Bruisers are the most overpowered class in PVP in EQ2

[excellion]

High DPS? Check. High Avoidance? Check. Self Heals? Check. Taunting Abilities? Check. High HP? Check. High Resists? Check. Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check. Tons of stuns and stifles? Check. Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser. Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific). What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser. <div></div>

[baconkil]

I play a bruiser on nagafen and would agree that they are a strong pvp class but no where near the strongest. All the dps scout classes own us hands down simply cuz they have track, evac and stealth. While I can beat all scouts, except for swashies (en garde hurts...), they are much better at finding and killing prey without it escaping. When I am solo I have to hope i can kill them fast or they can just run away due to having no way to snare them or root them, if I can even find them to begin with. SImply if they aren't a caster and they don't want to fight me, I'm not going to kill them before they zone, fly or whatever.Overall I would say the strongest pvp class by far in solo situations is brigand. They have it all, from massive debuffs, snares, track... For group pvp a guardian or beserker can dominate. Beserker with their aoe taunting ability and guardian for the beating they can take while the rest of his group kills everyone. Bruiser has one 20 sec aoe taunt so it is hard, if not impossible, to lock down people.<div></div>

[Nolomite]

<DIV><EM>What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, </EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV>My response? This is the sort of post someone makes when they want to see a specific class nerfed. Simple enough.</DIV>

[Zigmun]

<P><SPAN>I guess your post count says it all. It's obvious you don't really know what you are talking about.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Swashies, Brigands, Dirges, Monks are all very very strong pvp classes.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>I won't argue that Bruisers are a strong pvp class, but overpowered - hardly.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Learn the game before making dumb posts.</SPAN></P>

[J4k]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> excellion wrote:<BR>High DPS? Check.<BR>High Avoidance? Check.<BR>Self Heals? Check.<BR>Taunting Abilities? Check.<BR>High HP? Check.<BR>High Resists? Check.<BR>Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.<BR>Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.<BR>Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.<BR><BR>What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.<BR><BR>Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).<BR><BR>What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You shoulda kept your post count at 15. i dunno about the rest of your posts but number 16 is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and pointless. PVP doesnt define this game nor has it even been around for that long. Stop trying to get things nerfed because you suck at pvp ( assuming your not a bruiser ) There are alot of other classes that can beat a bruiser especially on a pvp server compared to /dueling on normal servers.

[ganjookie]

Its Fine, go back to your reddie server, carebear<div></div>

[RustyB]

we got 3 stuns and no stifles   not including AA's    is that considered tons?

[ganjookie]

I would say a ton = 2000 stunsmaybe when the cap gets up and close to level 200 we might be close, but I doubt it<div></div>

[excellion]

Typical 13 year old E-Thug attitude...such a shame. Play a class that takes skill. <div></div>

[Owa]

<P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Bruisers are a great PvP class - just like they are a great PvE class. But in both cases they are great because they are 'jack of all trades masters of none'.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>If you want the most powerful solo class it's going to be a scout, especially Brigand. Aside from their huge DPS and ability to take decent hits, you can't overstate the importance of track, evac and stealth in solo play. You can judge the effectiveness of Scout classes by taking a look at the PvP leaderboards.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>If you want a class that really shines in group play, Guardians and Berserkers arguably have more to offer as tanks - both can keep the opposing team locked down a hell of a lot better, especially the Guardian, and the Berserkers AoE is far more powerful. Bruisers' single-target DPS is better , of course, but as you play more PvP you'll discover that group aggro and AoEs become far more important. If I were putting together an uber PvP group I'd have a Guardian tank and let my DPS come from Assassins and Warlocks. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>The OP mentioned he'd not fought a lvl 70 Bruiser; perhaps you should reserve judgement until you have seen how the classes work across all the levels - not just the ones you've experienced.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>Edit: I just reread your post to see Shadownights on your list of overpowered classes. This is ridiculous - apart from Harm Touch, Shadowknights are anything but overpowered in PvP.  I get the impression you haven't played very much and just don't generally know what you're talking about.</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>07-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:19 PM</span>

[J4k]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> excellion wrote:<BR>Typical 13 year old E-Thug attitude...such a shame.<BR><BR>Play a class that takes skill. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Typical "I suck at this game" attitude... such a shame</P> <P>Why dont you go get some skill and stop crying that you suck.</P>

[Kadon_Najena]

<DIV>Why don't you just make a Bruiser instead of complaining about them.  Your gunna get us all nerfed /cry.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Pauleh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> excellion wrote:<BR>High DPS? Check.<BR>High Avoidance? Check.<BR>Self Heals? Check.<BR>Taunting Abilities? Check.<BR>High HP? Check.<BR>High Resists? Check.<BR>Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.<BR>Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.<BR>Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.<BR><BR>What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.<BR><BR>Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).<BR><BR>What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Bruisers arnt that powerful, only if a bruiser has been twinked then its overpowered.

