Suggested Bruiser Nerfs for LU 24

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>Ok devs, I feel my class is WAY overpowered.  Please nerf me even more so I quit the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Things you shoudl take away:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Self Heal : Totally not fair that I can heal myself... remove this ability.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Feign Death : TOtally not fair that I can survive most situation... and can train through congested areas.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Kidney Punch : totally not fair that I geta backstab like scouts do.   Remove this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Flaming Lunge: Totally not fair that I get a DoT.  I'm no mage!  Nerf this!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Eye Gash/Gouge/pluck : Totally not fair that we get debuffs!  Were way overpowered already.  Remove this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Savage Bruising: AoE attack that is FAR too powerful.  Remove this and replace with a single target attack for 50 dmg. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Knockout Combination: TOTALLY OVERPOWERED!  I can actually parse high when I use this skill.... fighters shoudl NEVER parse high.   Remove this skill, and replace with Illusion:Kerra to better balance our class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Stone Deaf: Completely unfair that we can stay in an AoE when this is up.   Remove this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Close Mind : Unfair that we can beat someone in a duel, and this skill helps that. Change this to only prevent fear spells that are lvl 20 or less.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Thats just the start.   I figure if they nerf pretty much ALL our abilities, then we have nowhere to go but up right?</DIV>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quicksilver74 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok devs, I feel my class is WAY overpowered.  Please nerf me even more so I quit the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Things you shoudl take away:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Self Heal : Totally not fair that I can heal myself... remove this ability.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Feign Death : TOtally not fair that I can survive most situation... and can train through congested areas.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Kidney Punch : totally not fair that I geta backstab like scouts do.   Remove this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Flaming Lunge: Totally not fair that I get a DoT.  I'm no mage!  Nerf this!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Eye Gash/Gouge/pluck : Totally not fair that we get debuffs!  Were way overpowered already.  Remove this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Savage Bruising: AoE attack that is FAR too powerful.  Remove this and replace with a single target attack for 50 dmg. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Knockout Combination: TOTALLY OVERPOWERED!  I can actually parse high when I use this skill.... fighters shoudl NEVER parse high.   Remove this skill, and replace with Illusion:Kerra to better balance our class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Stone Deaf: Completely unfair that we can stay in an AoE when this is up.   Remove this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Close Mind : Unfair that we can beat someone in a duel, and this skill helps that. Change this to only prevent fear spells that are lvl 20 or less.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Thats just the start.   I figure if they nerf pretty much ALL our abilities, then we have nowhere to go but up right?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT size=3>LOL. I know what you mean. I'm still waiting for someone - anyone - to tell me when was the last time we received a <EM>single</EM> positive change. And I asked that question a good while ago.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>Oh well - I'm just sticking to my belief that all this is just a way of winnowing out all the FotM Bruisers before they make us a proper class again.</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>05-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:04 AM</span>

[RustyB]

<DIV>I dunno guys   we're still owning out there   the upcoming nerfs in lu#24  are gonna hurt  but we'll still be owning i bet <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but connecting fear and mezz is just a little too much ...  still can't get over it.  those F'ers</DIV>

[Didact]

There will still be Bruisers on the rolls of many servers.  There is a fraction of folks that are hardcore RP. There is another fraction of folks that wouldn't feel they fit in with their raiding guild if they switched... The remaining folks will be ones that quit rather than switch to monk. May not be the best time to introduce an out to folks who may get frustrated with their class... .... Seriously, three weeks after this update, will the ranks of Monks and Berserkers be able to handle the influx of new characters?  (I'd say the same about rangers, but Assassins have a special identity that survives class imbalance... sorta like the mindset of early eqlive rogues). and so on... Stonegrub 67 Bruiser Ubogi 66 Templar <div></div>

[Dart]

<P>They need to make the following additonal changes.</P> <P>Mend - 15% every 5 minutes</P> <P>FD - 30% chance to succeed</P> <P>lower group dps buff to 5%</P> <P>Change our mezz to a pacify so we can use it instread of FD to travel around /rolls eyes</P> <P>Max crit chance 2%</P> <P>Make the new intercept changes by pass avoidance, because we have such awsem mit. (actually this may true) lol</P> <P>Yup that will put us in our place! Go SOE - Hey here is an idea... Instead of nerfing everyone and their step child. how about you fix the few classes that needed a boost, like Wiz's and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]... Oh thats right, it doesnt involve a time sink component. Now I get it!</P> <P> </P> <P>/belches at the decision makers on the dev team. grow some </P><p>Message Edited by Darton on <span class=date_text>05-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:37 AM</span>

[Kram337]

While they're at it, they should give us invis and then take it away.<div></div>

[familyguyfan95]

Give us a chuck norris pet...so he can do all the damage and then its the not bruisers fault...its chucks!

