Why have so few of you taken the PvP challenge?

[Owa]

<DIV><FONT size=3>Frankly I'm surprised at how few of the famous and infamous bruisers on this board have transferred to PvP.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Bruisers are all about a decent scrap right? Well, there's plenty of that in PvP. In fact, there's <EM>all</EM> the PvE fighting PLUS all the PvP fighting. That's a lot of fighting...:smileyvery-happy:</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>It seems all I see nowadays is 'how PvP ruined my life' threads. Why don't you try it out and see how infinitely more challenging it is? I can understand poncey classes like [<FONT size=1>edited</FONT>] or [<FONT size=1>edited</FONT>] not wanting to give it a go - but Bruisers? Come on. You guys are supposed to be proper fighters.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I remember saying to Gaige that a good way to prove how good he was was not to keep posting about it but make a PvP Monk and come and prove it. He wasn't keen - but that's Monks for you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>If it's the thought of having to do all that low level crap again that's putting you off don't sweat it.  It doesn't take all that long  - I'm 60 again already, raiding T6 mobs and the PvP action means there's never a dull moment levelling up. PvP is everything you already have - but with all the best bits you've never tried. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>So come on uber-Bruisers. Show us what you're made of. (And then come and post about it so I can copy your moves...:smileywink: )</FONT></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by annaspider on <SPAN class=date_text>05-15-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:53 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class=date_text>05-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:37 AM</span>

[CosmicAcidGu]

I have 2 pvp chars and one of them is a bruiser. I just didn't change my sig and still post under the name "Finnster". Finnster <div></div>

[PhozFa]

I have a few reasons.. 1 i have friends on mistmoore. 2 I don't like that whole stun immunity idea. 3 i have a lowbie scout on naggy and it seems to be alot of bruisers.. but amybe thats just me. 3 ............ ok i ran out of excuses.. err... umm.. reasons <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[ShinmaRyche]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PhozFate wrote:<BR>... it seems to be alot of bruisers.. but amybe thats just me. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>BINGO. Not only that, people that dont know how to play them, either. I was going to play on PvP as an alt, since I only have 1 character, but I decided against it when I saw just how many bruisers there were.</FONT>

[Owa]

<P><FONT size=3>You're absolutely right. There's too [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] many of us/them.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>But can't you just make one anyway? Just for me? All your uber-bruiser PvE tips ain't helping me dammit!</FONT></P>

[Jezekie]

<div><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:Blah blah blah<hr></blockquote>What server are you on? There's not really any good Bruisers on Darathar, least not any higher level ones. It's a shame fighting them and seeing how easily they die to my wizard when I know if I had been the bruiser I'd mopped the floor with a wizzy of same level =P</div>

[CosmicAcidGu]

<blockquote><hr>Jezekiell wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:Blah blah blah<hr></blockquote>What server are you on? There's not really any good Bruisers on Darathar, least not any higher level ones. It's a shame fighting them and seeing how easily they die to my wizard when I know if I had been the bruiser I'd mopped the floor with a wizzy of same level =P</div><hr></blockquote>I'm happy about so many crappy bruisers losing in pvp out there. That way less wizards like Jezekiell will ask for a bruiser nerf <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Finnster<div></div>

[Jezekie]

<div><blockquote><hr>CosmicAcidGuru wrote:<blockquote><hr>Jezekiell wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:Blah blah blah<hr></blockquote>What server are you on? There's not really any good Bruisers on Darathar, least not any higher level ones. It's a shame fighting them and seeing how easily they die to my wizard when I know if I had been the bruiser I'd mopped the floor with a wizzy of same level =P</div><hr></blockquote>I'm happy about so many crappy bruisers losing in pvp out there. That way less wizards like Jezekiell will ask for a bruiser nerf <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Finnster<div></div><hr></blockquote>Hehe, I'd be more likely to ask for something less dull to play. Trying to level my Berserker up now on qeynos side, playing him on and off. Don't see how anyone can stand playing a mage class for prolonged periods of time, so bland. =/</div>