[Pauleh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> excellion wrote:<BR>High DPS? Check.<BR>High Avoidance? Check.<BR>Self Heals? Check.<BR>Taunting Abilities? Check.<BR>High HP? Check.<BR>High Resists? Check.<BR>Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.<BR>Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.<BR><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.</STRONG></FONT><BR><BR>What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.<BR><BR>Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).<BR><BR>What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Just seen this part, your either a idiot or you really did get owned by a bruiser, QQ more <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[TheSummoned]

Insane AoE knockbacks? <span>:smileyindifferent: Why don't you try playing the class before passing on judgement about a class you obviously don't know a lot about. A rogue can have as much taunting abilites as a bruiser... </span><div></div>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<P>Hmmm.. half the posts you've made have been in locked threads that you started. Or moved because you don't know how to post.</P> <P>So already, I'm not exactly hanging on your every word as if it's gospel.</P> <P> </P> <P>Second... what the heck are your talking about?</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>High DPS?</FONT> Others have higher. Other tanks come close or equal.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>High Avoidance?</FONT> Many properly equipped fighters are only 10-15% behind, and can have limited blocking 360 degrees with the right AAs (actually many folks can get that with AA... hell my coercer can get that).<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Self Heals?</FONT> Yeah, once every 90s, hardly the healing power of even other fighters (pallies and Sk's both have better than that).<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Taunting Abilities?</FONT> Every other tank has better taunting than us, even monks.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>High HP?</FONT> Once again, others have more than us... I've seen scouts that have just as much. Stats on items come in melee or caster, but<BR>they ALL give Stamina. Most melee folks are within 500 hp of each other unless they are specifically buffed for hitpoints. The only people were beat out in excess are mages, followed by priests. Scouts can be right behind us.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>High Resists?</FONT> What? We don't even have a wisdom buff, and with the new stat spreads on items, most of us are running around with base 20 Wisdom. Maybe you mean our 20s 3 hit absorption every 3 minutes? One dot eats through that in three ticks, then BAM Ice comet. We have decent poison resist and that's about it.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Insane AOE Knockbacks?</FONT> Please tell me where to get this ability, as I'd absolutely love it. <STRONG>IF</STRONG> we do the Wisdom AA line we get ONE ability that has a knockdown in AE form. Otherwise we have 3 knockdowns on single target. Are you getting us confused with another class?<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Tons of stuns and stifles?</FONT> We don't even have stifles. We have 3 stuns and one daze, and they are all a couple seconds long. Knockout Combo can be nasty, once in a blue moon.. but it's mainly used for DPS, and to get it's full effect, we have to drain 25-33% of our power in CAs. Once again... many other classes gets stuns, like brigands for instance... and we are hardly the ones with the most or the longest. Hell... until the update, Zerkers had as many stuns as us, and some were AoE (that lasted 7s!)<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class?</FONT> You say this isn't about "someone killing you", and yet you bring this up? Obviously you have some issues... and I'm not even sure you know which class you are upset at.</P> <P> </P> <P>Most of the things you bring up, others can do most of them better (scouts are better at most, and good enough at the rest, most fighters are better at everything except slightly in DPS and avoidance). You mention abilities we don't even have, or that others can do better. Is it even Bruisers you are are talking about here? Or a mish-mash of Monk, Bruiser, Zerker, Guardian and some scouts?</P> <P> </P> <P>I'd say actually try the class and see just how "overpowered" it is... but I don't want you touching it honestly. That, and going by your track record, I don't think you could learn anyways.</P> <P>You know... now I know what your attitude reminds me of. Smacktards from PvP focused games! It's people like you that drove my friends from WoW to EQ. What'd you do, hear that EQ had PvP and come over here? You might have a better time mouthing off to others that can appreciate this junk.</P> <P>I hate to admit it... but PvP can bring out the worst in people. I love PvP to death, and know plenty of folks that can be great to play with and against in it (in this game or any other PvP setting). But PvP seems like a giant dirty toilet that draws [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] holes like moths to a flame...</P> <P>My advice? Leave. You'll find more enjoyment playing some other game designed primarily for PvP, instead of whining about something you don't even fully understand here.</P>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSummoned wrote:<BR>Insane AoE knockbacks? <SPAN>:smileyindifferent:<BR><BR>Why don't you try playing the class before passing on judgement about a class you obviously don't know a lot about. <BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>A rogue can have as much taunting abilites as a bruiser...</FONT><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>That is so true! A Rogue that goes down the Stamina AA line has just as many taunts as we do, although minus the proc'ing one.</P> <P>And he'll have more mitigation and nearly as much avoidance as us, ha! Gotta love the Brigand that goes down Int and Stamina... he has avoidance, taunts, and can FD (while also avoiding any AoE not directly targetted)... with all his other "scout only" goodies.</P>