[Shipwreck_GPA]

<DIV>I heard that they feel that Feign Death is overpowered, and are removing the Feign part.</DIV>

[Dart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GPA_Shipwreck wrote:<BR> <DIV>I heard that they feel that Feign Death is overpowered, and are removing the Feign part.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=2>My warlock already has that skill (death) thanks but no thanks) Purple club aint got nothing on Phinny!</FONT>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GPA_Shipwreck wrote:<BR> <DIV>I heard that they feel that Feign Death is overpowered, and are removing the Feign part.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>LOL

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>and in Live Update 25, the Fae, are now the only race allowed to be bruisers.   This is to signify the weakness and girlyness of what Sony has done to the bruiser class.   All current bruisers will automatically be switched to Fae and be renamed "Tinkerbell"</DIV>

[Shipwreck_GPA]

<DIV>I heard all Gi graphics are being changed to dresses, and that Devastation Fist is being changed to Girly Slap.</DIV>

[kingfish]

One hundred hand slap is to be changed to one hundred hand tap

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kingfish wrote:<BR> One hundred hand slap is to be changed to one hundred hand tap<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT size=3>That's not true. What it is <EM>actually</EM> being changed to is One Hand Slap - in order to fit in with our new role as tier 5 DPS.</FONT>

[Jinxi]

<DIV>You guys are killing me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've got a nerf for us:  No dual wield, in fact, one arm is tied behind your back and you can't put anything in the 2nd slot at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok, you can put some peanuts in there, but hey, that's just fluff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh yeah, I'd intercept for the swashie tank on HoF but I'm afraid I'll get one shotted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jinxi</DIV>

[MakhailSamma]

<DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Fighter changes:<BR></STRONG>- Bruiser: Reducing movement speed by 55%</DIV> <DIV>- Bruiser: Removing auto attack and reducing damage to ranged attack</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm usually the one to preach about the sky not falling, but SOMETHING keeps hitting me in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing head! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For being avoidance tanks, we sure can't dodge that nerf bat each week..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV>

[Quicksilver74]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MakhailSammael wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For being avoidance tanks, we sure can't dodge that nerf bat each week..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>no kidding... preach on !!!

[Owa]

<DIV><FONT size=3>I'm pleased to see that the Bruiser lads are taking all this nerfing with a sense of humour.  The worst thing that could happen is if we ended up crying and whining and threatening to quit -  like some of the other less... <EM>bruiserly</EM> classes do when they get nerfed.</FONT></DIV>

[Kram337]

<font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">I agree with Owain. It's good to joke about the crap cause some people take it all too seriously."Your levity is good, it relieves tension and the fear of death"</font></font> <div></div>

[MakhailSamma]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> annaspider wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=3>I'm pleased to see that the Bruiser lads are taking all this nerfing with a sense of humour.  The worst thing that could happen is if we ended up crying and whining and threatening to quit -  like some of the other less... <EM>bruiserly</EM> classes do when they get nerfed.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV> <DIV> I never started my Bruiser to be uber (When I started him, Bruisers were no where near tfotm). Over time he actually became uber and I have to admit, I am going to miss being one of the best classes in the game. Though, at least this will rid us of all those fotm players, which will be nice. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> My beer is always half full.. and if its not, then I'm gonna punch someone in the face and take their half full beer. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Gungo]

<DIV><STRONG>Fighter changes:<BR></STRONG>- Bruiser: Bruising spirit line- renamed  "Bruised Ego"- </DIV> <DIV>mitigation removed and replaced with a self inflicting damage shield and the /cry emote</DIV> <DIV>- "Shrug off"- renamed "Not the Face"</DIV> <DIV>Agi removed avoid check removed- bruiser instead recieves all the damage unmitgated and /beg emote applied</DIV> <P>Actually i created my bruiser to be a monk, but screwed up ther orginal broken betrayl quest and have been a bruiser since release. It worked out for the best and have always enjoyed my class more. These changes wont destroy us, but it still hurts in places that it shouldn't hurt.</P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:10 PM</span>