[TrentKillcu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jezekiell wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:Blah blah blah<hr></blockquote>What server are you on? There's not really any good Bruisers on Darathar, least not any higher level ones. It's a shame fighting them and seeing how easily they die to my wizard when I know if I had been the bruiser I'd mopped the floor with a wizzy of same level =P</div><hr></blockquote>As a brusier at level 51 i'll tell you my least favorite classes to fight 1x1 are a wizard (unless I can get in his face before i'm rooted, if so he's fukkerd) and a higher level swashie.  Ohh and Cerebral Will is great and all when it works on the right debuff/root but if the wizard happens to get that root off i'm in trouble.  Clearing the root via potions is barely an option if Cerebral Will doesn't work on it.  You're usually close to dead before it wears off anyway, then you're stunned and then if you're really unlucky and the root immunity doesn't take hold like it's supposed to, you can get rooted again!  Woot!  Swashies is a whole other situation, they pretty much just beat your [Removed for Content] and you can never attack back because they detaunt the living h3ll out of you which i think is pretty crappy to be able to do in a 1x1 fight.  Granted she was about 7-8 levels higher than me and i was 48 or 49 but h3ll, I only got to swing my weapons at him two or 3 times.  Granted this was the first time that it happened to me and I was totally caught off guard by it.  After that she didn't kill me again because I just mezzed her and ran away.  It was the only thing I could do. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Bruisers are not bad in pvp at all so don't get me wrong, we really shine in group pvp most of the cheesy stuff that other classes do to beat us in 1x1 fighting is nullified in groups very easily.1 more level until stonedeaf!</div>

[RyanTSi]

<DIV>i have a 30 bruiser on pvp, i actually havnt seen that many other bruisers around maybe there all higher level.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the other nigth was the first time i was in a huge pvp battle. there was like a 40 vs 40 pvp war in antonica it was so much fun, im on a 55 kill streak now cause of it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>there are some thigns about pvp that dirve me crazy...im not sure if its a problem with my computer or the servers, but say if someone runs from me, then theres pretty much nothing i can do...if i sprint right up to the guy i can be touching him and it just says "too far away" i even run past him while spamming CAs and "too far away" even though on my screen he looks to be in range hes really not and i have no way to tell if he is in range or where he relaly is in game to hit him....also  when theres tons of people all fighting this happens when people are just standing still....i'll just be standing on top of a guy whos not even moving spamming CAs and it just keeps saying "too far away" that really bugs the crap out of me. Also exploiting seems to be huge on pvp servers, people will do whatever they can to avoid a pvp death. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>overall im having a lot of fun alting on pvp servers but my PvE character will always be my main. </DIV>

[Aere]

 I've read this post and another one and find some of the comments a bit much.   Mostly the ones that say there are too many bruisers and they don't know how to play the class..    I find it a bit amusing because it's not all that hard a class to play.   Bruiser is not an overly difficult class to play,   certainly doesn't require one to be a brain surgeon.   I agree there are too many bruisers because of pvp and I'd like to see some reroll to other classes.   So we can get alot more balance in the game.    Not for the difficulty level,   my 6 year old daughter could play the class.  It's not all that hard to play a bruiser..      

[TheSummoned]

<blockquote><hr>Aereas wrote: I've read this post and another one and find some of the comments a bit much.   Mostly the ones that say there are too many bruisers and they don't know how to play the class..    I find it a bit amusing because it's not all that hard a class to play.   Bruiser is not an overly difficult class to play,   certainly doesn't require one to be a brain surgeon.   I agree there are too many bruisers because of pvp and I'd like to see some reroll to other classes.   So we can get alot more balance in the game.    Not for the difficulty level,   my 6 year old daughter could play the class.  It's not all that hard to play a bruiser..       <hr></blockquote>I understand why there aren't that many great bruisers around now.... They're all played by 6 year old daughters!!!<div></div>