[CosmicAcidGu]

sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser. But not only that, seems you also get owned on the forum. if your posting skills are as good as your playing skills, I'm sure any class and not just bruiser drop you like a fly. You say bruisers have tons of stuns and stifles? no stifles. and only few stuns. insane AOE knockbacks? ME WANTS! I suppose you mixed bruisers up with another class. High Resists? wow, you sure have good class knowledge. We don't have a single ability to increase our resists. But now honestly, I'm very sorry you constantly get owned in this game just because you play a class that takes skill (whichever that is). But apparently you're lacking it, otherwise you wouldn't complain. Ever noticed that bruisers can't take down healers? or any class that has evac and is not a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] player? before you start stupid posts on the bruiser forum again, you should check if the stuff you claim is actually correct. Finni / Finnster <div></div>

[littleman17]

<DIV>I may not play PvP, and have only raised my Bruiser to level 50... I can honestly say tyat I have a good feel for the class. (granted I don't know it as good as my ranger)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If a person can survive our initial onslaught of CA... because the majority of our recast timers take forever, we are SoL. The only techs we have on a decent recast timer are the Pummel and Roundhouse line... and they both have such a wide range of dmg (from like 80-240 at level 50), that they hardly do anything at all.</DIV>

[blueduckie]

Not many classes can survive opening onslaught by a bruiser or monk really unless its a plate tank or they used emergency heal form if a healer. Assassins lvl 50+ are probably the most over powered class now if there is one with assassinate line /shiver at lvl 70 assassin. Conjuror was probably one of the most over powered in pvp til AA explosion pet nerf and removing stiffle(which is total bs). Now conjurors just blow. To say any class is over powered i disagree. Every class is more powerful at certain stages of the game from there armor type to people gaining more hp / full skill lines. For example conjurors suck high end now hell all mages really do in pvp unless a tank is in front to protect them. However in lower lvls mages can take out full groups if get the jump on them and are good. So it all depends mostly on player and when your trying to compare. SOE is constantly trying to work this out with classes in pvp it just takes time and they never fully get it right but doubt they ever will because you cant patch player skill and too many pvp'ers lack quick reaction times to properly accumlate what might be over powered.

[excellion]

What's that I hear? A bunch of angsty preteens getting angry because someone wants to nerf their class? Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like. I noticed no one even bothered to touch my comment on other overpowered classes teamed up with Bruisers, perhaps because it's true? Gasp! Also no one touched the comment about how Bruisers are only lacking ranged DPS, which is another fact. If Bruisers could range dps, why would I even see any other Freetard classes running around? Anyway, I think your mommies are calling you, time to play a class that takes skill. <div></div>

[auk]

Trying to get a class nerfed specifically is trolling. Quit with the flamebait and make some real points and you might get a real response.What comment about other overpowered classes teamed up with bruiser? and what does that have to do with the bruiser itself?And no one touched the comment about how bruisers are only lacking ranged dps, because bruiser are lacking ranged dps. What does that have to do with anything? Sounds like a pretty obvious downside to the class... not a reason to nerf them.There are plenty of comments here with useful feedback. Quit ignoring them, or go away, repost this on another board where you might get some support from other classes, because no one here will agree with you. Your posts here are flamebait, so don't expect much in return but flames.<div></div>

