How bad is it going to be? LU 24

[sp33r]

<DIV>My server hardly has any bruisers so im wanting to roll one up they seem fun with self heal and able to Fiegn.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Was just wondering how bad soe is knocking down thier soloability?  I primarily solo groups just dont like me i lfg on any class and cant find one so i like to solo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All im asking is how bad are they shooting us in the behind for soloing?</DIV>

[CosmicAcidGu]

it mainly affects soloing single heroic mobs of a level higher or close to yours. Finnster <div></div>

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>The nerf to our Mez is a hard hit to our soloability.   Normally we can chain stun, and do alot of damage, pop a self  heal if needed, and then mez the mob until our CA's are up again.  This allows us to solo nearly any mob.  It is very possible to keep almost any mob stunned or mezzed 90% of the fight.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   Stuns are being cut down drasticly, and so is mez.  Mez is going to be almost totally worthless, and I will probably just remove it from my hotbar.    The damage reduction to our CA's is pretty extreme also, as they are hitting the highest damage abilities we have.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   Combine all these things with  the fact that our CLaymore reward is totally broken, and nearly all T7 Brawler raid loot has been significantly nerfed lately... and you have the proof taht Sony hates us. </DIV>

[Zigmun]

<P>There are some classes that can solo better than us (conjuror/necros) and if you look at the pvp leader boards - Bruisers are not a top pvp class. (Scouts are)</P> <P>So my question is why all the Bruiser hate from the dev's?</P> <P>We are being hit from all sides:</P> <P>3 CA's damaged reduced, 1 AA damage reduced.</P> <P>Our sucker punch line kd removed and replaced with a daze</P> <P>Mezz and fear - duration reduced and put on same timer</P> <P>Stuns reduced from 4 secs to 2.5</P> <P>- that's a lot of nerfing of one class for one update.</P> <P> </P>

[familyguyfan95]

<P>Sure wizards and others can solo better.....mobs that is.  Why are scouts the leader in pvp ...simply put "tracking, the art of surprise"  </P> <P>Why do we hate the dervs.....taxation without represation.  The do somethign and dotn tell us why? how? what? Becasue?  Basically they are God with an ant farm.  </P> <P>Myself personally I DONT HATE SOE....yes i'm the only one on the board who said I DONT HATE SOE. </P> <P>I dont hate anything without knowign where they stand, and since they choose not to inform us..i cant hate them..just irritated a little.</P> <P>Yes it is alot of nerfin in one patch...i think that is the reason why most ppl are upset.  "You may take my money..my land..my freedom..but not all in the same time, for i will go mad and fight with a vengance to remove your hand from my skin." </P>

[darkauron0]

Personally i'm [Removed for Content], though i can see where they are coming from... For one to say... I solo 75% of my time if i'm not raiding, and yes, i can kill lvl 67-69 named mobs without much of a struggle (certain ones that is, many i get womped by) So it is getting me mad, BUT!! during raids i usually parse pretty high, usually right behidn our necro's and our assassin, yes, though i love the damage, it is TOO good (take into effect that only 2 of my moves arent master I) But that is high for being a "well rounded class" especially when i can tank HoF pretty easily, and out dpsing rangers, conj. brigands, and all those things.. So we are a class that can tank awesomely, and dps higher than most real dps. plus a awesome person for grouping cause if MT loses aggro, i just keep the mob stunned from hitting the "mage" (meaning any dps class) that took aggro so it doesnt die.. umm.. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!

[Kram337]

<DIV>What I gather is; this update is to give enchanters more of a purpose. I think that's what the devs are going for and I think they stated that that's their general purpose here. My feelings though is that it's not going to make the chanter a "required" class. By required I mean that in a normal xp group you want a tank and a healer, the rest is up for grabs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Chanters are handy to have around already, not only are the nice in an emergency but they give awesome regeneration rates. I honestly can't see anybody saying "crap we need a chanter cause my stuns are shorter." Maybe this would be different in raids but I wouldn't know that yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zigmun]

<P>"Myself personally I DONT HATE SOE....yes i'm the only one on the board who said I DONT HATE SOE."</P> <P>reread my post - I ddin't say I hated SOE (that would be silly wouldn't it) I said WHY all the hate from SOE.</P> <P>Maybe that is equally silly - but the fact is SOE is taking a very wide brush to our class. I could understand one nerf at a time, see how it plays out and then add more as needed. Not 5-7 nerfs in total - and then say nothing to the Bruiser community in where they ultimately want to see us as a class.</P> <P>Also I want to add one thing - I notice a lot of Bruisers with binders on, meaning just because you are lvl 70 and the change doesn't affect you doesn't mean that you forget about the other hundreds of Bruisers who are lvl 20-50 who need mezz (or liked it) for soloing. Or any of our other abilities.</P> <P>Become a class advocate for all Bruisers not just youself.</P> <P>This includes all levels and all playstyles (solo, grouping, raiding and pvp)</P> <P>Sometimes it helps if you take bigger view on things. We may not have the same raid utility as other classes, or group utility, or be able to tank as well as other classes.</P> <P>But we need dps and the ability to solo better than other classes to compensate us.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[djinnz]

<DIV>the bruiser nerfs are pathetic to me mostly because they were so predictable. eq1 monks could tank and do dps, soe takes about 4 years to decide to remove tanking from the equation and upset a huge chunk of players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>fastforward, eq 2 bruisers can tank and do dps, soe wait 2 years ish, to remove dps (or at least reduce it) from the equation and upset a smaller but still sizeable chunk of players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>there was at least some excuse in eq 1 for not seeing the potential problem, eq 2 however they have no excuse, its just simple bad planning.  i dont hate em, i just got zero respect for thier abilities to make a choice and stick with it. i honestly mean it, if they came up with a plan for each class and stuck it out id go with it, no complaints. i want to play the game thats designed by game designers not thats switched around weekly based on who whines about what</DIV>

[Gungo]

<DIV>Its not going to destroy our class, BUT <BR>Its going to be hard to solo anything over green/lowblue heroic w stun and dps nerf. <<< thats ok.</DIV> <DIV>We will have a bit harder time tanking and holding agro in groups <<< not ok</DIV> <DIV>we will not be on the top tiers dps in raids <<< thats OK</DIV> <DIV>our usefulness in raids went down w the DPS nerf <<< not ok, but can live it if they add some small changes like.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3 hit stone skin proc 1 min duration 3 min recast. Means we cna stay in aoe for a bit to do continous dps or we can pull mobs/ set off traps easier. Replace fear with this on seperate timer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Increase roughhouse proc % to counter agro issues. I would like 50% although 40% may be abit more accurate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>provide mitigation AA to counter more damage taken from Stun nerf in groups. replace defense skill AA. ~400-600miti.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>05-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:48 AM</span>

[Gungo]

<DIV>Regarding roughhousing and balance. I would think</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>100 swings, 50 for 420 hate = 21,000 hate<BR><BR>For a brusier:<BR><BR>100 swings, 25 for 540 hate = 13,500 hate                        (combined hate + damage)<BR></DIV> <DIV>so if they changed the % for bruisers from 25% to 39%. It will evenl out at about 39%. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>100 swings for monk at 50% for 420 = 21,000</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>100 swings for bruiser at 39% for 540 = 21,060</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>a bit more equal then 25% was for hate generation. Not to mention haste at 100% still gives monks a more chances to proc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>05-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:47 AM</span>