PvP Bruiser Vs. Swash: En Garde

[Salastine]

<DIV> <DIV>For those who aren't familiar, En Garde is an ability Swashbucklers get at level 65.  It has a 3 minute recast and a duration of 36 seconds.  When active, every time the Swash is parried/riposted/deflected/blocked, or himself parries/blocks, inflicts 300-400 melee damage 100% of the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For a Bruiser, who is deflecting attacks multiple times a second, means a Swash with this ability active can chew up a Bruiser in 5 seconds or less if nothing is done to stop it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have not yet found a way to stand toe-to-toe with a Swash using this ability correctly... the only way i've beaten a Swash properly using it is to fear / mez and try to run out the LONG 36 second timer before attacking again.  Stunning and trying to burn them doesn't work if they're in defensive using a shield (as they should be when fighting a Bruiser using En Garde) since it continues to proc when they block/parry.  Their DPS is simply staggering against Bruisers when it's active.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Has anyone found an effective way around this ability?  I never used to fear any class, but i am now very timid around Swashies because of this ability.</DIV></DIV>

[Owa]

<P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>I have the same trouble. I do pretty much the same as you: fear, mez and a hopeful combination of defensive stance+mitigation buff until En Garde is down. Which is bad enough 1 v 1 and even worse if there's a group.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>So I'd be interested in someone supplying a more successful tactic too.</FONT></P>

[Zigmun]

run forest run....

[RyanTSi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> annaspider wrote:<BR> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>I have the same trouble. I do pretty much the same as you: fear, mez and a hopeful combination of defensive stance+mitigation buff until En Garde is down. Which is bad enough 1 v 1 and even worse if there's a group.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>So I'd be interested in someone supplying a more successful tactic too.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>probably best off going into offensive stance, and putting up mitigation buffs...since the more you avoid the more you get hurt....but i think the best way to avoid it is just to run until the buff drops.

[neon_24]

<div></div>Offensive stance with hit and run tatics till its safe to pummel there heads in, i use ranged attacks combined with Sconic Fist + stun till that carzyness is done with then its go time.<div></div><p>Message Edited by neon_24 on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:37 PM</span>

[wayfaerer]

<div></div>I haven't encountered this before, but I've fought plenty of brigs/swash using the Lunge Reversal AA. It doesn't seem that effect me that much because I deflect the proc 5/6 times.<div></div><p>Message Edited by wayfaerer on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:02 PM</span>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salastine wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV>For those who aren't familiar, En Garde is an ability Swashbucklers get at level 65.  It has a 3 minute recast and a duration of 36 seconds.  When active, every time the Swash is parried/riposted/deflected/blocked, or himself parries/blocks, inflicts 300-400 melee damage 100% of the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For a Bruiser, who is deflecting attacks multiple times a second, means a Swash with this ability active can chew up a Bruiser in 5 seconds or less if nothing is done to stop it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have not yet found a way to stand toe-to-toe with a Swash using this ability correctly... the only way i've beaten a Swash properly using it is to fear / mez and try to run out the LONG 36 second timer before attacking again.  Stunning and trying to burn them doesn't work if they're in defensive using a shield (as they should be when fighting a Bruiser using En Garde) since it continues to proc when they block/parry.  Their DPS is simply staggering against Bruisers when it's active.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Has anyone found an effective way around this ability?  I never used to fear any class, but i am now very timid around Swashies because of this ability.</DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nope Belive me theres no way to counter it at all other than like you said fear/mez and hope its down in time , its a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] uber move and total class !!! </P> <P>i mean cmon swashies get something caled en guarde and we get crappy monk lines ;( so not fair !!!!!!!!!!!!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<P>The warrior's buckler reversal does the same thing. Only it's up permanently.</P> <P>It doesn't proc every single parry/deflect, and it says something about recasting itself every 20s... however my brother's zerker had it and saw it proc 3 times in a row sometimes. It procs off and on, but in his fights against NPCs it was going off at least every 3rd or 4th parry/block/etc.</P> <P>There's no waiting this one out though.. so you have to basically blow past it somehow.</P> <P> </P> <P>Since it's an attack though, it still needs to land to do that damage (just like a riposte). So if you have high enough avoidance, you might trigger it often, but end up avoiding them anyways.</P> <P>That might work better against the "always on" version... the swashy one would be best to wait until the buff is gone.</P> <P> </P> <P>If they wanted to "fix" the Agility line... a riposting ability like this would be a good start.</P>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raidi Sovin'faile wrote:<BR> <P>The warrior's buckler reversal does the same thing. Only it's up permanently.</P> <P>It doesn't proc every single parry/deflect, and it says something about recasting itself every 20s... however my brother's zerker had it and saw it proc 3 times in a row sometimes. It procs off and on, but in his fights against NPCs it was going off at least every 3rd or 4th parry/block/etc.</P> <P>There's no waiting this one out though.. so you have to basically blow past it somehow.</P> <P> </P> <P>Since it's an attack though, it still needs to land to do that damage (just like a riposte). So if you have high enough avoidance, you might trigger it often, but end up avoiding them anyways.</P> <P>That might work better against the "always on" version... the swashy one would be best to wait until the buff is gone.</P> <P> </P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>If they wanted to "fix" the Agility line... a riposting ability like this would be a good start.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Great idea ! 100 % parry/defection for 30 secs !!! WOOOOT we would be invinsible !!  it does suck that the swashie get such a cool move

[Owa]

<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Yeah - I don't want to turn this into a moan about Brawler AAs - but I will.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Brawler AAs are crap.</FONT></DIV>

[Xaldo]

actually if you got a move that did 100% avoid/deflection/parry you will die even faster, because as it is right now, nothing can dodge en garde counter attack.  <div></div>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkMirrax wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Great idea ! 100 % parry/defection for 30 secs !!! WOOOOT we would be invinsible !!  it does suck that the swashie get such a cool move<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Err.. no i meant an ability like the swashie's. To do riposting damage whenever you or your enemy blocks/deflects, etc. Would be thematic to the Agility line too.</P> <P>Better than freaking minimal reduction to recast times. Blah.</P>

[Israphil]

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but through using mez, fear, and our stuns, can't we basically keep the swashie [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near incapacitated for 30+ seconds?<div></div>

[Owa]

<FONT face=Garamond size=4>Well the stuns will cause the riposte damage - and that's what we're trying to avoid. Mez and Fear work though - if not resisted. Best to mez, run like a girl, fear, run like a girl, knockout combo, kick their teeth in.</FONT>

[wayfaerer]

Well we're talking about a level 65 ability. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have about a 25% or less land rate on fear and mez at 70. It's probably best to just run for it.<div></div>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> wayfaerer wrote:<BR>Well we're talking about a level 65 ability. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have about a 25% or less land rate on fear and mez at 70. It's probably best to just run for it.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Exactly , its a [Removed for Content] crime but i soooooo love that move