[swordfel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>excellion wrote:</P> <P><BR>i got owned by a bruiser. im too lazy to learn how to play my class, so instead of having to go through all that effort, i would rather have SOE nerf bruisers. that way, i will be able to kill them, even though i am not willing to put in time and effort to learn my class and find a way to beat bruisers without having them nerfed. everyone who disagrees with me is a 13 yr old who doesnt know how to play thier class. also, dont tell me that im only saying this because i got owned by a bruiser. the reason im saying this is because i was unable to defeat a bruiser in combat and was forced to flee. the fact that i escaped proves that they have very bad ranged dps. in short, nerf bruisers. oh, and while ur at it, make my class uber. remember, anyone who disagrees with me is a 13 yr old.</P> <P>(p.s. i like contradicting myself)<BR></P> <P><BR></P> <HR> <P>fix'd</P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>on another note, nobody touched on your other comments because</P> <P>1. there is no evidence supporting it here other than what you say</P> <P>2. they were stupid comments</P> <P>3. its not worth the effort</P> <P>finally, bruisers do take skill to play well, despite what you say. maybe if you actually took the time to make one and lvl it up, you would understand that. of course, if you made a bruiser, youd end up being owned by a ranger (thats me commenting on your low ranged dps argument btw), and then youd go to the ranger board and start complaining there. in closing, <U>learn to play<BR></U></P> <P>Message Edited by swordfel on <SPAN class=date_text>07-08-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>02:18 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by swordfel on <span class=date_text>07-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:18 PM</span>

[Kazzi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> J4kik wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> excellion wrote:<BR>High DPS? Check.<BR>High Avoidance? Check.<BR>Self Heals? Check.<BR>Taunting Abilities? Check.<BR>High HP? Check.<BR>High Resists? Check.<BR>Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.<BR>Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.<BR>Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.<BR><BR>What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.<BR><BR>Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).<BR><BR>What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You shoulda kept your post count at 15. i dunno about the rest of your posts but number 16 is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and pointless. PVP doesnt define this game nor has it even been around for that long. Stop trying to get things nerfed because you suck at pvp ( assuming your not a bruiser ) There are alot of other classes that can beat a bruiser especially on a pvp server compared to /dueling on normal servers.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>JAKIK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</P> <P>ok excellinub you forgot one thing after the " Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. "</P> <P>Can any class run from a Bruiser in pvp? CHECKMATE  bruisers cant finish anyone that decides to run.</P><p>Message Edited by KazziEQ on <span class=date_text>07-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:38 PM</span>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> excellion wrote:<BR>What's that I hear? A bunch of angsty preteens getting angry because someone wants to nerf their class? Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like.<BR><BR>I noticed no one even bothered to touch my comment on other overpowered classes teamed up with Bruisers, perhaps because it's true? Gasp!<BR>Also no one touched the comment about how Bruisers are only lacking ranged DPS, which is another fact. If Bruisers could range dps, why would I even see any other Freetard classes running around?<BR><BR>Anyway, I think your mommies are calling you, time to play a class that takes skill.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT face=Garamond size=4>I noticed <EM>you</EM> didn't bother to touch <EM>my</EM> comments about how Scout classes are best suited to solo PvP and Zerkers and Guardians are arguably better tanks in group PvP. Feel free to refute the points, but try to base your argument on facts not wishes.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>What level are you by the way and what class do you play? </FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4>One more thing...isn't 'freetard' kind of angsty preteen?</FONT></P>

[Rylight]

<DIV>god I've read enough, Im not even a bruiser but this junk has to stop, this is by far one of the lamest post I've read in a long time regarding a class that has to work hard for its kills.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>let me start with this</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. they have no evac,,,,,ever!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. no ranged options except a few small throwing weapons, in otherwards, any target ten feet away from them is a problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. no snare</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. no track.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5, no invis.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OVERPOWERED??? if you ever see one of these guys out in an open field you know they are not going anywhere!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>lets review....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>scouts: can see a bruiser a mile away, have invis and track, CAN TOTALLY CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO FIGHT THE BRUISER. and have evac just in case things get rough</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>mages: also have invis. some have evac, and most have snare, roots or mez. they also have range, as long as a bruiser cannot get near them they cannot be harmed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>healers:.......omg dont even get me started. the only way a bruiser could kill a healer is if the healer is perched on lucans floating castle just waiting to be kicked off. and some have invis and snares.....oh yeah,,,,and lots of lots of heals.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>fighters: wow, finally a class that can actually stand up to bruisers sometimes. considering they cant really run. cant really evac (except sk) and cant really invis (not counting monk), honestly because all fighters are pretty much non deceptive (invis track evac etc) this is the only thing that can really be considered a fair fight</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ok so who am I? I am one of the few dreadnaught sk's on nagafen server, sitting besides my best friend who is a bruiser, and I have watched him play from the get go. and what have I learned???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BRUISERS ARE A STRAIGHT FOWARD FIGHTING CLASS THAT MUST GIVE UP CRAZY UTITLIES AND SPELLS SUCH AS EVAC, TRACK, LONG CASTING TIMES, HEALS, MEZ'S, AND OVER ALL LONG RANGED WEAPONRY FOR THE ABLITITY TO JUMP STRAIGHT INTO BATTLE WEARING LITTLE ARMOR TO POUND AND CRUSH SOMEBODY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, THATS THE FREAKING POINT OF A BRAWLER CLASS!!!! <FONT color=#ff0000>THATS NOT OVERPOWERED, THATS CALLED BALANCE!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>I am an sk, I dont have seriously fast and heavy hits, I have long casting times, I do have to rely on heals, I dont have really high avoidance. but I get to wear heavy armor and cast long range, plus I get evac. honestly how can you want to nerf any class that doesnt have evac? I APPLUAD ANY BRUISER WHO IS RUNNING AROUND SOLO IN THE MIDDLE OF A ZONE, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS OF ESCAPE, AND MUST RUN UP TO ANY TARGET BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN DO ANY REAL DAMAGE </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so tell me, if a bruiser didnt have high dps, then what would the bruiser even be good for?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zigmun]