[Jezekie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Aereas wrote: I've read this post and another one and find some of the comments a bit much.   Mostly the ones that say there are too many bruisers and they don't know how to play the class..    I find it a bit amusing because it's not all that hard a class to play.   Bruiser is not an overly difficult class to play,   certainly doesn't require one to be a brain surgeon.   I agree there are too many bruisers because of pvp and I'd like to see some reroll to other classes.   So we can get alot more balance in the game.    Not for the difficulty level,   my 6 year old daughter could play the class.  It's not all that hard to play a bruiser..     <hr></blockquote>There's a clear difference between being able to play a class (which everyone can do), and play a class well. I doubt your wonderchild can play to the level that some of the more frequent posters here on the board can, muchless at an "acceptable serious group" level as opposed to your random pickup group full of joe average players.</div>

[ganjookie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jezekiell wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Aereas wrote: I've read this post and another one and find some of the comments a bit much.   Mostly the ones that say there are too many bruisers and they don't know how to play the class..    I find it a bit amusing because it's not all that hard a class to play.   Bruiser is not an overly difficult class to play,   certainly doesn't require one to be a brain surgeon.   I agree there are too many bruisers because of pvp and I'd like to see some reroll to other classes.   So we can get alot more balance in the game.    Not for the difficulty level,   my 6 year old daughter could play the class.  It's not all that hard to play a bruiser..     <hr></blockquote><font color="#ff9999">There's a clear difference between being able to play a class (which everyone can do), and play a class well. I doubt your wonderchild can play to the level that some of the more frequent posters here on the board can, muchless at an "acceptable serious group" level as opposed to your random pickup group full of joe average players.</font></div><hr></blockquote>QFE!!</div>

[Owa]

<P><FONT size=3>I'm on Venekor - as I'd been on Lucan before I thought another RP-based server would be more familiar. Also I thought there'd be less teenage l33t d00dz. There ARE some arseholes but actually no more than on my last server - maybe less....</FONT></P><FONT size=3> <P><FONT size=3>The inability to catch people and the irritating 'not close enough' bug is a drag - but a</FONT>ll in all I think the Bruiser is a solid PvP character - though nowhere near as powerful as a lot of people seemed to imagine they would be. </P> <P>I'm only the 11th to reach 60 so far - and as I'm not exactly a power-player maybe that means a good few people stopped playing their Bruisers when they found out they weren't Superman.</P> <P>As far as I can see the most powerful PvP character at the moment is Necro/Conj. They're very difficult to beat as a solo character and they're a great addition to any group. However, as we all know, FoTM classes change, well, every month - so who knows which the next uber-PvP class will be?</P> <P>I think one of the main attractions of PvP is that you're constantly learning and adjusting your tactics rather than going through Raid #345632 one more time.  The other is that it can bind you closer to your friends and guildmates - you have to watch each other's backs and that can engender a pretty good sense of team spirit.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>

[Aere]

 After reading the reply's to my comment I have only one thing to add.   If you think it's really that difficult or involved to play a bruiser well,   please don't ever group with me.   

[PhozFa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Aereas wrote: After reading the reply's to my comment I have only one thing to add.   If you think it's really that difficult or involved to play a bruiser well,   please don't ever group with me.    <hr></blockquote>Sorry you may have looked at the post but you haven't read them. This applies to ANY class. Anyone can play a bruiser. Only a few can play them to 100% potenial. I remember pre KoS when phay was claiming he could solo all of PP execept the keeper and was able to dou him (with a non healer) when some bruisers claimed they couldn't tank it with a full group. some summoners now have been able to solo ORANGE named mobs. Does that mean ALL can? Does that mean the ones who can't don't know how to play? EDIT : If you think skill is meaningless when playing your class I'm not grouping with Aereas due to the fact you don't know the game too well <div></div><p>Message Edited by PhozFate on <span class=date_text>05-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:39 AM</span>

[Madmoon]

<P>Flame flame flame flame flame... BORING!  The bruiser board is better than this.</P> <P>Redmouser</P> <P>Bruiser, AB</P>

[MakhailSamma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Madmoon wrote:<BR> <P>Flame flame flame flame flame... BORING!  The bruiser board is better than this.</P> <P>Redmouser</P> <P>Bruiser, AB</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It is not! </P> <P> </P> <P>liar</P>