[TheSummoned]

- Bruiser: Reduced the damage on sucker punch even further and renamed it Sucky Punch to better fit the new damage. - Bruiser: Because of popular demand, we're removing the Feign Death line from bruisers and replacing it with a new skill called Flower Power. The new skill will essentially try to give flowers to mobs to calm them down if you grab aggro. - Bruiser: To accomodate the recent nerfing of the bruiser class, we're giving them a new fluff ability called Pimpage. This will replace the now useless Fear and will involve a lot of bling-blings and pink suits. Just a few I thought off. <div></div>

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSummoned wrote:<BR>- Bruiser: Reduced the damage on sucker punch even further and renamed it Sucky Punch to better fit the new damage.<BR>- Bruiser: Because of popular demand, we're removing the Feign Death line from bruisers and replacing it with a new skill called Flower Power. The new skill will essentially try to give flowers to mobs to calm them down if you grab aggro.<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>- Bruiser: To accomodate the recent nerfing of the bruiser class, we're giving them a new fluff ability called Pimpage. This will replace the now useless Fear and will involve a lot of bling-blings and pink suits. <BR><BR></FONT>Just a few I thought off.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They said Nerfs [Removed for Content] Outfits i would so wear all the time compared to our other fluff spells. heck i woudl wear it all the time.

[Radigazt]

<P>Crab, you forgot one major area that needs nerfing:</P> <P>Leather Armor:  Totally unfair that we have more hit points AND better armor than mages.  </P> <P>Clearly the goal is to make Bruisers the cloth versions of the tank class, so this leather armor stuff is just overpowered!  Nerf the leather armor!</P>

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>Actually we shouldn't be allowed any armor at all.</DIV>

[TheSummoned]

We should at least be allowed to wear a silk gown! <div></div>

[Thail]

God [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. No more nerf ideas dammnit ! Even the crazy ones might go in knowing SOE. Why not just shoot our selves in the head.<div></div>

[Quicksilver74]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thail wrote:<BR>God [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. No more nerf ideas dammnit ! Even the crazy ones might go in knowing SOE. Why not just shoot our selves in the head.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Good idea!   </P> <P>Fighter Changes:</P> <P>     Brawlers gain new Ability, HEAD SHOOT : Inflicts 120% of max health in damage on caster.   </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Errie_Tholluxe]

A few ya missed :Tenacious Will : Use of this ability prevents Betrayal for 6 monthsPound : Changed to Knead and damage reduced to 'a soothing backrub' which stifles target with pleasure.Retribution : damages caster for pretending they could tankStorming Fist : Now causes damage from mental attack instead of magic, power variable depending on players degree of angstRescue : Changed to now transfer all hate to someone else. Provoking Stance : Now changed to Provoked Stance. Adds no stats but instead casts "Bewilder" causing mob to scratch head and wonder [Removed for Content] this character is trying for here, for a limited duration.Instill Panic : Line changed to now save group by causing them to flee in all directions upon noticing caster is a Bruiser.Fighting Chance : No longer causes an HO to begin, instead changed to Notachance, and gives % chance to immediatley turn caster into a Coercer, who might HAVE a chance.And finally:Knockout Combination : Changed to now totally reset character upon casting as a lvl 1 fotm on the Newbie Island.<div></div>

[Vorham]

On test Dirges are getting a new song:  "Got dem Bruiser blues".... Description: a sad "bluesy" tune, played with a harmonica, that lowers mobs AE dmg by 10%, fire damage by another 7.5% and reduces crit chance and removes ability for mob to knockdown during the duration=(<div></div>

[Ar]