<DIV>Thanks Rylight, always nice to see someone with common sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Storm_Runner]

<P>Enh...the OP is obviously just a troll looking to start a flamewar.  Like most little fires...they go out if you don't feed them...or if you grind them underfoot.  He also obviously doesn't know his class or bruisers, or monks, or zerkers, or scouts, or SKs, or...do I really need to list all 24 classes?  It's also clear that he's the 13 year old (physically, mentally or both).  He probably got owned by a bruiser 5 levels below him who *gasp* knows how to play his class.  Of course since this happened bruisers MUST be overpowered since NOBODY should be able to beat him...EVER.  He should be able to walk up to a level 70 Bruiser and kill him by hitting one button...I mean...don't those bruisers know WHO he IS?!?!?</P> <P>Do us all a favor...sell your toon on e-bay (only fair since thats where you bought it) and go back to WOW.</P>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<P>Actually, according to a previous post the OP made elsewhere:</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>"I just started up again after a 3 month vacation, so I might not be used to <U>my constant demise at the hands of the same 45 bruiser every 2 minutes.</U>"</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>"My Templar is level 34,"</FONT></P> <P> </P> <P>So yeah... I'm pretty sure most classes will seem quite powerful if they are <EM>10 levels higher than you, and you are playing a dedicated healing class with low DPS, solo!</EM></P> <P>Whatever... I'm done.</P>

[TheSummoned]

Why can't we all just get along? Let this thread die already! <div></div>

[Geakor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> excellion wrote:<BR>High DPS? Check.<BR>High Avoidance? Check.<BR>Self Heals? Check.<BR>Taunting Abilities? Check.<BR>High HP? Check.<BR>High Resists? Check.<BR>Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.<BR>Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.<BR>Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.<BR><BR>What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.<BR><BR>Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).<BR><BR>What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>excellion must be a girl........... WHINE WHINE WHINE :smileysurprised: </P> <P>This class has this when I don't nerf them now blah blah blah RAWR I hope I have been as annoying as these flammers get off the boards if the only thing you can do is complain. Why not figure out problems insted of !#$%^^&*</P>

[Carna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rylight wrote:<BR> <DIV>god I've read enough, Im not even a bruiser but this junk has to stop, this is by far one of the lamest post I've read in a long time regarding a class that has to work hard for its kills.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I don't play a Bruiser either (nor any class except Scouts), and I agree this bollocks has to stop. Any class with more PvP ability than a wet noodle endd up with prats like the OP in their forum screaming for nerfs.</P> <P>If Bruisers are a strong, dynamic, fun class to play whether in PvP or PvE then <STRONG>good</STRONG> it means that the designers are achieving their goals for that particular class.<BR></P>

[excellion]

Wow, this is still going on? When will you tweenage e-thugs realize that your class is overpowered and the only reason you win in pvp is because of just that. Get over yourselves. <div></div>

[TheSummoned]

<blockquote><hr>excellion wrote:Wow, this is still going on? When will you tweenage e-thugs realize that your class is overpowered and the only reason you win in pvp is because of just that. Get over yourselves. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Anyone can run away from a bruiser... And stop bumping this stupid thread! (my last reply)<div></div>

[Rylight]

<P>yeah im pretty much done too, after posting logical data about the bruisers I really have nothing more to say. I've proved my point.</P> <P>and for the OP who is clearly just trying to argue for the sake of arguement considering his last post had no data, no logical explanation to anything, no rebuttle, and the fact that he used the word "tweenage" just goes to show you have no idea what you are talking about, am immature,  and am on a vent rampage because some bruiser killed you once. (this is my last post, im out)</P>

[CosmicAcidGu]

