beyond button mashing.....

[sirmamabe]

<font face="sans-serif" size="2">OK my bruiser is not my main, but I do raid with her every once in while.  One thing I have noticed is that my dps stinks compared to guilds bruiser and monk.  Even when I get into the main bruisers group my dps is way below his. </font> <font face="sans-serif" size="2"> I do have the wyrmslayer and a variety of fabled weapons to choose from.  My gear is a mix of high end legendary and fabled.  My spells are adept 3 or master.  My AA's are currently sta 4-5-8-8 and int 4-4-8-8.  </font> <font face="sans-serif" size="2">So what am I missing?</font> <font face="sans-serif" size="2">Doloris</font> <font face="sans-serif" size="2">p.s. my main is Defiler, so if there is a "well any noob should know this" type thing please feel free to post it, you will not hurt my feelings.  This is my first tank toon ever, so it would not surprise me if I am missing something real basic.  </font><div></div>

[lagerone]

<P></P> <HR> sirmamabear wrote:<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>OK my bruiser is not my main, but I do raid with her every once in while.  One thing I have noticed is that my dps stinks compared to guilds bruiser and monk.  Even when I get into the main bruisers group my dps is way below his. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2> I do have the wyrmslayer and a variety of fabled weapons to choose from.  My gear is a mix of high end legendary and fabled.  My spells are adept 3 or master.  My AA's are currently sta 4-5-8-8 and int 4-4-8-8.  </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>So what am I missing?</FONT><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Doloris</FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>p.s. my main is Defiler, so if there is a "well any noob should know this" type thing please feel free to post it, you will not hurt my feelings.  This is my first tank toon ever, so it would not surprise me if I am missing something real basic. <BR></FONT> <BR> <HR> <P>Button mashing FTW!</P> <P>and.....</P> <OL> <LI>do you fight in Offensive Stance?</LI> <LI>4-4-8 int, sta, wis is the ideal DPS spec</LI> <LI>do you fight with our hate proc on, can cause you to get aggro, but adds to DPS</LI> <LI>do you use Knockout Combination; it's for the "Samuel L Jackson AK-47" parses</LI> <LI>are you out of auto-attack range during the fight?</LI> <LI>are any of the mobs immune to certain damage types</LI> <LI>are you in the 'DPS' group - the raid group with all the DPS and haste buffs</LI> <LI>do you mash fast enough, real mashers leave bloodstains on the keyboard :smileywink:</LI></OL> <P>Some ideas; sure there will be others.</P>

[TheSummoned]

Make sure you are actually facing the mob for the auto attack to work. Also try to time auto attack hit between your CAs (wurmy is slow). <div></div>

[Pnaxx]

Do you all try to stazy away from the mob while spells are refreshing and you have no mez or fear left? If so, what is your technique?

[chOgg]

<div><blockquote><hr>TheSummoned wrote:Make sure you are actually facing the mob for the auto attack to work. Also try to time auto attack hit between your CAs (wurmy is slow). <div></div><hr></blockquote>When trying to time your CA's between auto attacks, what do you use as your queue for when the auto attack happens?  Do you use the numbers over the mobs head, the text in your combat window, or something else?Thanks,Thoral, 57 Bruiser, Mistmoore</div>

[ganjookie]

what the hell is this autoattack people are talking about??I go into a fight use my 5 or six abilities then have to sit tehre and wait while the mob doeth pummel me...what the hell..somebody please help<div></div>

[sirmamabe]

time your autoattack?  Exactly how do you do this?Doloris<div></div>

[eyes007]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sirmamabear wrote:<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>OK my bruiser is not my main, but I do raid with her every once in while.  One thing I have noticed is that my dps stinks compared to guilds bruiser and monk.  Even when I get into the main bruisers group my dps is way below his. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2> I do have the wyrmslayer and a variety of fabled weapons to choose from.  My gear is a mix of high end legendary and fabled.  My spells are adept 3 or master.  My AA's are currently sta 4-5-8-8 and int 4-4-8-8.  </FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>So what am I missing?</FONT> <BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Doloris</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>p.s. my main is Defiler, so if there is a "well any noob should know this" type thing please feel free to post it, you will not hurt my feelings.  This is my first tank toon ever, so it would not surprise me if I am missing something real basic.  <BR></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>well, the first thing I would've suggested is did they use the str line? I'm surprised no one else mentioned it. I've seen non-uber monks dps almost as much as I do just using this line. Personally, I like a 2hand and the wisdom line, but the slow weapon gives me a perfect chance to time my attacks out so that I'm either pressing a hotbutton with another about to pop up (including AE) or Auto-attack in the 2-3 secs I don't have an ability up. I'm not a great fan of auto-attack damage as with the slow wep mine is crap (I use Hamer of the Dragonborn - not huge dps I know but it's a great tank weapon with a +5 to defence), but again, perhaps the str line? Maybe I missed something you mentioned.