<div><strong>Fighter changes:</strong>- Bruiser: New Ability <b><i>Illusion Monk</i></b>. 20 min recast. Duration 5 min. Experience the true class we want you to be, without their abilities. Autoattack only. All clothes turn                         white.- Bruiser: New Ability <b><i>Autonerf</i></b>. 3 min duration. 5 min recast. Randomly augments any Combat Art recast time by 250%, reducing its damage by 75% if applicable.                Automaticly sends /feedback command to the Dev Team encouraging those changes to be permanent.- Bruiser: New Ability <b><i>Complain</i></b>. After months of deliberation, finally its here. Other classes do it. Bruisers must undoubtebly want this ability. 30 day recast.                For 10 minutes your account will be accessed and a minimum of 3 posts will be made under YOUR name, on random boards, calling                for mercy on Bruiser's behalf. As irritating as it may be to other classes and readers of the boards, it will be compensated by granting                a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 5 proposed Bruiser nerfs by any other class board, every month. This feature includes but is NOT                limited to class changing nerfs, changes affecting the overall desirability of bruisers and changes to the role Bruiser's may or may not have in the game.                The Combat Art recquires 3 pieces of equipement to cast. Randomly selected gears from your inventory will be chosen by the game the instant the                ability is cast, with a 75% bonus chance to affect currently equiped gears. The selected gears will have their base changed to cloth, stats will be halved                and a new spell added >  Bruiser Faith: equipement cannot be repaired and self destructs when 100% damage is reached.                If the Complain ability is not used during 30 days, it will self cast as an act of good faith from the Devs.                We truely believe the those changes reflect the vision we want for the futur of Bruisers and we are looking forward to incorporate all changes proposed here in this thread in the upcoming game updates. In order to save manhours we reserve the right to incorporate these changes via the new AA abilities of the expansion or the following ones. Standby to have all your Combat Arts removed shortly and look forward to have them returned in the AA form, slowly and with new and improved (oh yes) characteristics.                 The futur never looked so bright for Bruisers and we are truely happy to share the happiness with all the community members as well as their supporters. Sunscreen recommended as well as a long chair and plenty to drink.                We continualy strive to have an open discussion with the bruiser community and are proud to have shared our vision a long time before those changes were implemented. In that regard we trust that the feedback given to us helped to blend the new changes into the current and futur playing style and helped us design a bettergame for all to enjoy.                Sincerly                Your name here</div><div></div>

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>ROFL</DIV>

[Dart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thail wrote:<BR>God [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. No more nerf ideas dammnit ! Even the crazy ones might go in knowing SOE. Why not just shoot our selves in the head.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>New CA on test : - Blammo - causes bruiser to shoot self in head. Instant death.

[kingfish]

<P>I think Beck may have said it best;</P> <P>"I'm a Bruiser, Baby.</P> <P>So why don't you nerf me."</P>

[Plague Mast]

<DIV>Hehe, too funny.</DIV>

[Gravve]

<P>OMG you guys are hillarious . You know its funny and yet its sad honestly ,  and as I sit here and laugh as I read these I think to myself , OMG stop giving them ideas !</P> <P>LOL  all I can say is , its people like you guys that keeps me comming back . :smileyhappy:  I will say this though , the day they turn us into "cannon fodder"  to take </P> <P>deathtouches from raid mobs like the rangers did in eq 1 , thats the day I will pack my bags and leave .   Heres a nerf idea btw guys -  </P> <P>Scared Still - Stuns Caster duration 25 secs Does NOT dispell when target takes damage </P> <P>not the best but hey they will think of something :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P> </P>

[Gobbwin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quicksilver74 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Actually we shouldn't be allowed any armor at all.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well we do fight barefisted, maybe they envision us fighting nakked as well...  </P> <P> </P> <P>(sry was late to the thread) =p</P> <P> </P> <P>My thoughts:<BR></P> <P>Sonic Fists: Due to how overpowering it was for a class to teleport and attack, it has been replaced by a loud whistling sound when the spell is cast.  The whistling sound comes from how bad the caster now sucks.  This will help the self esteem of all the other classes who feel inferior to Bruisers.</P> <P>Eye Pluck: Caster now pokes himself in the eye to reduce his own crush/slash/pierce/ranged attacks.  We feel that this will more properly adjust bruiser DPS by increasing their number of misses.  (debuffs that lower a mobs mitigation will no longer help compensate for reduced attack capabilities)</P> <P>Stone Deaf: Caster stops doing everything and looks around confused at everyone.  A group message is automatically spammed in all caps from the caster, asking if anyone else can hear that ringing sound.</P> <P>Safe Fall: Due to the total lack of fairness for classes that don't weigh half a ton or more (plate classes) to be able to jump off of a 4 story building and not take any damage, this skill has been removed from the game all together.  Someday we intend to add parachutes to replace this as it will be available to all classes.  Parachutes will be available 3 expansions from now.  Thank you for your patience.</P><p>Message Edited by Gobbwin on <span class=date_text>06-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:24 AM</span>