<blockquote><hr>excellion wrote:Wow, this is still going on? When will you tweenage e-thugs realize that your class is overpowered and the only reason you win in pvp is because of just that. Get over yourselves. <div></div><hr></blockquote>seems you got owned again. I'm playing a bruiser on pvp server and let me give you a little insight on how bruisers do in pvp: when soloing equally well geared chars 1vs1: - we can kill : guardians, zerkers, mages. ....but face it: anyone can kill mages. - it's even against: bruisers and monks of course. - we lose against: healers, scouts, SKs, Paladins. Healers and Paladins are outhealing our dps. Scouts either kill us or evac. SKs hit their hero button. when grouping: - plate fighters are superior because our higher dps compared to them does not play a role in group pvp. So you're claiming we are overpowered because we are the worst group pvp fighter (along with monks) and there are more classes that kill us 1vs1 than we can kill? stop being a delusioned [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. It might be time to learn your class. Finni / Finnster<div></div>

[Azzazal]

even replying to this thread is a waste of time, Why even rise to this my fellow bruisers.Some folks simply talk [Removed for Content],.........<div></div>

[subari]

I have my bruiser at 33 and i do not care about PvP, only about RP an PvE. Who plays on a PvP-Server, has to take count, that one class always is the favorite pray of an other class. Maybe you are ours? :smileytongue:

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> excellion wrote:<BR>High DPS? Check.<BR>High Avoidance? Check.<BR>Self Heals? Check.<BR>Taunting Abilities? Check.<BR>High HP? Check.<BR>High Resists? Check.<BR>Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.<BR>Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.<BR>Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.<BR><BR>What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.<BR><BR>Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).<BR><BR>What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], plain and simple. I'm not even a Bruiser and I know it is. I assume you play Brigand because you don't mention them as an overpowered FP class when they are like a bruiser with free stealth, see stealth, and evac. I play a Brigand and I will straight up tell you, Brigands are the most overpowered class in group PvP, while Bruisers are the toughest in solo PvP. The difference is, a bruiser has a tough time in group PvP because he will be taunted off and his stun immune skill will wear off, so scouts can [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] him.</P> <P> Brigands DON'T have a tough time in group PvP. They can track all stealthed scouts, evac, have 3 good stuns (2 second ranged, 4 second melee range, cheap shot, plus the 6 second root position) and they can practically kill anyone in one combo (Dispatch+Ruinous Rake+Devitalize+Doubleup is practically assassinate, but is usable every 15 mins). Not to mention offensive stance has a 30% chance to interrupt casters, which makes any caster dead the second we hit them with the ranged stun to move in closer. Brigands also get a group snare, and group invis.</P> <P>Brigands are also nearly the kings of dueling, only Bruisers, Monks, and Shadowknights (with harmtouch up) can beat us hands down. Not saying Brigands need a nerf (but in PvP, they do, lucky PvP can be altered without changing PvE), but don't go spouting off how Bruisers are the most powerful class when they clearly are not. I play Brigand on live, I don't play much on PvP but when I do I play a zerker, cause Brigands are far too easy.</P> <P> </P>

[Rendoir]

<DIV>High DPS? Check.<BR>High Avoidance? Check.<BR>Self Heals? Check.<BR>Taunting Abilities? Check.<BR>High HP? Check.<BR>High Resists? Check.<BR>Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.<BR>Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.<BR>Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.<BR><BR>What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.<BR><BR>Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>........</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0033>Hahahahahahaa, /wipes eyes... Sounds like someone got pwned by a bruiser to me.</FONT><BR><BR>What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.<BR></DIV>

[Landaros]

Hmm, strange post we got there.He makes us bruisers sound so special.High dps - if my wizzy would do as little dps as my bruiser I would have deleted him.High Avoidance - of course - its an avoidance tank/ paper tank! Anyone thats complaining here ever thought that bruisers have to gat insane AGI equipment?! Its a tank class, so STR is our primary stat.....just how would it be if a Guardian needed 500 AGI to be able to tank?Taunting ability - guess what, a bruiser is a tank (ring a bell?). High resists - lol, where shall we get high resists from? Tell me because mine are down bottom.Insane AoE/knockback - a joke compared to all wiz and scout clssesTons of stifles/ stuns - ok, how many do we have?! Someone didnt do their homeworkand the last point - whatever.Someone got fragged by a bruiser, got angry and wrote a unqualified and senseless post - excellion, you are one of those people who finish off online games. Its sad that guys like you are able to misinform a whole bunch of players - and most likely devs aswell.Btw, if you lost against a bruiser so easily in PvP - try a necro.<div></div>