[ganjookie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Aereas wrote: After reading the reply's to my comment I have only one thing to add.   If you think it's really that difficult or involved to play a bruiser well,   please don't ever group with me.    <hr></blockquote>What is your ingame name and server so we are sure not to group with such a lackluster player?</div>

[wayfaerer]

I've been bruising up Nagafen server since the day it opened. Bruiser is a good PvP class, but it's nothing like the monster that many people believe. The mystique about Bruisers in PvP stems from the beta PvP server before the stun immunity periods were implemented. Back then, you could time your stuns in a row to completely incapacitate someone and kill them before they could fight back. That's no longer possible.Bruisers still have good survivability and good burst damage but they are nothing like the solo powerhouse that some other classes such as brigands and rangers are. The main reason for this is their inability to finish people off, and their inability to escape themselves. One on one you will still win the vast majority of your fights, but the person you are fighting will simply run away while you watch in frustration.<div></div>

[Kyro]

<P>The first 70 on Nagefen was a Bruiser</P> <P>Also runners aren't a problem provided you have Mantis Leap and Sonic Fist.   Mantis Leap right up to them, or use Sonic Fist with a well placed stun CA (you dont want to knock them farther ahead, rather behind) to catch up to them when you teleport back.</P> <P>They never implemented a knockback immunity, which is basically the same thing as a stun.  So technically you can still keep someone relatively incapacitated for a good bit.  The problem with either Ranger or Brigand is once you are within melee range of them (this is assuming you are a bruiser or monk), it's all over.  Brigands still rely on stuns which once used you are immune to, and Rangers rely on ranged attacks which are easily nuetralized.   With teleports it's not difficult at all to do this.  I don't understand how Conjuror's can even be considered difficult, the best geared ones always died in 3-4 CA spams.  Mez their pet, or fear it,  and there goes most of their damage.  With knockdown combination added to your CA damage theres no caster that will ever survive it, with the exception of a smart Warlock maybe.  Even then they'd be lucky to be above 10% health.</P> <P>Getting stunned, rooted, stifled, or mezed?  Hit up Closed Mind.  Getting hit by Ice Comet?  Hit up Stone Deaf.  There's just too many abilities and counters the Brawler class gets.  Top that off with a potential 42% master heal (which is reduced to a mere 39% in pvp), and really, what else can you possibly pack into one class?</P> <P>Mainly up to the point plate tanks start getting high 5kish ac is when the Bruiser class starts to suffer in pvp, up till then they dominate any other class. Friend of mine on the Nagafen server has that much and I could barely touch him with fabled weapons + adept 3's/masters.  That's where its going to suck to be on Qeynos side until Exile, because only a Brigand can debuff that enough to really cut through all the AC.  </P> <P>Message Edited by Kyross on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:05 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Kyross on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:06 AM</span>

[PhozFa]

<blockquote><hr>Madmoon wrote:<div></div> <p>Flame flame flame flame flame... BORING!  The bruiser board is better than this.</p> <p>Redmouser</p> <p>Bruiser, AB</p><hr></blockquote>Isn't that the purpose of forums?<div></div>

[wayfaerer]

Actually the first 70 was a Jeweler. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The first 70 adventure class was a Bruiser yes. I have sonic fist and it certainly helps somewhat, but only once or twice has it made the difference between the target escaping or the target dying. People don't tend to run at 20% life, they run at 45-50% life when they realise they're going to lose. At that point I can at best get a knockdown, stamp, thousand fist and kidney shot into them before theyre out of melee range again. A few 120 point throwing axes in the back and they're belled out of zone. I didn't mean ranger or brigand were the best 1v1 class. What I meant was they are complete packages, with evac, track, and the ability to snare at range, which are all abilities that any bruiser would kill for (especially the snare). They tend to lose to a bruiser/monk in 1v1 fights but that doesn't really matter when they can just run away or evac. A dying bruiser doesn't have that ability. <div></div>