[Dandeli]

<DIV>Sirmamabear, could you give us examples off top of your head of say the margin difference between you and the other bruiser? He 1300 you 700? He 900 you 800? What margin are we working with?</DIV>

[Israphil]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>sirmamabear wrote:time your autoattack?  Exactly how do you do this?Doloris<div></div><hr></blockquote>You look at the amount of time it takes your weapon to cycle, and then consider the amount of haste you have. If you have a 2 second delay weapon and 100% current haste, you will be firing autoattack every second. therefore, you want to time your CAs so that they happen between the autoattacks because they have a .5 second cast time. For example:Bruiser_01 turns on autoattack, swings his weapon, then immediately tosses out two CAs. They take .5 seconds to perform, with a .1-.2 second margin inbetween, and a .1 second delay between the autoattack registering and his actually hitting the button. therefore, by the time he has finished his 2 CAs, ~1.3 seconds has elapsed. Since his weapon is on a 2 second delay with 100% haste, it would be swinging every 1 second, except that he just spent 1.3 seconds performing CAs, during which autoattack cannot cycle. Bruiser_01 just lost .3 seconds worth of autoattack time.Bruiser_02 knows that his CAs only refresh so fast, and that he's going to have some time of CA cooldown between CA volleys, so he instead decides to perform his CAs differently. He turns on autoattack, performs his weapon attacks, then immediately tosses out one CA. It takes .5 seconds to perform, after the .1-.2 seconds he is delayed before he realizes that his autoattack has been performed. Therefore, when his CA is finished, only .7 seconds have elapsed, and his weapon is only .3 seconds from being ready to swing again. As soon as he sees the weapon swing, he fires off the second CA that Bruiser_01 fired off before, and he has lost 0 autoattack time due to poorly stacking his CAs.You may say, "big deal, what the heck difference does .3 seconds of autoattack really influence?" But if Bruiser_01 is losing .3 seconds off every autoattack volley, that means that his autoattacks are 30% less efficient than those of Bruiser_02. 30% efficiency is a big deal.</div><p>Message Edited by rckmer on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:56 PM</span>

[Dred]

<DIV>i got a question for u guys</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>im pushing about 800 dps on raids. 750 average</DIV> <DIV>im in almost full relic armor accept the head and wrists.</DIV> <DIV>i have most of my skills at master and a few still at adapt3</DIV> <DIV>as far as the jewelery im still at rares</DIV> <DIV>aa= str 488, con 448, int 43</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>should i be pushing for more dps than 750-800 or am i at about where i should be at?</DIV> <DIV>i believe that im pushing hard on my toon but is there any more that i should be able to squeese out?</DIV>

[ganjookie]

Im just waiting to hear about this magical autoattack ability I have'nt got a response on..s.o.b. bruisers trying to withhold valuable info<div></div>

[PhozFa]

<blockquote><hr>ganjookie wrote:Im just waiting to hear about this magical autoattack ability I have'nt got a response on..s.o.b. bruisers trying to withhold valuable info<div></div><hr></blockquote>They are plotting against you<div></div>

[chOgg]

<div><blockquote><hr>PhozFate wrote:<blockquote><hr>ganjookie wrote:Im just waiting to hear about this magical autoattack ability I have'nt got a response on..s.o.b. bruisers trying to withhold valuable info<div></div><hr></blockquote>They are plotting against you<div></div><hr></blockquote>Sounds like the gal dang chinese farmer bruisers found a way to attack automatically!  Cod-sarn whippersnappers.  Back in my day, we had to type /kick every tick and read the text results!Thoral, 58 Bruiser, Mistmoore</div>

[Fingle]

<blockquote><hr>rckmer wrote:<div> As soon as he sees the weapon swing, he fires off the second CA that Bruiser_01 fired off before, and he has lost 0 autoattack time due to poorly stacking his CAs.</div> <hr></blockquote>A follow up to this.  When you say you see the weapon swing are you mening this literally? or are you using orange numbers?  I didn't think the actual fight animation was that accurately tied to damage? Thanks<div></div>

[ganjookie]

<blockquote><hr>chOgg wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>PhozFate wrote:<blockquote><hr>ganjookie wrote:Im just waiting to hear about this magical autoattack ability I have'nt got a response on..s.o.b. bruisers trying to withhold valuable info<div></div><hr></blockquote>They are plotting against you<div></div><hr></blockquote>Sounds like the gal dang chinese farmer bruisers found a way to attack automatically!  Cod-sarn whippersnappers.  Back in my day, we had to type /kick every tick and read the text results!Thoral, 58 Bruiser, Mistmoore</div><hr></blockquote>back in your day snakes could kick too I bet :p<div></div>

[Israphil]

<blockquote><hr>Fingle wrote:<blockquote><hr>rckmer wrote:<div>As soon as he sees the weaponswing, he fires off the second CA that Bruiser_01 fired off before, andhe has lost 0 autoattack time due to poorly stacking his CAs.</div><hr></blockquote>A follow up to this.  When you say you see theweapon swing are you mening this literally? or are you using orangenumbers?  I didn't think the actual fight animation was thataccurately tied to damage?Thanks<div></div><hr></blockquote>The fight animation isn't...try opening a second window that only has your combat spam in it. Then you can see whenever you actually swing your weapons. When you see, "You hit a_target_01 for ### damage," you can know your autoattack just cycled, and are free to spam combat arts for however long until your weapon is set to swing again. It really comes down to being aware of the casting times of your abilities, and the delay of your weapons. If you can maximize your combat art use while minimizing the loss of autoattack due to being midcast, you are doing all you can for capitalizing on all of your potential dps. After that it's all about group setup and debuffs.

[PhozFa]

<blockquote><hr>ganjookie wrote:<blockquote><hr>chOgg wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>PhozFate wrote:<blockquote><hr>ganjookie wrote:Im just waiting to hear about this magical autoattack ability I have'nt got a response on..s.o.b. bruisers trying to withhold valuable info<div></div><hr></blockquote>They are plotting against you<div></div><hr></blockquote>Sounds like the gal dang chinese farmer bruisers found a way to attack automatically!  Cod-sarn whippersnappers.  Back in my day, we had to type /kick every tick and read the text results!Thoral, 58 Bruiser, Mistmoore</div><hr></blockquote>back in your day snakes could kick too I bet :p<div></div><hr></blockquote>I am sick and tired of all these mutha------- snakes on this mutha------- plane<div></div>