[Jeffmaster]

<DIV>....................no comment.......................</DIV>

[Xibi]

<P>Having high avoidance isn't nearly as good as having high mitigation vs scouts and other tanks.   Trust me, I've played as a 60+ guard and a 60+ monk now.   I get hit pretty hard and I'm wearing some of the best armor you can get as a monk without being in a high ended raiding guild.  </P> <P>And yes, as a monk people like to run away from you too.  I've experienced that over and over so I'm sure bruisers have it the same.   And I've had trouble against good healers too.  So pretty much everything that has been said is dead on correct.</P> <P>But we do get some pretty nice perks.  Safe fall being one big one.  FD being another.   High dps.  If someone that doesn't con orange or higher without evac does choose to stand and fight, they're usually toast.</P>

[Suraklin]

<DIV>SOE adding PvP to this game was one of the dumbest things ever. If someone gripes about a class on PvP being overpowered and wants it to get nerfed it's also going to make its way over to PvE somehow when they do nerf it. You should know if you play PvP there's gonna be classes who will kick your [Removed for Content].  That's what PvP is all about you live sometimes you die sometimes.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Suraklin on <span class=date_text>07-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:52 AM</span>

[Elephant]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CosmicAcidGuru wrote:<BR>- we lose against: healers, scouts, SKs, Paladins. Healers and Paladins are outhealing our dps. Scouts either kill us or evac. SKs hit their hero button.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Don't completely agree with you here on this part...</P> <P>Healers: YES for warden and fury, NOT SURE about shamans, NO for clerics. I will own a cleric. At 56 I owned 59 cleric in SS (close fight though). Interrupts and high autoattack are your friends with clerics. In any way, I don't know how possibly you can <STRONG>loose</STRONG> a fight to any healer - if you can just fear/stun them and run away at any time when things go wrong. They can't really prevent you from running away, or hurt you while on the run.</P> <P>Scouts: never lost a yellow scout, unless I am getting jumped on and their high-damage art is not deflected... but in that case, I just run, try to restore health to full being out of combat on defensive stance, then use Butterfly totem and pwn them.</P> <P>Pally: never lost, though their heals and high mit are pain. High autoattack is your friend here. At the same time, they cannot really harm you too much.</P><p>Message Edited by Elephanton on <span class=date_text>07-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:02 AM</span>

[Pouncer74]

<DIV>pvp bruisers need a different forum....pvp is basically a completely different game than the one most of us enjoy</DIV>

[Rendoir]

No, pvp whiners need a separate forum..

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pouncer74 wrote:<BR> <DIV>pvp bruisers need a different forum....pvp is basically a completely different game than the one most of us enjoy</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT face=Garamond size=4>No, it's not. It's the same - but with added content. The same mobs, gear, spells, raids...the only difference is that it's not dull. Get a Bruiser to 70 on a PvP server and do the T7 raids before you tell us how it's completely different.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Garamond size=4></FONT> </P>

[Guil]

We're scrub in PvE, especially in raids.

[nodaisho]

note that he does not reply to any of the well thought out replies, where people ask him for comments. Have people figured out how to make a broken record type yet? seems like he will be out of a passtime if they do.

[wesblueeyes]

I have to agree sounds like bruiser envy and someone just deeply mad. Well sorry bud no nerfs for joo!<div></div>

[Firam]

