DIV>I troll around on the class boards to stay up to date on the latest info.  Guys this is a problem for every single class.  If you are having the same issues with this after having 100 aa's and adornemnts then come back and complain until then go level up and get back to square one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>Imperishable-70 necro/70 carp/69 aa/20 tinker</P> <P>Heka-70 guard/70 prov/50 aa</P> <P>Nakazato-70 bruiser/50 aa</P></DIV>

[JonnyBlaaze]

<P><EM><FONT size=2>-- Guys this is a problem for every single class.  If you are having the same issues with this after having 100 aa's and adornemnts then come back and complain until then go level up and get back to square one.</FONT></EM></P> <P><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </P> <P><FONT size=2>See but why should we have to spend the next month working on AA's and abilities for skills we already had? I remember when they did this back in EQ1 with one of the expansions. It was like the week that expansion came out(forget which it was), I suddenly was nerfed to do half the damage I was already putting in. Then all new aa's came out to double my damage..  oh joy, I get to spend the next few months working to get back what I already worked to obtained during the last expansion!</FONT></P> <P><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </P>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> JonnyBlaaze wrote:<BR> <P><EM><FONT size=2>-- Guys this is a problem for every single class.  If you are having the same issues with this after having 100 aa's and adornemnts then come back and complain until then go level up and get back to square one.</FONT></EM></P> <P><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </P> <P><FONT size=2>See but why should we have to spend the next month working on AA's and abilities for skills we already had? I remember when they did this back in EQ1 with one of the expansions. It was like the week that expansion came out(forget which it was), I suddenly was nerfed to do half the damage I was already putting in. Then all new aa's came out to double my damage..  oh joy, I get to spend the next few months working to get back what I already worked to obtained during the last expansion!</FONT></P> <P><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>because its something to DO at lvl 70 lol ! what else is there other than farming instances with ease ?? hell i love this change it makes it more of a challenge again .. good work soe imo

[ganjookie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Imperishable wrote:<div>I troll around on the class boards to stay up to date on the latest info.  Guys this is a problem for every single class.  If you are having the same issues with this after having 100 aa's and adornemnts then come back and complain until then go level up and get back to square one.</div> <div> </div> <div> <p>Imperishable-70 necro/70 carp/69 aa/20 tinker</p> <p>Heka-70 guard/70 prov/50 aa</p> <p>Nakazato-70 bruiser/50 aa</p></div><hr></blockquote>actually tehre is an issue with our avoidence/deflection.  So um no your wrong. look for lockeyes post</div>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkMirrax wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> JonnyBlaaze wrote:<BR> <P><EM><FONT size=2>-- Guys this is a problem for every single class.  If you are having the same issues with this after having 100 aa's and adornemnts then come back and complain until then go level up and get back to square one.</FONT></EM></P> <P><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </P> <P><FONT size=2>See but why should we have to spend the next month working on AA's and abilities for skills we already had? I remember when they did this back in EQ1 with one of the expansions. It was like the week that expansion came out(forget which it was), I suddenly was nerfed to do half the damage I was already putting in. Then all new aa's came out to double my damage..  oh joy, I get to spend the next few months working to get back what I already worked to obtained during the last expansion!</FONT></P> <P><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>because its something to DO at lvl 70 lol</FONT> ! what else is there other than farming instances with ease ?? hell i love this change it makes it more of a challenge again .. good work soe imo<BR> <HR> <FONT face=Garamond size=5>It's more of a pain on a PvP server 'cause not only is there already plenty to do at lvl 70 (killing people) but the arms race is now reset and you HAVE to go and grind out all your AAs asap because everyone you're going to be fighting will be doing the same.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Imperishab]

<DIV> <DIV> <P>All Im saying is just about every class has something bugged atm.  Shoot my necro pet is getting 1 shotted from ae and in the patch notes it reads that pets will no have more survivalbility from raid encounter ae so every class like I said is having problems grind out your aa and wait the 1-2 months before the patches fix the problems.</P> <P>Imperishable-70 necro/70 carp/69 aa/20 tinker</P> <P>Heka-70 guard/70 prov/50 aa</P> <P>Nakazato-70 bruiser/50 aa</P></DIV></DIV>

[Schwertheiliger]

<DIV>Well, I think you shozld relax a bit. I agree with the postings about tharder bruiser life now, but you have also pay attention to the facts that there are several enhancements of capabilities with the subclass aa tree and the option to enchant your equipment. We should wait until we have boosted us up before we get angry this way.</DIV>

[lagerone]

For some strange reason I always cancel my accounts just before or after expansion packs and then return in 2-4 months.   It is a really strange behavioral trait....if only I could identify the cause..........