[Owa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kyross wrote:<BR> <P>The first 70 on Nagefen was a Bruiser</P> <P>Also runners aren't a problem provided you have Mantis Leap and Sonic Fist.   Mantis Leap right up to them, or use Sonic Fist with a well placed stun CA (you dont want to knock them farther ahead, rather behind) to catch up to them when you teleport back.</P> <P>They never implemented a knockback immunity, which is basically the same thing as a stun.  So technically you can still keep someone relatively incapacitated for a good bit.  The problem with either Ranger or Brigand is once you are within melee range of them (this is assuming you are a bruiser or monk), it's all over.  Brigands still rely on stuns which once used you are immune to, and Rangers rely on ranged attacks which are easily nuetralized.   With teleports it's not difficult at all to do this.  I don't understand how Conjuror's can even be considered difficult, the best geared ones always died in 3-4 CA spams.  Mez their pet, or fear it,  and there goes most of their damage.  With knockdown combination added to your CA damage theres no caster that will ever survive it, with the exception of a smart Warlock maybe.  Even then they'd be lucky to be above 10% health.</P> <P>Getting stunned, rooted, stifled, or mezed?  Hit up Closed Mind.  Getting hit by Ice Comet?  Hit up Stone Deaf.  There's just too many abilities and counters the Brawler class gets.  Top that off with a potential 42% master heal (which is reduced to a mere 39% in pvp), and really, what else can you possibly pack into one class?</P> <P>Mainly up to the point plate tanks start getting high 5kish ac is when the Bruiser class starts to suffer in pvp, up till then they dominate any other class. Friend of mine on the Nagafen server has that much and I could barely touch him with fabled weapons + adept 3's/masters.  That's where its going to suck to be on Qeynos side until Exile, because only a Brigand can debuff that enough to really cut through all the AC.  </P> <P>Message Edited by Kyross on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:05 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Kyross on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:06 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT size=3>Seems like Nagafen has a more thriving economy than Venekor - if I could get a bunch of 'fabled weapons + adept 3's/masters' I'm sure encounters would be easier. My post is from the standpoint of someone with good to average gear - with T6 rares going for 3PP+ it's not posible for me to upgrade my spells and armour etc as I'd like. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>'The first 70 on Nagefen was a Bruiser' means only that the person who played the most on that server picked a Bruiser. If the first to 70 was a Templar it wouldbn't mean Templars were the most powerful PvP class. It would mean that someone who'd rolled a Templar was the best at getting to 70 first.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>The references to Stone Deaf and Closed mind are true though - once you get these, casters become a lot more fun - although runners remain a problem for me even with Sonic Fists - maybe because I don't have Mantis Leap?</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3></FONT> </P>

[Kyro]

<DIV>The great thing about Mantis Leap is it guarantees your next hit is a critical, good for catching up to someone then hitting them for a 1300 Kidney Punch.  Sonic Fist takes a little practice as you only get a second to knock them the right way so you can catch up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yeah not everyone is going to have fabled weapons etc etc, but then not everyones going to have 5k ac either.  Templars and Inquisitors will be a pain to kill, or near impossible once they get that ac range as well.  The reference to the first 70 was just a little Bruiser pride=)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No offense to Azuulka either, but lvl70 tradeskiller is much much easier to get than a lvl70 adventure class.  I found Axem's post on it, hum....entertaining?</DIV>

[PhozFa]

<blockquote><hr>Kyross wrote:<div>The great thing about Mantis Leap is it guarantees your next hit is a critical, good for catching up to someone then hitting them for a 1300 Kidney Punch.  Sonic Fist takes a little practice as you only get a second to knock them the right way so you can catch up.</div> <div> </div> <div>Yeah not everyone is going to have fabled weapons etc etc, but then not everyones going to have 5k ac either.  Templars and<b> Inquisitors</b> will be a pain to kill, or near impossible once they get that ac range as well.  The reference to the first 70 was just a little Bruiser pride=)</div> <div> </div> <div>No offense to Azuulka either, but lvl70 tradeskiller is much much easier to get than a lvl70 adventure class.  I found Axem's post on it, hum....entertaining?</div><hr></blockquote>Since when do bruisers have to worry about taking for inquisitors? <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>