I do not play a PVP bruiser (I have a ranger for that), but my main on the PVE servers since release has been a bruiser.  I'm L70, full AAs (respec'd around a few times too), and have basically the best non-raid equipment available.  I live 12 time zones away from my guild right now so the fabled stuff will have to wait a bit... although I did buy a Stonestaff of Striking on the broker for 10p, mmm.Anyway.. you have no idea about the intricacies of class dynamics if you think bruisers have the upper hand in all PVP situations.  In a one on one fight where the bruiser gets the jump on someone (i.e. doesn't give the mage or scout time to set up and get the first hits), the bruiser excels.  They do well in groups, but then again most classes also do well when grouped with the right people. =)<hr size="2" width="100%">High DPS? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">Sure.  No argument there.  Keep in mind though that this is MELEE RANGE dps only.  Also, they aren't the "highest", only "high".  If you said "highest face to face DPS" then sure, I'll go with that... who the heck does that in PVP though anyway?<hr size="2" width="100%">High Avoidance? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">As someone else mentioned, mitigation is more important than avoidance in PVP.  There are a lot of ways to get your attack rating high enough to produce a solid hit %, therefore you need to be able to defend against that by absorbing damage instead.  Unless you're in full fabled you're still walking around with mediocre leather mitigation.  This avoidance is far more useful in PVE, where bruisers really shine.<hr size="2" width="100%">Self Heals? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">A 25-40% self heal (dep on tier) every 90 seconds.  Great for PVE emergencies (I 2box a defiler however and never use my mend anymore), still decent for PVP, but only really noticable in 1on1 combat.  Get a group and play the game the way the devs intended and this means nothing.<hr size="2" width="100%">Taunting Abilities? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">This is what actually caused me to respond to this in a thread that's already probably past its peak.  This is so loaded I can't imagine why you included it other than an attempt to try to sway the opinion of morons.  Are you referring to the taunts that ALL FIGHTERS get?  Or the fact that brawlers have significantly WORSE taunting abilities than the warriors?<hr size="2" width="100%">High HP? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">Brawlers are the highest HP of the fighter classes, true.  It's that way by design.  Highest HP and lowest power pool.  However, the difference in HP is small, and when full legendary or fabled equipment sets are thrown in the mix it's basically irrelevant.  I hope the "High HP' is not comparing a fighter's HP to a different archetype.. that would be almost asinine.<hr size="2" width="100%">High Resists? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">Completely and utterly incorrect.  My PVE bruiser, in his everyday gear (which is not shabby), has horrid resists.  Bruiser WIS is abysmal (monks at least have an edge in that), and our gear is not tuned for this.  The only way to get high resists is by wearing resist gear, which is available to everyone equally.<hr size="2" width="100%">Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">AOE knockbacks?  Bruisers have a few SINGLE TARGET knockbacks, I can only think of one AOE that we have available and that requires a 2h staff and AA abilities.<hr size="2" width="100%">Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">Stuns?  Sure, more than most classes.  (3 normal CA's that stun)  Also, they were nerfed heavily in LU24.  Stifles?  Uh, we can daze you for about 2 seconds, that's about it outside of stuns.<hr size="2" width="100%">Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.<hr size="2" width="100%">I've never seen a bruiser do this to me.  I've been silly enough to engage some yellow bruisers 1on1 out in the open because I can set up some ranged attacks that'll make the fight more fair, but they usually win if they can close me.  However, that's my fault for engaging a yellow bruiser in the first place. =)  That kind of attitude that you're referring to I see a lot more in the brigands, honestly.  And really, there's no class defining factor for that.. it's all the player behind the avatar.In summary: Bruisers excel at solo or small group PVE.  I love the fact that I'm one of the classes that can solo 70 or 71^^^ on my PVE server.  (Although a lot less safely and effectively after LU24).  With my defiler duo'd I can do amazing things.  However, PVE is not PVP and what works against mindless, ineffective AI does not work against the intelligent, calculating hunter instincts in all of us.   Most of your points are only partially true, your arguments are extremely weak and designed as flame bait rather than accurately researched gripes, you have failed to consider most if not all situational factors in PVP, you are whining because you were killed by a bruiser(s) and can't hack dying on a PVP server due to some general immaturity or inferiority complex, and I'm stuck here at work and feel better now that I've said my peace.Also, have a nice day. =]<div></div>

[excellion]

Three pages? Wow, sounds like a bunch of people have been brainwashed by overpoweredness. Keep it coming though, maybe you'll get me to change my mind. <div></div>

[TheSummoned]

<blockquote><hr>excellion wrote:Three pages? Wow, sounds like a bunch of people have been brainwashed by overpoweredness. Keep it coming though, maybe you'll get me to change my mind. <div></div><hr></blockquote>You've not only been beating by a bruiser in game, but on the forums here aswell. To the rest of the bruisers, please let this thread die and stop feeding the troll.<div></div>

[rowb]

Face it boys and girls, why this thread is so long is because we all know what is coming in LU26, hope for the best but i Just dont think so , hehe Good luck

[Zigmun]

<DIV>"Face it boys and girls, why this thread is so long is because we all know what is coming in LU26, hope for the best but i Just dont think so , hehe Good luck "</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rowbra...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually if it is "coming" in LU26 it would have came in LU25...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>nice try sherlock</DIV>

[Rendoir]

I can't wait for the LU26.. AA respec to go down the miti route...

[Jeffmaster]

<P>what exactly is coming in lu26?</P> <P>....a bit off topic but if you found this in another thread could you put the link please...I didn't find it</P>

[chadawok]

<DIV>i just wanna join in...</DIV> <DIV>J00 GOT OWNED BY A BRUISA!!!!!!! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>sorry.. i'll go back to my corner</DIV>